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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/178 Thanks! 1 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,319 So warm applause to Acosta. 2 00:00:20,090 --> 00:00:20,869 Well, and 3 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:23,449 thank you for coming, and 4 00:00:23,450 --> 00:00:24,469 of course, thank you 5 00:00:24,470 --> 00:00:25,909 for 6 00:00:25,910 --> 00:00:28,159 to this organization for 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,509 being here these many 8 00:00:29,510 --> 00:00:30,469 years. 9 00:00:30,470 --> 00:00:32,719 And we dove and 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,849 invite us to to present 11 00:00:34,850 --> 00:00:37,219 our project here because 12 00:00:38,890 --> 00:00:39,739 what we have been 13 00:00:39,740 --> 00:00:42,199 working very hard dating in 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,179 the midst of the river, we are now living 15 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:46,719 under the bridge in colorful. 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,859 And after two years, 17 00:00:48,860 --> 00:00:50,599 we think that maybe we can show something 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,109 of what we are doing now. 19 00:00:52,110 --> 00:00:53,240 We are still in process 20 00:00:54,290 --> 00:00:54,949 and 21 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:57,029 where this is about 22 00:00:57,030 --> 00:00:59,509 doing colorful, 23 00:00:59,510 --> 00:01:01,849 that is by now has a very pretentious 24 00:01:01,850 --> 00:01:04,159 name. We have both capital is 25 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,739 a clean, dusty old village. 26 00:01:06,740 --> 00:01:09,329 We call it Colonia in Spanish 27 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:11,299 and the land. 28 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:13,609 And I'm playing way 29 00:01:13,610 --> 00:01:16,069 to what it means to be a colony 30 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:17,780 there in Europe. 31 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:21,920 So, well, this is 32 00:01:23,030 --> 00:01:24,739 where we spend most of the time 33 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:26,809 lately, and 34 00:01:26,810 --> 00:01:27,049 this 35 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:28,699 is a space in 36 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:29,389 and 37 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:31,789 that has been inhabited since the 15th 38 00:01:31,790 --> 00:01:34,239 century glacier in 39 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,929 the U.S.. Seventy five, there was the 40 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:37,999 year in which Franco died and 41 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,729 I was born and it was 42 00:01:40,730 --> 00:01:43,369 abandoned, not in the same year, 43 00:01:43,370 --> 00:01:45,890 and he was an 44 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,789 anchor in Catalonia. 45 00:01:49,790 --> 00:01:50,790 There has been 46 00:01:52,030 --> 00:01:54,589 not so much energy or forests 47 00:01:54,590 --> 00:01:56,099 as in other places. 48 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:58,489 And there was a long tradition 49 00:01:58,490 --> 00:02:00,199 of using the river 50 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,479 waters and for 51 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,009 powering meals. 52 00:02:04,010 --> 00:02:05,239 So this has been 53 00:02:06,470 --> 00:02:06,799 with 54 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,839 meal paper meal, 55 00:02:09,949 --> 00:02:12,159 but basically all the time, people, 56 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,359 people move for many, many 57 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,029 years and for us, it's very important to 58 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:18,949 try to leave this place in a different 59 00:02:18,950 --> 00:02:21,109 way now and with the memory 60 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:23,539 of the provision that has been 61 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:23,839 done 62 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,459 there, where 63 00:02:25,460 --> 00:02:27,589 we have a lot of more green 64 00:02:27,590 --> 00:02:29,659 than in other parts of Catalonia goes 65 00:02:29,660 --> 00:02:31,729 we are in in the creek of our 66 00:02:31,730 --> 00:02:33,949 river and we 67 00:02:33,950 --> 00:02:36,069 have some inundations to 68 00:02:36,070 --> 00:02:37,549 floating. 69 00:02:37,550 --> 00:02:39,709 So for this and we we have also 70 00:02:39,710 --> 00:02:40,710 our hydroelectric 71 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:43,579 turbines in 72 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:45,649 the place of 4.8 73 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:47,959 megawatts megawatt 74 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:48,960 megabytes. 75 00:02:50,540 --> 00:02:51,679 And then 76 00:02:54,410 --> 00:02:57,109 when word is an industrial colony, 77 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:59,569 it's a space is like a little town 78 00:02:59,570 --> 00:03:01,639 with its church, of course, 79 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:01,909 in 80 00:03:01,910 --> 00:03:04,069 school and 81 00:03:04,070 --> 00:03:06,529 it's working houses. 82 00:03:06,530 --> 00:03:08,879 These pictures of their colonies, 83 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,029 there are approximately approximately 84 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:14,149 200 colonies in Catalonia. 85 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:16,219 And now most 86 00:03:16,220 --> 00:03:18,169 of them are abandoned. 87 00:03:18,170 --> 00:03:21,649 Some are that some have been refurbished. 88 00:03:21,650 --> 00:03:24,499 Some have become luxurious 89 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:25,699 spires 90 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:26,509 and 91 00:03:26,510 --> 00:03:29,359 as a river, is very contaminated. 92 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,339 Ours was a still 93 00:03:31,340 --> 00:03:33,519 unused and they 94 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,520 have been 95 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,609 places where the isolation is 96 00:03:37,610 --> 00:03:40,009 like a town with an owner 97 00:03:40,010 --> 00:03:40,699 and 98 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:43,399 where the families had to 99 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,619 provide at least four people who 100 00:03:45,620 --> 00:03:47,939 work to be able to live there. 101 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:50,329 And it was very practical to avoid 102 00:03:50,330 --> 00:03:53,189 any kind of scene, legalism 103 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:54,190 or 104 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,319 working rights because they were very 105 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,329 isolated. The workers there. 106 00:03:59,330 --> 00:04:01,909 And so it was 107 00:04:01,910 --> 00:04:04,699 very important also during then 108 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:06,619 the Republic 109 00:04:06,620 --> 00:04:08,029 to 110 00:04:08,030 --> 00:04:10,249 a lot of owners of these places got 111 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:13,189 killed and a lot of good collectivized 112 00:04:13,190 --> 00:04:15,269 because they were very symbolic. 113 00:04:15,270 --> 00:04:16,999 And we are loaded with all this 114 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,549 symbolism. Being in Catalonia 115 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:21,768 to be a capital is 116 00:04:21,769 --> 00:04:22,769 to. 117 00:04:25,150 --> 00:04:27,249 So this is our context, and 118 00:04:27,250 --> 00:04:29,379 this is one of our of our 119 00:04:29,380 --> 00:04:31,569 members, and she's trying to clean 120 00:04:31,570 --> 00:04:33,579 up the wooden 121 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,649 mine we call it 122 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,039 when it rains and you 123 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,709 thin right now in Spain, in 124 00:04:41,710 --> 00:04:43,809 Catalonia is in the news, live in a 125 00:04:43,810 --> 00:04:45,409 very difficult moment. 126 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:47,919 And they are having more and more 127 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:48,969 education 128 00:04:48,970 --> 00:04:51,609 and there 129 00:04:51,610 --> 00:04:53,349 is less and less work. 130 00:04:53,350 --> 00:04:55,989 I don't know if you have made many 131 00:04:55,990 --> 00:04:57,879 Catalonia or Spanish lately. 132 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,259 They are coming 133 00:04:59,260 --> 00:05:00,249 over 134 00:05:00,250 --> 00:05:02,319 more often in the north 135 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,569 like we and he 136 00:05:04,570 --> 00:05:06,419 started doing before. 137 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:08,079 And there's a bigger problem with the 138 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,909 houses also, 139 00:05:09,910 --> 00:05:10,779 and 140 00:05:10,780 --> 00:05:12,639 there is all this pride of their 141 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,439 industrialization. 142 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,969 We can 143 00:05:15,970 --> 00:05:16,859 make profit. 144 00:05:16,860 --> 00:05:17,860 This is a 145 00:05:19,690 --> 00:05:21,549 lot of very interesting people in our 146 00:05:21,550 --> 00:05:22,550 place. 147 00:05:25,570 --> 00:05:27,549 Then there's this is another of the 148 00:05:27,550 --> 00:05:29,679 things that the guys have 149 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,809 helped us create colorful. 150 00:05:31,810 --> 00:05:33,879 And this is a word, and 151 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,949 the hero in the Iran is 152 00:05:35,950 --> 00:05:36,879 a. 153 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,739 I don't know if you remember about his 154 00:05:38,740 --> 00:05:41,109 case in 2008. 155 00:05:41,110 --> 00:05:43,599 He's an activist of an 156 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,429 declaraciones or de-growth 157 00:05:45,430 --> 00:05:46,589 and a 158 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,199 finance disobedient. 159 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,910 And he made the 160 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,209 video original kind of activism. 161 00:05:55,210 --> 00:05:57,699 He started asking for a lot of 162 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:00,229 credit to the banks and 163 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:01,719 created consumer companies. 164 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,129 And then they were clueless. 165 00:06:03,130 --> 00:06:05,289 McCray's kind of where one 166 00:06:05,290 --> 00:06:07,349 million euros of credit, 167 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:09,789 you use half of it to keep 168 00:06:09,790 --> 00:06:12,339 doing it that way, including 169 00:06:12,340 --> 00:06:14,199 what with the whole bowl of crates 170 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,249 anymore. 171 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:17,679 He made a 172 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,639 save some money to run 173 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,049 away. 174 00:06:23,050 --> 00:06:25,419 And then he made a really big publication 175 00:06:25,420 --> 00:06:28,479 of the Kris's paper 176 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:29,199 and 177 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,200 which is 178 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,819 we wish that we spread 179 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:36,269 all over this big conference 180 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:38,859 and I'm explaining 181 00:06:38,860 --> 00:06:41,139 why he did it, where the money comes 182 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:43,269 from. Well, everybody should do the 183 00:06:43,270 --> 00:06:44,770 same. How can you do it? 184 00:06:46,870 --> 00:06:49,179 And so he gave away 185 00:06:49,180 --> 00:06:51,399 most of the money to a lot of people. 186 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,169 This was before the war. 187 00:06:53,170 --> 00:06:55,869 We have no telephone with this money 188 00:06:55,870 --> 00:06:56,870 and 189 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,240 all this 190 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,469 affected the way the people 191 00:07:02,470 --> 00:07:03,939 said this in the bank's head. 192 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:06,039 Just before all these problems I 193 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,289 went to in Spain and now along with 194 00:07:08,290 --> 00:07:09,549 the primes. 195 00:07:09,550 --> 00:07:11,229 I don't know if you know what are the 196 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:13,719 prime brands 197 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:14,720 subprimes? 198 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,889 Is these mortgages 199 00:07:17,890 --> 00:07:20,139 prepared to take the the houses out 200 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:21,519 of the people? 201 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,679 And so this was very important 202 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,849 in the moment in Spain 203 00:07:25,850 --> 00:07:26,559 and 204 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,089 and in 205 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:29,470 not just in Catalonia. 206 00:07:31,210 --> 00:07:33,339 And this created 207 00:07:33,340 --> 00:07:35,979 a really big situation that helped 208 00:07:35,980 --> 00:07:37,719 to create the computer. 209 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,179 The event the learner, which is 210 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:42,390 the mother project of colorful 211 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:46,389 Veridian de la Catalina, 212 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:48,249 is very hard to translate in English. 213 00:07:48,250 --> 00:07:50,619 But I'm sure in German, 214 00:07:50,620 --> 00:07:52,290 one word very nice 215 00:07:53,410 --> 00:07:55,929 and integral 216 00:07:55,930 --> 00:07:58,509 for for the members of our competitive 217 00:07:58,510 --> 00:08:00,699 means like total, absolute 218 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,369 definitive 219 00:08:03,370 --> 00:08:06,279 final, let's say here. 220 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,409 And it means that they we 221 00:08:08,410 --> 00:08:10,179 want and we want to create that 222 00:08:10,180 --> 00:08:12,730 cooperative that is on the Catalonian 223 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,359 tone and 224 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,369 we want to fulfill all the needs of our 225 00:08:18,370 --> 00:08:19,089 members 226 00:08:19,090 --> 00:08:20,019 through 227 00:08:20,020 --> 00:08:22,179 solidarity, exchange 228 00:08:22,180 --> 00:08:24,399 and not exchange without 229 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,009 forgetting their government and everybody 230 00:08:27,010 --> 00:08:29,349 else except the four members 231 00:08:29,350 --> 00:08:31,120 know. And then 232 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:34,479 all kinds of new housing, 233 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,149 education, their friends, 234 00:08:37,150 --> 00:08:38,168 whatever. 235 00:08:38,169 --> 00:08:38,979 No. 236 00:08:38,980 --> 00:08:41,658 And these we can do an 237 00:08:41,659 --> 00:08:43,719 evolving series of autonomous 238 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,569 projects that 239 00:08:46,570 --> 00:08:47,559 follow some 240 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:49,899 principles and 241 00:08:49,900 --> 00:08:52,299 like assembly reason, 242 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:53,679 consensus and 243 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:57,009 the growth we 244 00:08:57,010 --> 00:08:58,239 do. 245 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,640 Who knows what the growth is? 246 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:05,319 And so I get to say it. 247 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,289 So the degree of the questions, 248 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:09,089 the 249 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:10,840 questions is a 250 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,020 way of thinking that the 251 00:09:15,410 --> 00:09:16,589 and deliberately 252 00:09:17,950 --> 00:09:18,459 and try 253 00:09:18,460 --> 00:09:20,739 to waste less resources or use 254 00:09:20,740 --> 00:09:22,329 the resources 255 00:09:22,330 --> 00:09:23,620 more and 256 00:09:25,060 --> 00:09:27,040 more intelligently and 257 00:09:28,570 --> 00:09:29,570 stop. 258 00:09:30,220 --> 00:09:32,349 But at 18 other 259 00:09:32,350 --> 00:09:34,249 countries and 260 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:36,519 try to live with local production 261 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,259 and waste less. 262 00:09:38,260 --> 00:09:40,389 So we can keep living on the planet 263 00:09:40,390 --> 00:09:42,519 longer without 264 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,620 exploiting other people now. 265 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:53,769 So this is a very important for 266 00:09:53,770 --> 00:09:55,869 the event, and that's where these cards 267 00:09:55,870 --> 00:09:58,189 Catalan because we think 268 00:09:58,190 --> 00:10:01,239 it has to be in the ambit of Catalonia. 269 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,399 Now more cooperatives are being born 270 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,619 in France and in places, but 271 00:10:05,620 --> 00:10:06,820 we don't want to have a word 272 00:10:08,220 --> 00:10:09,220 with Boeing doing this. 273 00:10:11,020 --> 00:10:13,449 And so 274 00:10:13,450 --> 00:10:15,429 we don't want to be self-sufficient, 275 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:17,619 sufficient like a world then 276 00:10:17,620 --> 00:10:20,529 or this thing go back to the garden. 277 00:10:20,530 --> 00:10:23,139 We don't want to make our own amoxicillin 278 00:10:23,140 --> 00:10:25,359 or we think a week we 279 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,049 have to use the resources we have on a 280 00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:29,379 place on a 281 00:10:29,380 --> 00:10:30,579 bank. 282 00:10:30,580 --> 00:10:32,649 And with this, we can exchange with other 283 00:10:32,650 --> 00:10:35,709 relatives and we can all 284 00:10:35,710 --> 00:10:35,949 live 285 00:10:35,950 --> 00:10:37,899 to find one. 286 00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:40,539 Does Sicily do the 287 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:41,649 one thing and another? 288 00:10:41,650 --> 00:10:43,719 And of course, we exchange 289 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:44,979 those skills? 290 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:46,889 No, and 291 00:10:46,890 --> 00:10:48,609 I would like 292 00:10:48,610 --> 00:10:50,809 we we go installé we finish it 293 00:10:50,810 --> 00:10:53,499 and then as we get fine ones over, 294 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:55,589 but we teach also these. 295 00:10:55,590 --> 00:10:56,649 And then, of course. 296 00:10:58,770 --> 00:11:00,299 People is too lazy to give you the 297 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:01,300 elements anyway. 298 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,389 And so we are doing 299 00:11:04,390 --> 00:11:06,539 the good, but it is also 300 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:09,479 very important financial infrastructure 301 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,579 because it allows us to 302 00:11:11,580 --> 00:11:13,349 have much more freedom. 303 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:15,539 And like, for example, if you have 304 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:17,489 problems with the banks where you are in 305 00:11:17,490 --> 00:11:18,490 depth 306 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:20,279 and you want, 307 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,009 give me some money, you can 308 00:11:23,010 --> 00:11:25,019 you can end it through the cooperative 309 00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:27,179 ones who are going to take it away from 310 00:11:27,180 --> 00:11:27,929 you 311 00:11:27,930 --> 00:11:28,499 or 312 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,899 you can in a tentative 313 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:32,579 currency, my currency. 314 00:11:32,580 --> 00:11:34,289 And with this money, you can buy inside 315 00:11:34,290 --> 00:11:37,049 the cooperative and there are no taxes. 316 00:11:37,050 --> 00:11:39,209 Or you can also sell things 317 00:11:39,210 --> 00:11:40,529 without lessons 318 00:11:40,530 --> 00:11:41,399 in 319 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,529 doing the members of the cooperative, 320 00:11:43,530 --> 00:11:44,849 you can sell 321 00:11:44,850 --> 00:11:45,850 and 322 00:11:46,890 --> 00:11:49,409 medicinal herbs, or 323 00:11:49,410 --> 00:11:51,869 you can sell food without 324 00:11:51,870 --> 00:11:53,689 having a proper place. 325 00:11:53,690 --> 00:11:55,499 And we build upon trust. 326 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:57,599 No, we think the people 327 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,119 can see how we make our things 328 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,549 and they trust us because 329 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:04,709 everything is proximity and 330 00:12:04,710 --> 00:12:07,019 we don't need to pay taxes 331 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:08,020 or 332 00:12:08,670 --> 00:12:09,809 bother with these people. 333 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:13,709 And also, another thing that is happening 334 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:16,049 with the government of the day is that it 335 00:12:16,050 --> 00:12:18,539 has netted to that allows 336 00:12:18,540 --> 00:12:20,189 people that are never there, never has 337 00:12:20,190 --> 00:12:22,889 been in activism to also participate 338 00:12:22,890 --> 00:12:23,999 in the organization. 339 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,849 So we get a lot of very formal people. 340 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:28,559 We have a lot of families in the 341 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:29,489 cooperative 342 00:12:29,490 --> 00:12:30,990 and not so. 343 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,429 So is in the cooperative, has many, many 344 00:12:38,430 --> 00:12:39,779 different projects. 345 00:12:39,780 --> 00:12:41,849 We are we 346 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:43,529 are going to talk about going forward. 347 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:44,530 I wanted to give you 348 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:46,780 an 349 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:50,369 insight on the different ones. 350 00:12:50,370 --> 00:12:52,259 So we have our financing cooperative 351 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:54,269 where the people that has money can 352 00:12:54,270 --> 00:12:56,429 borrow the money there and they go. 353 00:12:56,430 --> 00:12:58,679 But this financing cooperative has 354 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:00,899 an assembly that decides to give this 355 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:03,059 money to other projects and 356 00:13:03,060 --> 00:13:04,200 without the interests, 357 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,889 there is no interest in general. 358 00:13:07,890 --> 00:13:10,109 Sometimes it is a little bit for 359 00:13:10,110 --> 00:13:12,749 expenses, but almost nothing. 360 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:15,329 And then we have a cooperative 361 00:13:15,330 --> 00:13:17,399 of builders and 362 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,429 electricity installer installers. 363 00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:22,889 We have a health center, 364 00:13:22,890 --> 00:13:25,019 mostly preventive, but there's also 365 00:13:25,020 --> 00:13:26,020 a dentist 366 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:27,509 and we 367 00:13:27,510 --> 00:13:29,159 have a lot of 368 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,779 houses or little farms. 369 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:35,849 And we we 370 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:36,629 are around 371 00:13:36,630 --> 00:13:38,789 two dozen people know that 372 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:40,979 because there are these member 373 00:13:40,980 --> 00:13:43,199 of the Co-operative in, they are Catalan, 374 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,030 not the other cooperatives. 375 00:13:48,700 --> 00:13:50,499 So this is a colorful. 376 00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:53,739 We start in the 377 00:13:53,740 --> 00:13:56,599 winter there in July 2011. 378 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,869 And yeah, actually 379 00:13:58,870 --> 00:14:00,939 we started before we started the 380 00:14:00,940 --> 00:14:02,529 in November 2010. 381 00:14:02,530 --> 00:14:05,549 Where did we gather the people 382 00:14:05,550 --> 00:14:06,550 and 383 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:09,339 the money 384 00:14:09,340 --> 00:14:11,329 we needed to enter? 385 00:14:11,330 --> 00:14:13,029 And we took six months, 386 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:15,759 and 387 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,069 when we have a housing cooperative, 388 00:14:18,070 --> 00:14:20,499 we have a workspace 389 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:22,569 where we do development. 390 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:23,619 We do event 391 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:25,889 outreach 392 00:14:25,890 --> 00:14:26,469 and 393 00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:27,470 workshops. 394 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,009 We have lots of. 395 00:14:31,460 --> 00:14:34,419 Where is the strong female participation? 396 00:14:34,420 --> 00:14:37,389 It was with a female 397 00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:38,709 participation of strong 398 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:39,710 females. 399 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,879 And where 400 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,069 we come from, the 401 00:14:46,070 --> 00:14:48,199 free software movement 402 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,329 or from the squatting movement, as we 403 00:14:50,330 --> 00:14:52,429 and I do apply permaculture 404 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:54,649 design on the place, even 405 00:14:54,650 --> 00:14:56,929 if it's not the garden and you can design 406 00:14:56,930 --> 00:14:59,359 the system in a gradual 407 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,079 way. 408 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,359 And also the de-growth 409 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,729 we see again and the query 410 00:15:04,730 --> 00:15:06,979 we have some problems with this 411 00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:07,999 binary thing. 412 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,249 We we 413 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:12,849 have no idea. 414 00:15:12,850 --> 00:15:13,850 One 415 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,719 way is 416 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:18,720 clear. 417 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,359 And so the numbers 418 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,939 and they take turns 419 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:28,799 and we have 27 apartment 420 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,739 for the workers. 421 00:15:30,740 --> 00:15:33,109 Now I'm going to make you do the math. 422 00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:35,599 We are very close to Barcelona and 423 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,189 this is very important for us because, 424 00:15:37,190 --> 00:15:39,469 you know, not isolated in the middle 425 00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:41,509 of nowhere that tells people that has a 426 00:15:41,510 --> 00:15:43,579 car can go, you can go there 427 00:15:43,580 --> 00:15:44,449 without a 428 00:15:44,450 --> 00:15:47,359 car and 429 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,039 we are going to have to pay half a 430 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,259 million euros like 431 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:53,499 we do for four thousand 432 00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:55,609 a month between the 433 00:15:55,610 --> 00:15:58,069 credit and the 434 00:15:58,070 --> 00:16:00,409 lease we have with the owner that we are. 435 00:16:00,410 --> 00:16:02,599 We are in the use of 436 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,819 lease to the owner and a little money 437 00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:06,859 we gave at the start. 438 00:16:06,860 --> 00:16:09,019 Littered when compared 439 00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:10,020 to the. 440 00:16:11,420 --> 00:16:13,579 And right now we are fixing 441 00:16:13,580 --> 00:16:15,679 the 46 people 442 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,779 we look up name on 443 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:18,739 the table. 444 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:21,079 But there is such a big project 445 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,269 is very hard to say how many people is 446 00:16:23,270 --> 00:16:24,829 in there, not there. 447 00:16:24,830 --> 00:16:26,929 Some people sustain, some people comes 448 00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:29,479 in vacations and people send postcards 449 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,249 and people is arranging 450 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:32,250 an 451 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:35,739 actual contests 452 00:16:35,740 --> 00:16:36,829 and things. 453 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:39,019 We are also, of course, a bigger group 454 00:16:39,020 --> 00:16:40,609 of people, not just the people that lives 455 00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:42,739 there. We we enjoy a 456 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:44,299 bit of support. 457 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:46,399 We also give a lot of and we can give 458 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,609 a lot of support. 459 00:16:47,610 --> 00:16:49,729 Like when the houses get 460 00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:52,669 squat, we can save the stuff 461 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:53,359 and 462 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,309 we we we where we exchange. 463 00:16:58,390 --> 00:17:00,489 We are going to say in another 464 00:17:00,490 --> 00:17:01,929 and another simply 465 00:17:01,930 --> 00:17:02,409 and 466 00:17:02,410 --> 00:17:04,868 we have an assembly every week 467 00:17:04,869 --> 00:17:07,149 where and we decide the 468 00:17:07,150 --> 00:17:08,858 most of this stuff. 469 00:17:08,859 --> 00:17:10,989 And then we have this a housing 470 00:17:10,990 --> 00:17:14,289 cooperative, which is a, 471 00:17:14,290 --> 00:17:14,709 I think, 472 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:16,719 in Germany and there are similar 473 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,679 forms. 474 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,259 And so we, 475 00:17:20,260 --> 00:17:20,409 the 476 00:17:20,410 --> 00:17:22,689 cooperative owns the 477 00:17:22,690 --> 00:17:25,139 house and actually the whole, 478 00:17:25,140 --> 00:17:27,279 the whole colorful and 479 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,349 we can buy the right of use 480 00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:30,449 of the house. 481 00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:32,199 It's almost like being the owner where 482 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,359 they had some differences, for example. 483 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,609 But for us, it's really more than that. 484 00:17:36,610 --> 00:17:38,709 And this is the first house of the 485 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:40,569 people that buys it. 486 00:17:40,570 --> 00:17:42,609 So they don't have is not the weekend 487 00:17:42,610 --> 00:17:43,539 house. They live. 488 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:45,459 There is their house. 489 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:47,709 We don't want to vacation 490 00:17:47,710 --> 00:17:48,979 houses. 491 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:51,549 And you cannot leave the house empty 492 00:17:51,550 --> 00:17:52,599 if you have to. 493 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,209 If you go to whatever one year, 494 00:17:55,210 --> 00:17:57,279 you have to get somebody to use your 495 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,389 house 496 00:17:58,390 --> 00:18:00,310 somehow or otherwise, it 497 00:18:01,780 --> 00:18:02,780 is fair game. 498 00:18:04,570 --> 00:18:07,059 And the workshop space 499 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:09,369 we do more rent and 500 00:18:09,370 --> 00:18:11,199 rent based is not there. 501 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,249 You're going to buy the workshop space. 502 00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:15,369 And we said we rent 503 00:18:15,370 --> 00:18:17,409 it in a very cheap rent. 504 00:18:17,410 --> 00:18:19,510 We think it's very one square meter. 505 00:18:20,980 --> 00:18:22,989 And also, we think 506 00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:26,889 we have a law, very big 507 00:18:26,890 --> 00:18:29,019 list of things you can do and 508 00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:31,719 allow you guys to be 509 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,779 non-genetic, existing 510 00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:34,780 in our 511 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,100 big list. 512 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,289 And we 513 00:18:41,290 --> 00:18:43,779 we got the we want. 514 00:18:43,780 --> 00:18:45,919 We don't want to be alone there. 515 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,159 We we are very afraid if he 516 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,319 is fearful of this 517 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,569 isolation situation with the same 518 00:18:52,570 --> 00:18:55,869 kind of shining syndrome. 519 00:18:55,870 --> 00:18:58,299 And so we we welcome 520 00:18:58,300 --> 00:18:59,859 visitors all the time. 521 00:18:59,860 --> 00:19:01,929 And we have this policy 522 00:19:01,930 --> 00:19:03,999 that every guest because a good mother 523 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,549 that helps them introduce 524 00:19:06,550 --> 00:19:09,279 and we have a little how to also 525 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,859 offer 40 pages, 526 00:19:11,860 --> 00:19:12,220 where did you your 527 00:19:12,221 --> 00:19:13,221 game 528 00:19:13,570 --> 00:19:15,759 plan everything the garbage 529 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,159 and I'll do with the Teagan 530 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,160 and everything. 531 00:19:20,050 --> 00:19:21,759 Where to sheet everything. 532 00:19:22,820 --> 00:19:24,969 And so this is the 533 00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:26,739 space that is in 534 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:29,529 this every 535 00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:31,719 day when there is the 536 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,939 and the building of the workers. 537 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:36,009 And then we have 538 00:19:36,010 --> 00:19:37,089 this a huge 539 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:40,449 warehouse that was 540 00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:41,499 burned 541 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:43,789 in 2004 and is 542 00:19:43,790 --> 00:19:45,939 there right now is our biggest 543 00:19:45,940 --> 00:19:48,319 pain because he's still 544 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,529 suffering with the rains and everything 545 00:19:50,530 --> 00:19:52,739 is there. We don't know how 546 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:55,389 to deal with this roofing sheet. 547 00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:56,390 And then we have 548 00:19:57,700 --> 00:19:57,999 this 549 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,339 is a main building we have 550 00:20:00,340 --> 00:20:02,439 in use right now, or they've been 551 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,749 with conditions where they 552 00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:07,179 would workshop on the kitchen 553 00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:08,799 and the soldiers and they're under 554 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:09,669 it. 555 00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:11,809 Then this kind of 556 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:13,959 unfinished one with the blue tank on 557 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,059 top is the guest 558 00:20:16,060 --> 00:20:17,349 house in the summer. 559 00:20:18,490 --> 00:20:21,249 And the well, 560 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:21,579 that's 561 00:20:21,580 --> 00:20:24,219 mostly the way 562 00:20:24,220 --> 00:20:25,509 somewhere is the charge. 563 00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:27,429 We don't do anything there. 564 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:29,619 And that one 565 00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:31,209 is very bad condition. 566 00:20:31,210 --> 00:20:33,289 It looks good, but it's very bad that 567 00:20:33,290 --> 00:20:35,169 it it's 568 00:20:35,170 --> 00:20:37,239 falling from inside. 569 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,939 So we don't know 570 00:20:39,940 --> 00:20:40,940 forever. 571 00:20:41,530 --> 00:20:43,749 And there's a spigot on Sunday. 572 00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:45,429 The worse is if you want to leave it on 573 00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:47,829 the speaker desk, he would be very happy. 574 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:51,709 And yeah, where it is is more or less 575 00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:53,809 a word, colorful 576 00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:56,169 ways. There's a bigger part 577 00:20:56,170 --> 00:20:58,569 that is always a 578 00:20:58,570 --> 00:21:00,189 risk of losing. 579 00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:02,449 And so we're going to be so much there 580 00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:04,509 that we can enjoy the space and 581 00:21:04,510 --> 00:21:05,589 the animals 582 00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:07,969 do and 583 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:08,409 and 584 00:21:08,410 --> 00:21:10,599 the companies that roll their 585 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,739 ship over there on the 586 00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:12,740 river. 587 00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:14,150 And 588 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,979 so these are different images of 589 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:20,169 more modern and 590 00:21:20,170 --> 00:21:22,319 broken places here, 591 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,429 and we try to 592 00:21:24,430 --> 00:21:25,430 make them. 593 00:21:27,050 --> 00:21:29,139 We do. 594 00:21:29,140 --> 00:21:30,879 We are rebuilding, rebuilding. 595 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,739 So we have these space full of 596 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,469 rubble. 597 00:21:35,470 --> 00:21:38,739 This is when the river grows 598 00:21:38,740 --> 00:21:40,209 the canal 599 00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:41,499 and 600 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:42,500 brings a lot of 601 00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:46,609 erosion and stones on. 602 00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:49,399 And he said the 603 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,519 river is suffering a lot 604 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,619 of problems with 605 00:21:53,620 --> 00:21:56,049 the companies, Nuala 606 00:21:56,050 --> 00:21:57,139 added. 607 00:21:57,140 --> 00:21:59,509 Liver treatment companies, some paper 608 00:21:59,510 --> 00:22:01,339 paper companies. 609 00:22:01,340 --> 00:22:03,399 The company's smoking 610 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,059 of smoking paper 611 00:22:05,060 --> 00:22:06,439 and 612 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,869 has the factory kilometers 613 00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:10,309 upstream. 614 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:11,310 And 615 00:22:13,910 --> 00:22:14,869 also the 616 00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:17,509 big urbanization 617 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:19,669 happening in the whole valley 618 00:22:19,670 --> 00:22:22,339 of the river that is 50 kilometers long 619 00:22:22,340 --> 00:22:24,769 and its making is creating 620 00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:26,929 much more erosion than before, the big 621 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:29,359 says. And now what it 622 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:31,999 does? A lot of things come in the river. 623 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,189 It is not like it used 624 00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:35,190 to be. 625 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:40,769 It's all about technology and 626 00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:43,049 what we say that we want to do that 627 00:22:43,050 --> 00:22:45,209 is open grassroots development, 628 00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:47,910 resilient and sustainable technology 629 00:22:51,390 --> 00:22:54,329 because we think a technology 630 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:55,949 is not neutral 631 00:22:55,950 --> 00:22:56,669 and 632 00:22:56,670 --> 00:22:58,199 that the way 633 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,659 who is 634 00:23:00,660 --> 00:23:02,969 entitled to to develop 635 00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:05,079 the technology will also put 636 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,679 the way of thinking on how the technology 637 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,229 works now and whether you head 638 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:12,419 use for or what are the goals 639 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:13,319 for it. 640 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,179 So for us, it's very important that the 641 00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:17,729 technology development happens 642 00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:19,229 between the people that uses that 643 00:23:19,230 --> 00:23:20,579 technology. 644 00:23:20,580 --> 00:23:22,619 And so we want to create 645 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,169 a place 646 00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:27,269 where people can develop 647 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:29,419 their own their own tools 648 00:23:29,420 --> 00:23:31,589 and also that it 649 00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:32,880 is sustainable. 650 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:36,920 We have a lot of thinking of 651 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:38,579 kids 652 00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:39,580 thinking of kids 653 00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:41,729 all the time in. 654 00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:42,629 I want to move 655 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:44,309 their way that moves them 656 00:23:45,570 --> 00:23:46,439 on. 657 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,689 And in the same model, they, 658 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:50,849 for example, many times they 659 00:23:50,850 --> 00:23:53,159 have gloves, are inside a squad 660 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,989 or what we are collectives. 661 00:23:54,990 --> 00:23:57,179 I make web pages of people. 662 00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:59,369 We also cover all the 663 00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:01,139 different collectives of the 664 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:02,309 cooperatives. 665 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:04,469 Eleanor do that 666 00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:06,809 give us a set of 667 00:24:06,810 --> 00:24:08,939 problems to address and then 668 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:10,949 for us, very, very interesting. 669 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,169 And we also have relationships with 670 00:24:13,170 --> 00:24:14,309 the town 671 00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:14,849 and 672 00:24:14,850 --> 00:24:17,309 with the school and with 673 00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:19,529 whom we are creating a little 674 00:24:19,530 --> 00:24:22,459 node of the of the cooperative or trying 675 00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:24,929 to do in our immediate 676 00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:27,299 surroundings. That is the Komaki. 677 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:28,300 I know. 678 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:32,339 And we try to do 679 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:35,009 see what to do with the local resources, 680 00:24:35,010 --> 00:24:37,169 like the ones we have already heard 681 00:24:37,170 --> 00:24:38,609 where they can be used for. 682 00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:44,979 Well, this is a more or less what happens 683 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:47,169 to you if you get 684 00:24:47,170 --> 00:24:49,389 transplanted from a love to this kind 685 00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:50,559 of space now? 686 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,809 We we try to 687 00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:54,729 create an environment of learning 688 00:24:54,730 --> 00:24:56,769 fluoridation. We do. 689 00:24:56,770 --> 00:24:58,799 And is 690 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,909 it because we do know, but 691 00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:03,039 we try to organize the spaces in 692 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,929 a way that everybody can see where the 693 00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:05,259 things 694 00:25:05,260 --> 00:25:06,260 are? 695 00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:10,899 And welcome new people on the 696 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:11,659 on the groups. 697 00:25:11,660 --> 00:25:14,199 And also we, 698 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,799 for example, the people of the community 699 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,359 can come together to build up 700 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,549 things, to build things with us. 701 00:25:21,550 --> 00:25:23,619 We have sold the Ring Workshop, 702 00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:25,029 Carpenter and Carpentry 703 00:25:26,380 --> 00:25:27,879 Workshop. 704 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,069 And we also 705 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:32,619 try to follow this model of 706 00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:33,099 sharing 707 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,049 knowledge and 708 00:25:35,050 --> 00:25:38,529 preparing of it. The situation of an 709 00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:41,359 educational and 710 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,479 people. People help us to 711 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,579 build up, and then we also they learn 712 00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:48,039 to build. So we organized a workshop 713 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,599 on an 714 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,849 Earth plastering and we plaster 715 00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:53,799 the house of worship on. 716 00:25:54,850 --> 00:25:57,129 So we put the people to work in exchange 717 00:25:57,130 --> 00:25:58,449 of all 718 00:25:58,450 --> 00:25:59,409 of 719 00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:01,149 this knowledge, and he's working very 720 00:26:01,150 --> 00:26:03,159 well. Everybody's happy with this 721 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,160 exchange. 722 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,719 I have to say, when I do, I go to, 723 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,880 as you say, what the pictures. 724 00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:13,479 So the previous picture 725 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,389 here is the water group is 726 00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:18,519 doing for what 727 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,520 you do in. 728 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,740 Some very big pictures. 729 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,120 He was 730 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:31,180 OK. 731 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:34,529 Not going to read your. 732 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:38,250 So we. 733 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:44,500 Are you done? 734 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:50,239 The water group has been doing a lot of 735 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,429 forensics on how the water was working 736 00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:54,499 before and how 737 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:57,119 they were generally works. 738 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,779 And the idea of these 739 00:26:59,780 --> 00:27:01,699 we are used to this comes in water with 740 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:03,739 pressure and then everything is 741 00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:04,939 different. 742 00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:08,029 The sea fawns on 743 00:27:08,030 --> 00:27:09,359 gravity 744 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,360 and 745 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,099 I mean, 746 00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:14,929 we use the gravity to move the water 747 00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:16,759 instead of pumps. 748 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,530 It is exactly like here. 749 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:23,269 And so here we are finding 750 00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:25,399 different found down some things. 751 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,739 There are a lot of catacombs under 752 00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:28,879 colorful. 753 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,339 We also have a lot of neighbors 754 00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:33,829 come to visit the place that they were 755 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:36,679 born there or we're working there, 756 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,059 and they help us to find out. 757 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:40,559 They found some of the things and how 758 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,079 he was working. 759 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,269 And this is a workshop room. 760 00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:46,429 So we are cooking we the 761 00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:48,559 floor for a meeting where 762 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,560 people is testing 763 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,960 this on. 764 00:27:55,150 --> 00:27:56,659 I don't know if it's really worth the 765 00:27:56,660 --> 00:27:57,660 review. 766 00:27:58,690 --> 00:28:00,999 And this is a right now 767 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,459 we are in a moment in which we have 768 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:05,769 created basic infrastructure 769 00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:06,770 after two years. 770 00:28:08,050 --> 00:28:10,359 We must always have a kernel of people 771 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,609 that knows each other and knows 772 00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:14,769 how to kill each other. 773 00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:16,419 We're working 774 00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:17,589 on, 775 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:19,749 but we we need still more 776 00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:21,849 people working in specific 777 00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:22,850 projects. 778 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,469 And there's a lot of 779 00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:28,719 industrial space for workshops on 780 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,720 start doing things. 781 00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:33,189 Another thing that is happening to us 782 00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:35,259 is that we are spending much 783 00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:37,899 more time than we thought we would into 784 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:39,969 all this infrastructure that 785 00:28:39,970 --> 00:28:42,279 we were using to take care of 786 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,469 us sewage 787 00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:45,780 water treatment 788 00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:48,039 and in 789 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,909 energy 790 00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:50,229 production 791 00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:53,019 and all these things usually we just 792 00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:55,329 plugged from from the streets. 793 00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:57,549 And now we have to go on to 794 00:28:57,550 --> 00:28:58,079 the old 795 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,589 apartment 796 00:28:59,590 --> 00:29:00,579 before the housing. 797 00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:01,779 So we are learning a lot. 798 00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:05,619 And we are starting there and some 799 00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:08,379 projects are starting and 800 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:09,999 we are going to mention it. 801 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Oh no. 802 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:14,379 And so what we have been working on 803 00:29:14,380 --> 00:29:16,539 lately and seeing where we 804 00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:18,160 are working on efficient 805 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,999 engines and 806 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,399 fuel engines with these hydrogen 807 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,869 injections 808 00:29:25,870 --> 00:29:28,179 and adopting the 809 00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:29,739 diesel engines to 810 00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:32,199 use a used cooking 811 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,200 oil 812 00:29:33,490 --> 00:29:35,709 that we have a lot 813 00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:37,929 in Spain, there's a long tradition 814 00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:40,119 of the Barzun and 815 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,949 everything. I don't know how it's going 816 00:29:41,950 --> 00:29:42,950 here. 817 00:29:43,630 --> 00:29:46,149 We are also working on efficient 818 00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:47,719 heating and with 819 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,429 the rocket stoves, we 820 00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:53,039 stoves in the houses and 821 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,059 in well in general, not in the houses, 822 00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:56,799 but in our colorful. 823 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,989 We are trying to 824 00:29:58,990 --> 00:30:01,839 do so solar cooking in the summer 825 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,999 because we think it's very 826 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,659 it's sustainable and the growth 827 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:08,819 in these energy's 828 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:11,049 very clean and 829 00:30:11,050 --> 00:30:13,329 we are all children and working 830 00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:15,729 on food, the dehydration, 831 00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:17,579 which is sort of the 832 00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:22,329 green technology for food storage. 833 00:30:22,330 --> 00:30:24,909 We are we have the ram pump 834 00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:27,159 and everything, and we 835 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,229 make soap because it 836 00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:31,339 was very expensive, the use of 837 00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:33,459 soap. And also we had this problem that 838 00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:35,019 we had a lot of oil. 839 00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:37,269 So we are making 840 00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:40,419 soap now and 841 00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:42,819 we are working off it remediation, 842 00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:44,919 which is using plants for 843 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,099 specific to clean up the water 844 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,259 because I say we have 845 00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:51,639 contaminated the river 846 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:55,179 because of the company's upstream 847 00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:57,369 on a contaminated 848 00:30:57,370 --> 00:30:59,439 land, because the companies are wearing 849 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,440 colorful. 850 00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:02,759 Well, we need to 851 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,059 and we 852 00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:06,159 are going to plant food there, 853 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,769 but we can plant in transit 854 00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:09,919 a clean and maybe 855 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,650 produce something. 856 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:15,579 We are building a lot of willow 857 00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:16,580 right now. 858 00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:19,659 Then what we have, 859 00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:21,489 we are we have a high level 860 00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:23,409 to where we can 861 00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:25,839 project the only radiation 862 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,969 network that is just 863 00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:30,099 there, where a bunch of us as an 864 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,199 excellent 865 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,369 service for 866 00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:34,659 free. 867 00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:37,539 And we have also people working in 868 00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:39,849 social networks in the area is 869 00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:41,979 a collective that works on 870 00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:44,319 a long term visions of health. 871 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,629 I don't know if you know, and minus one 872 00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:48,969 is there is also part of the came 873 00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:49,959 from the lab 874 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,960 project, too. 875 00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:54,369 Then we have a more old school technology 876 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:57,459 that we have a kiln foundry. 877 00:31:57,460 --> 00:32:00,129 This guy is making this sound there. 878 00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:02,879 We have a carpentry workshop where 879 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,539 we make marmalade. 880 00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:06,969 And there's this guy that makes moment 881 00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:08,399 because we 882 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,169 skip a lot of food or ways, 883 00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:12,309 and that's what we have. 884 00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:14,829 We calculate value in the summers, 885 00:32:14,830 --> 00:32:17,469 and home marmalade started happening 886 00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:18,699 contingent. 887 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:21,249 Now it is more on 888 00:32:21,250 --> 00:32:23,230 in economic activity of a person. 889 00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:26,829 And then we do a lot of 890 00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:28,209 cognitive production. 891 00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:30,909 We make documentaries, we 892 00:32:30,910 --> 00:32:33,009 develop software, we design 893 00:32:33,010 --> 00:32:35,839 and document and we 894 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,199 make performances. 895 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,279 There's something good going on, too. 896 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,569 And we we like to do 897 00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:46,089 a lot of workshops and 898 00:32:46,090 --> 00:32:47,919 informative events. 899 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,079 This is one of the ones, 900 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,219 the more important ones. 901 00:32:58,350 --> 00:33:00,389 Well, anyway, uh, 902 00:33:00,390 --> 00:33:03,839 this is an event we do in Eastern. 903 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,819 It's about the technologies 904 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:07,889 and forum 905 00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:09,869 eco villages mainly, you know, a lot of 906 00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:12,009 people that is creating projects 907 00:33:12,010 --> 00:33:14,339 outside of the of the city. 908 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:15,779 And there are a series of, 909 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,009 well, 910 00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:22,019 there are very important machines and 911 00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:24,239 that need to be built in 912 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,579 these places. And we we we 913 00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:28,230 work on this together. 914 00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:33,999 And so 915 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,079 why am I here 916 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,860 telling all this to you 917 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:41,349 that you look like you 918 00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:43,839 go to these places with 919 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,539 him because we need to know whether we 920 00:33:46,540 --> 00:33:48,759 had already more or less fixes these kind 921 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,449 of things we would like to 922 00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:53,829 to have a single layer 923 00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:56,439 of of projects there joining in. 924 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,449 And we want 925 00:33:59,710 --> 00:34:01,329 people to use this phrase. 926 00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:03,399 We want people to visit, yeah, but 927 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,129 also two to three projects 928 00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:08,198 to do get interested 929 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,459 in something in particular and 930 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:12,729 to do that needs money 931 00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:14,198 and materials. 932 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:15,939 Everything you need to dump, 933 00:34:17,409 --> 00:34:19,749 you can then be there. 934 00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:22,209 Not every, you know, 935 00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:23,299 every route, 936 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:24,218 every word 937 00:34:24,219 --> 00:34:25,219 of. 938 00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:27,899 Or maybe if you need the Oh my god, 939 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,519 I don't know how development 940 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,259 is and you can go there. 941 00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:33,609 It's very nice. 942 00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:35,509 You can talk about the project. 943 00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:37,329 You can start a similar project. 944 00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:39,849 What is after visiting I stand 945 00:34:39,850 --> 00:34:42,099 for as it is very important to create 946 00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,319 an exchange, know then and 947 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,599 to also get new 948 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,849 ideas coming from from outside. 949 00:34:50,110 --> 00:34:52,029 Yeah, now we are ready for more. 950 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,099 These are the things we are doing the 951 00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,289 next month, we are preparing a meeting 952 00:35:00,290 --> 00:35:02,389 on plastic because 953 00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:05,389 we've done some experiments. 954 00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:07,669 Once we did, then we didn't 955 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:09,949 throw the garbage for two months 956 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:11,509 and 957 00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:13,579 there were. So we have decided we have to 958 00:35:13,580 --> 00:35:15,769 do something with plastic now 959 00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:18,529 because most of the things 960 00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:19,639 we do. 961 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,099 And these are the most garbage 962 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,719 we produce right now. 963 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,209 The plastic we we 964 00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:27,210 take care of our 965 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,049 teeth daily 966 00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:33,169 with, we think of 967 00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:35,929 the in the kitchen waste 968 00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:37,849 of the wood waste 969 00:35:37,850 --> 00:35:38,809 and 970 00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:41,149 we got to use, for example, to 971 00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:43,429 treat the wound so we can 972 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:45,919 we can solve it so 973 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,319 that we can throw to the garden. 974 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,059 We what we need. 975 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,389 The problem is the plastic. 976 00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:56,039 And so we are going to 977 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,189 do things all together with this 978 00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:59,929 plastic, you know, 979 00:35:59,930 --> 00:36:00,679 and 980 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,049 we are preparing and preparing 981 00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:05,359 a meeting out there for this 982 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,609 meat sysadmins 983 00:36:07,610 --> 00:36:10,009 on felt animals 984 00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:11,189 and servers. 985 00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:13,589 So what that means in 986 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:15,799 servers, no services 987 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,909 in general. 988 00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:19,309 And we we 989 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:20,599 are preparing 990 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,039 the end of March. 991 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,259 And I don't know if you know 992 00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:26,659 Marcel Marceau is coming to 993 00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:28,789 make these books candidates who we 994 00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:31,249 are going to have a digital public if 995 00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:33,559 we are recover a little. 996 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,579 Of course. No, I just have. 997 00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:37,789 We will fight where we would like 998 00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:40,289 to to enrich 999 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:42,019 the Commons. 1000 00:36:42,020 --> 00:36:44,239 And then the eclectic the carnival 1001 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:46,459 is also happening in August three this 1002 00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:48,619 year, which we are really happy 1003 00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:50,849 for, especially this time 1004 00:36:50,850 --> 00:36:52,909 it's a no go and only so we can 1005 00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:54,109 attend. 1006 00:36:54,110 --> 00:36:56,509 And yeah, 1007 00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:58,999 we always are organizing things 1008 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,999 on this permanent 1009 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,260 workshop or. 1010 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,510 Well, I think that's it. 1011 00:37:21,180 --> 00:37:23,010 Fifteen minutes of 1012 00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:25,630 police questions. 1013 00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:32,859 So we have 20, 20 1014 00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:35,319 minutes left for questions, please queue 1015 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,839 behind the microphones here and here. 1016 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,059 And we also probably have questions from 1017 00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:42,399 the internet, so we start 1018 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,439 with microphone one. 1019 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,509 OK. 1020 00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:47,979 Jessica, could you explain three 1021 00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:48,980 little points? 1022 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,209 One, I guess it's a kind of occupation. 1023 00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:54,129 It's a squat structure. 1024 00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:55,659 So you occupied 1025 00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:56,559 the the building. 1026 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,090 We are back in this timer. 1027 00:37:59,290 --> 00:38:01,419 Yeah, but no. But just to compare it to 1028 00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:03,699 the well, what do my other friends 1029 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:05,799 across the across the 1030 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,800 world? 1031 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,859 What are the relationships? 1032 00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:11,079 Who's the owner of 1033 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,909 that land or property? 1034 00:38:12,910 --> 00:38:15,009 And how did you build the kind of 1035 00:38:15,010 --> 00:38:17,349 relationship if you did with them 1036 00:38:17,350 --> 00:38:18,369 second thought? 1037 00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:21,819 Were you able to build up a good, 1038 00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:23,469 strong relationship with the neighbors 1039 00:38:23,470 --> 00:38:26,169 like they did in us, in Canada? 1040 00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:28,359 And we, I guess you get your 1041 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,519 food from Canada, among 1042 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,569 others? 1043 00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:33,009 No, we're not. 1044 00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:34,479 What does it come? Your food, for 1045 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,369 example, as you can cultivate anything 1046 00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:36,819 there, you 1047 00:38:36,820 --> 00:38:38,749 can grow anything. 1048 00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:41,469 So the first question is how 1049 00:38:41,470 --> 00:38:43,329 we handle the owner. 1050 00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:43,569 Yeah. 1051 00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:45,699 So the occupation, the 1052 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:46,700 the the whatever 1053 00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:48,429 is not an 1054 00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:50,529 occupation it never came to 1055 00:38:50,530 --> 00:38:51,999 to to put you out or to, 1056 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,129 you know, we're buying this 1057 00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:55,659 thing, the 1058 00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:57,849 the owner and 1059 00:38:57,850 --> 00:38:58,969 he's very old. 1060 00:38:58,970 --> 00:39:02,139 And so he made this a 1061 00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:04,059 hydro electric turbine 1062 00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:05,739 there, and he 1063 00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:07,449 really likes the property. 1064 00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:10,299 And he wanted to give the turbine 1065 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:11,949 and the canal 1066 00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:13,389 and 1067 00:39:13,390 --> 00:39:15,369 he wanted to sell the rest. 1068 00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:17,559 Nobody wanted to buy just the rest. 1069 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,610 And no, the canal 1070 00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:22,299 ran. The all over he had was 1071 00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:24,849 to make the place to burn garbage. 1072 00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:27,309 And another thing I 1073 00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:29,679 didn't say is that the the 1074 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,319 land is qualified for industrial 1075 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,320 use. 1076 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,229 That is very important 1077 00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:36,459 for us, and 1078 00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:38,919 that's why they call the burning garbage 1079 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,169 there. And he leaves the very 1080 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:42,219 nearby. 1081 00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:44,559 And he said he could not do something 1082 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,539 like this to his own down. 1083 00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:48,339 And so he left it. 1084 00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:50,619 And I don't know, he's of it all, and 1085 00:39:50,620 --> 00:39:52,629 he got this sensitive. 1086 00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:53,979 He like does. 1087 00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:56,619 And though, you know, he's 1088 00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:59,099 dividing the property into two birds. 1089 00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:02,739 And so he gives this hydroelectric 1090 00:40:02,740 --> 00:40:03,999 plant, 1091 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,189 which is giving him 1092 00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:06,699 around 1093 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,429 five thousand euros per month. 1094 00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:11,079 So he wants to give these. 1095 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,389 Or maybe we might someday, 1096 00:40:13,390 --> 00:40:15,759 but it's going to be quite expensive 1097 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,859 and we have the rest of the 1098 00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:19,899 colony. He comes every day we can. 1099 00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:21,609 We he got something to do 1100 00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:25,089 and we have a lease 1101 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:26,259 on the property. 1102 00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:27,969 We made a big payment, 1103 00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:28,689 so he 1104 00:40:28,690 --> 00:40:30,819 gets his own mortgage 1105 00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:33,039 and then clear, then start 1106 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,149 with the separation of the 1107 00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:35,729 property. 1108 00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:38,969 Now we are in the lease for 10 years. 1109 00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:41,269 And where do you get your food? 1110 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:43,359 The food from 1111 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,439 many, many different sources come as 1112 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,599 they was very far away. 1113 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,549 I know the president looks forward to it 1114 00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:50,639 here, but it would be 1115 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,869 like the 20 years of 1116 00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,449 fuel to go and come back, and 1117 00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:57,489 we have other projects nearby. 1118 00:40:57,490 --> 00:40:59,589 We buy a lot of really bad food 1119 00:40:59,590 --> 00:41:00,609 too, 1120 00:41:00,610 --> 00:41:02,799 and we don't buy a lot of organic food. 1121 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,579 We try to know in the summers. 1122 00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:06,309 And then with him, 1123 00:41:06,310 --> 00:41:07,059 many 1124 00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:08,769 like we buy a lot of meat 1125 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,049 and things like these from the 1126 00:41:11,050 --> 00:41:12,759 supermarket 1127 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,760 and 1128 00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:16,189 the neighbors. 1129 00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:18,339 And yeah, we buy 1130 00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:20,589 the neighbors, our brothers in and we 1131 00:41:20,590 --> 00:41:22,959 are starting a vegetable garden 1132 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,269 nearby, not in 1133 00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:27,849 our land, but a community garden 1134 00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:30,329 and a nice place with water 1135 00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:31,330 and and. 1136 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,059 OK, microphone to make, please 1137 00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:35,060 make sure to speak. 1138 00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:38,080 Do you have children at the project? 1139 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,539 We have some children in the project 1140 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:42,899 there. 1141 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,159 They we have more and 1142 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,169 a lot of people decided to leave because 1143 00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:49,029 it was very difficult to collaborate with 1144 00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:51,369 the project and they could not move 1145 00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:53,259 there so soon. 1146 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:55,149 And many of them have said that they are 1147 00:41:55,150 --> 00:41:56,150 going to come back. 1148 00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:58,599 Now we have a 1149 00:41:59,740 --> 00:42:01,989 couple of children living there that are 1150 00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:03,399 not in school yet. 1151 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,679 One has one year, then we have 1152 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,939 it in the town nearby, this 1153 00:42:07,940 --> 00:42:09,409 hug with 1154 00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:11,049 a girl 1155 00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:12,849 that is part of the project, but they are 1156 00:42:12,850 --> 00:42:15,099 living in a flat in the town 1157 00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,269 and in the summers. 1158 00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:18,699 We have many children visiting, 1159 00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:20,709 but they are not living there. 1160 00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:22,959 The parents come with them is not is 1161 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,809 very unsafe for children there. 1162 00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:27,369 I'm going for that with maybe birds, 1163 00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:30,059 especially depending on the age. 1164 00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:33,209 Can be dramatic. 1165 00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:35,019 But yeah, we want to have more, we have 1166 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:36,039 all people. 1167 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,149 What I know is the infrastructure 1168 00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:40,739 is preventing a lot of people to 1169 00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:42,179 participate and luckily 1170 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:44,129 children 1171 00:42:44,130 --> 00:42:46,289 and people with parents are 1172 00:42:46,290 --> 00:42:48,749 walking and 1173 00:42:48,750 --> 00:42:49,499 and 1174 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:51,779 people with psychological problems 1175 00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:53,819 have also gone to leave, but by 1176 00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:56,159 themselves, not because they couldn't 1177 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,449 handle this. 1178 00:42:57,450 --> 00:42:58,450 Regarding the 1179 00:42:59,550 --> 00:43:00,099 UN 1180 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,749 is really you is southern. 1181 00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:05,549 No, you have to be close in. 1182 00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:06,929 It's very hard. 1183 00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:09,389 Right now, the idea, of course, is to 1184 00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:13,059 do to have a set of ages. 1185 00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:16,439 Okay. One question from the internet. 1186 00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:21,339 Hello. 1187 00:43:21,340 --> 00:43:23,729 And so we have, uh, 1188 00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:25,659 multiple questions. 1189 00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:27,839 Um, one is about, 1190 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,939 uh, that to give 1191 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:32,339 in the context of the crisis, 1192 00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:34,649 I was trying to hack the 1193 00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:36,899 political system to increase, 1194 00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,030 uh, participation in society. 1195 00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:42,629 And the second one is about, 1196 00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:45,299 um, permaculture. 1197 00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,369 So what I would like 1198 00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:49,769 to know what what elements 1199 00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:51,809 of permaculture do you apply in the 1200 00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:52,810 current colony? 1201 00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:56,039 And specifically, if you are trying 1202 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,559 to maintain a stable and increasing 1203 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,320 energy return on energy investment 1204 00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:03,670 and that 1205 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,719 that's OK enough for one run so 1206 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,309 you can answer 1207 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:09,989 the question, I don't know is that with 1208 00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:10,990 the 1209 00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:14,609 LEGO for a politician like? 1210 00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:15,610 Yeah. 1211 00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:20,020 And 1212 00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:23,609 the second one is, well, 1213 00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:24,610 we 1214 00:44:26,970 --> 00:44:29,489 usually use to design 1215 00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:30,629 farms. 1216 00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:32,789 But actually, that system is her 1217 00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:35,699 design system for design 1218 00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:37,139 and 1219 00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:39,669 technique or a series of 1220 00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:41,699 off design buttons for any kind of 1221 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:42,719 system. 1222 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,819 And the we use these 1223 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:45,820 these, for example, of 1224 00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:48,009 a 1225 00:44:48,010 --> 00:44:49,769 dying to see what to do with the 1226 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:50,699 resources we have 1227 00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:52,739 there and 1228 00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:53,119 make 1229 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,299 them. 1230 00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:56,369 And the 1231 00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:59,429 problem is this solution like them 1232 00:44:59,430 --> 00:45:01,699 that we are making soap because 1233 00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:03,719 it's permaculture because we had two 1234 00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:05,879 problems and then we have a solution 1235 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,149 for the research and 1236 00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:10,679 we try to to 1237 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,139 to use our own and 1238 00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:15,389 and put elements on our system 1239 00:45:15,390 --> 00:45:17,849 to serve more than one function. 1240 00:45:17,850 --> 00:45:20,579 Also, there are different 1241 00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:22,799 design principles of the culture that 1242 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,049 we try to apply, like 1243 00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:27,119 what are the three basic principles of 1244 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,519 permaculture? There is a take 1245 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,189 for the Earth, the take 1246 00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:34,709 for the people and share this 1247 00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:37,619 food, plus the three basic 1248 00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:39,809 principles of good children and we 1249 00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:40,889 try to follow them 1250 00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:43,030 to. 1251 00:45:43,850 --> 00:45:45,349 OK, great. 1252 00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:47,369 Microphone one place. 1253 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:49,429 Yeah, thanks for the inspiring talk. 1254 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:51,859 I've got a question about the currency 1255 00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:54,169 you mentioned. You said it's the Echo. 1256 00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:56,239 And my question is, how is it 1257 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,489 related and connected to the currency 1258 00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:59,509 around you? 1259 00:45:59,510 --> 00:46:01,549 Do you have any taxes that have to be 1260 00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:03,919 paid when you exchange back 1261 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,089 to them on the outside? 1262 00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:07,309 Or do you just can you can you just 1263 00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:09,439 use it inside the projects you 1264 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,440 were mentioning 1265 00:46:11,090 --> 00:46:12,079 and then 1266 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,509 the currency we use, it is 1267 00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:16,939 a system that's developed 1268 00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:19,130 many years ago in South Africa, 1269 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:20,719 and 1270 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:21,799 that was it. 1271 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,289 We use for that by the Echo networks 1272 00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:26,469 of Barcelona before they go into 1273 00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:28,639 the detail and into the 1274 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,219 community exchange system. 1275 00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:33,739 Horrible various fee obligations. 1276 00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:37,999 But they're really nice people. 1277 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,549 And so you can set up your network 1278 00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:43,429 of exchange and you decide 1279 00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:46,039 if because on currency, if your currency 1280 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,229 has any relationship 1281 00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:50,719 with you, with the normal currency 1282 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,669 and with the normal, we're there with the 1283 00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:54,019 bank currency. 1284 00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:56,629 And so we have decided 1285 00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:57,919 nothing. 1286 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,439 So there are several different 1287 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,199 networks like the Barcelona. 1288 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,529 They go to do and do that one. 1289 00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:05,709 No, the one we're having 1290 00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:07,289 slothful on, 1291 00:47:07,290 --> 00:47:10,309 for example, the one we have to fold a 1292 00:47:10,310 --> 00:47:11,570 network of onoja 1293 00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:15,589 or local network has decided to call 1294 00:47:15,590 --> 00:47:16,699 and reverse 1295 00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:17,779 the the money. 1296 00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:20,209 They are not big, but they are the same 1297 00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:22,789 value that they close and 1298 00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:24,949 we say that is one euro 1299 00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:26,119 when you go. 1300 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,829 But this is not. 1301 00:47:27,830 --> 00:47:29,459 This is just a convention. 1302 00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:31,609 We have said this is not 1303 00:47:31,610 --> 00:47:33,829 something that is on this system. 1304 00:47:33,830 --> 00:47:36,709 We sometimes make a make 1305 00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:38,689 a party 1306 00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:40,519 affair and 1307 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,139 we're people that it has not 1308 00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:44,299 done an account on 1309 00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:45,300 our system. 1310 00:47:47,540 --> 00:47:50,419 They can buy the local paper 1311 00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:52,279 echos and then change them. 1312 00:47:53,660 --> 00:47:55,909 And depending on the network, you can 1313 00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:58,009 put the little tags also 1314 00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:59,839 in our local network, and they have 1315 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,509 decided to put four percent of 1316 00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:03,889 taxes. 1317 00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:06,109 And this money goes to go on, 1318 00:48:06,110 --> 00:48:07,629 goes over the whole network. 1319 00:48:07,630 --> 00:48:09,349 They are starting. They plan to take it 1320 00:48:09,350 --> 00:48:10,849 out when they come. 1321 00:48:10,850 --> 00:48:13,009 But some things they want to buy and 1322 00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:15,139 they want to fix a place in 1323 00:48:15,140 --> 00:48:18,319 in in undervote that nearby town, 1324 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:18,979 city 1325 00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:21,199 and nearby city where 1326 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,389 there is a store now and they want 1327 00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:25,099 to fix it, so they need some money. 1328 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:27,349 So they have applied the 1329 00:48:27,350 --> 00:48:28,350 dunks 1330 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,049 in the housing assembly. 1331 00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:32,719 Everybody said yes and 1332 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,819 but it's not related, 1333 00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:35,719 really. 1334 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,159 There is no exchange buck 1335 00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:39,860 OK, microphone to. 1336 00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:43,039 And my question is if you 1337 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,139 had any problems within the community, 1338 00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:47,239 maybe some new or newly 1339 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:49,819 arrived people brought problems 1340 00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:51,379 or were just 1341 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,579 there to use your resources but 1342 00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:56,630 will not contribute in your system. 1343 00:48:57,740 --> 00:48:59,030 Work as usual. 1344 00:49:01,850 --> 00:49:03,409 OK, no more. 1345 00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:05,569 And how did you 1346 00:49:05,570 --> 00:49:07,340 get rid of them? So you just, uh, 1347 00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:11,780 it depends on the person. 1348 00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:15,589 OK? 1349 00:49:15,590 --> 00:49:19,279 Is it just demoralization? 1350 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,499 Sometimes the flicks are too big 1351 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,289 and you have to take a decision. 1352 00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:26,419 It's very hard also to know if 1353 00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:28,639 a person is going to work 1354 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,989 in the rest of the community or not. 1355 00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:31,990 So 1356 00:49:33,590 --> 00:49:35,239 we don't have a rule with these. 1357 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,369 We try to apply rules and make 1358 00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:39,049 rules, and then there are always 1359 00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:39,979 exceptions. 1360 00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:41,989 We are a very young community. 1361 00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:44,000 We try to resolve conflicts. 1362 00:49:46,610 --> 00:49:48,769 But physical violence against the 1363 00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:50,120 people, the people 1364 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,909 against the persons is for reason. 1365 00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:55,950 Yeah. 1366 00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:57,559 OK, thank 1367 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,599 you. So if you have somebody, you have to 1368 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,949 leave 1369 00:50:00,950 --> 00:50:01,519 for, 1370 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,809 this is like this. 1371 00:50:02,810 --> 00:50:04,100 OK, well, thank you. 1372 00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:07,310 So another question from the internet. 1373 00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:12,959 You don't have to put up a microphone, 1374 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,209 and there are two very 1375 00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:17,489 simple questions, one is asking 1376 00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:19,199 if there is a week with more 1377 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,539 documentation about the various projects 1378 00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:23,129 in full. 1379 00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:25,739 And the other is asking 1380 00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:27,869 how fast is the internet connection in 1381 00:50:27,870 --> 00:50:28,870 California? 1382 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,219 I'm very glad you asked the question 1383 00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:41,259 because I forgot to mention a very 1384 00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:43,269 important collective one that is 1385 00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:45,949 supporting us, that is within it. 1386 00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:48,099 And that is I said then it will 1387 00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:49,100 go for 1388 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,199 what 1389 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,419 is a very long story with the sense that 1390 00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:54,549 there is a network of different awareness 1391 00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:56,769 projects that now are becoming 1392 00:50:56,770 --> 00:50:57,770 very, 1393 00:50:59,050 --> 00:51:01,179 very strong and they are giving very 1394 00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:02,989 good connection. They put an and then we 1395 00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:05,469 had internet before electricity. 1396 00:51:05,470 --> 00:51:08,059 They were always very supportive 1397 00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:10,219 and supportive, and we have 1398 00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:11,169 a really 1399 00:51:11,170 --> 00:51:12,170 steering 1400 00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:14,769 and 1401 00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:17,289 we have an I don't remember 1402 00:51:17,290 --> 00:51:19,109 exactly right now where we have a program 1403 00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:22,149 and we did because of the humidity. 1404 00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:24,549 We have one point eight. 1405 00:51:24,550 --> 00:51:26,739 Visa is the distance to the 1406 00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:28,809 other and then we have 1407 00:51:28,810 --> 00:51:30,729 one of these. And I know station 1408 00:51:30,730 --> 00:51:33,249 thing is one 1409 00:51:33,250 --> 00:51:34,389 thing goes very well, 1410 00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:37,550 quite stable 1411 00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:40,449 and we 1412 00:51:40,450 --> 00:51:42,609 have fun. 1413 00:51:42,610 --> 00:51:44,440 And so 1414 00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:48,099 sometimes we have problems within 1415 00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,319 the internal network to many other means. 1416 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,320 You know how it goes. 1417 00:51:52,330 --> 00:51:54,579 Usually, if you go there is working with 1418 00:51:54,580 --> 00:51:56,649 the this is the human 1419 00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:57,650 factor, 1420 00:51:59,260 --> 00:52:00,609 the the bottleneck, 1421 00:52:00,610 --> 00:52:02,339 the we have 1422 00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:04,430 too many elements 1423 00:52:05,380 --> 00:52:07,659 and and the question about the wiki 1424 00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:07,809 and 1425 00:52:07,810 --> 00:52:09,999 the wiki, we have an open 1426 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,339 door web page and also 1427 00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:13,340 and 1428 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:15,759 come back 1429 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,760 very. 1430 00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:20,170 What are you doing? 1431 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,169 OK. 1432 00:52:23,170 --> 00:52:24,399 Mm hmm. 1433 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,349 Well, maybe in the meantime, already a 1434 00:52:26,350 --> 00:52:28,540 microphone, one can pose a question. 1435 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,839 Yeah, I had another currency related 1436 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,389 question. So the context, 1437 00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:36,549 the context I had heard about colorful 1438 00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:38,409 was was actually bitcoin. 1439 00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:39,880 If you look at the 1440 00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:42,579 website of the cooperative, there are 1441 00:52:42,580 --> 00:52:44,529 like two articles about bitcoin. 1442 00:52:44,530 --> 00:52:46,679 And then there's bitcoin, which 1443 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,759 is an alternative implementation of 1444 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,009 bitcoin, which says it's colorful 1445 00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:52,569 project and some people living in the 1446 00:52:52,570 --> 00:52:54,429 cooperatives have worked on it. 1447 00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:56,379 And there's a dark wallet, which says 1448 00:52:56,380 --> 00:52:59,079 it's it's endorsed by 1449 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,179 Andy Duran, which is a 1450 00:53:01,180 --> 00:53:03,909 normalization of the Bitcoin protocol, 1451 00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:05,259 and that's something I have really 1452 00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:07,299 trouble wrapping my head around because 1453 00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:09,279 if there is such an ideology behind 1454 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,769 bitcoin, then it's more anarcho 1455 00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:13,329 capitalist or libertarian. 1456 00:53:13,330 --> 00:53:15,249 It's totally not what I associate with 1457 00:53:15,250 --> 00:53:16,479 the story you. 1458 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,489 So I'm not sure whether there was debate 1459 00:53:18,490 --> 00:53:20,619 within the cooperative about 1460 00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:22,569 bitcoin. And could you tell me, could you 1461 00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:23,679 tell us a bit more about it? 1462 00:53:25,930 --> 00:53:27,760 I'm glad you asked this question. 1463 00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:31,629 Well, where we give 1464 00:53:31,630 --> 00:53:34,059 autonomy to the people, the working, 1465 00:53:34,060 --> 00:53:36,189 whatever they think is important 1466 00:53:36,190 --> 00:53:37,089 to know. 1467 00:53:37,090 --> 00:53:39,819 And of course, the and 1468 00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:41,889 there is people working on bitcoin and 1469 00:53:41,890 --> 00:53:42,890 colorful. 1470 00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:47,229 I don't know if you'd say I don't think 1471 00:53:47,230 --> 00:53:49,449 we haven't talked in assembly to 1472 00:53:49,450 --> 00:53:52,029 address this issue like a 1473 00:53:52,030 --> 00:53:53,409 whole project. 1474 00:53:53,410 --> 00:53:54,399 But it is. 1475 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,530 I mean, they are doing it there. 1476 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:58,329 They are 1477 00:53:58,330 --> 00:53:59,319 staying for a while 1478 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,320 there, 1479 00:54:01,630 --> 00:54:02,049 but 1480 00:54:02,050 --> 00:54:03,579 they will use the other money. 1481 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,549 They say there's a high level 1482 00:54:07,550 --> 00:54:09,699 there they will be, but is going, 1483 00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:10,629 No. 1484 00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:12,730 They are seeing bitcoin now. 1485 00:54:14,650 --> 00:54:16,539 Some of them lost. 1486 00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:17,540 Some of us. 1487 00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:21,729 So it's not officially endorsed 1488 00:54:21,730 --> 00:54:23,170 by the cooperative 1489 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,509 when we don't have an endorsement policy, 1490 00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:28,569 neither. And so we don't know exactly 1491 00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:29,739 what endorsement is. 1492 00:54:34,770 --> 00:54:37,260 They are leaders, and so 1493 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,899 they are living in glove, although I 1494 00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:42,299 guess we are somehow endorsing 1495 00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:43,819 the project. 1496 00:54:43,820 --> 00:54:46,289 Oh, but there 1497 00:54:46,290 --> 00:54:48,389 is no day that we decided that 1498 00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:51,299 we going to be gone with it more like a 1499 00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:52,300 normal thing. 1500 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:54,779 OK, thanks. 1501 00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:57,179 So Microphone two, please 1502 00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:58,139 put it down a little bit. 1503 00:54:58,140 --> 00:55:00,179 The microphone like no. 1504 00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:01,739 Have you had to physically defend the 1505 00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:03,989 space at all, like recently from cops 1506 00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:05,219 or other pigs? 1507 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,419 Well, when we arrived, we had 1508 00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:11,819 this issue 1509 00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:14,249 because there was no, 1510 00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:16,139 not a lot of corporate anymore, but there 1511 00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:17,789 was this phone. 1512 00:55:17,790 --> 00:55:20,139 And so it was in a way they would come 1513 00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:22,259 some dodgy people 1514 00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:22,469 and 1515 00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:24,679 we are dodgy. 1516 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,879 And so 1517 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:27,149 they were 1518 00:55:27,150 --> 00:55:28,319 like, We are working 1519 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,320 here. 1520 00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:31,380 No, no. We live here. 1521 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,329 No, we 1522 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:34,789 don't. 1523 00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:35,669 But has that? 1524 00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:37,350 Yes. But we are buying, 1525 00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:41,640 you know, buying. 1526 00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:44,339 We are buying. 1527 00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:46,289 Yes. But no, they don't come anymore. 1528 00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:51,419 Yeah. 1529 00:55:51,420 --> 00:55:53,519 Whether they said no, but 1530 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,469 it was OK. No, no survival. 1531 00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:57,929 And then we had this kleptomania 1532 00:55:57,930 --> 00:55:59,010 guy from the town 1533 00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:03,899 where he, yeah, he gave 1534 00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:05,139 us everything 1535 00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:06,140 again. 1536 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,709 OK. Do we have another question from the 1537 00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:11,710 internet? 1538 00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:17,339 So if 1539 00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:19,559 my German is good enough to 1540 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,959 understand this Twitter and 1541 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,449 somebody is asking if, uh, people 1542 00:56:24,450 --> 00:56:26,609 who do not work can or 1543 00:56:26,610 --> 00:56:29,189 cannot be thrown out from the community. 1544 00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:32,930 Do not work 1545 00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:35,250 for just. 1546 00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:41,590 His hand is hovering. 1547 00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:45,309 The question is very binary with 1548 00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:46,759 binary question. 1549 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,469 I think the 1550 00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:49,689 question is meant in the way that if 1551 00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:52,539 you are not able to work 1552 00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:54,789 for, for instance, if you're if you're 1553 00:56:54,790 --> 00:56:56,889 a child or something, are you thrown 1554 00:56:56,890 --> 00:56:58,119 out of it? 1555 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,219 Are you thrown out of the community or 1556 00:57:00,220 --> 00:57:02,499 or if you're if you're disabled 1557 00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:04,629 or if you if something prevents you from 1558 00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:05,229 being if you're a 1559 00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:07,509 role, you always 1560 00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:07,899 know, 1561 00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:10,839 no way we don't have a 1562 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,659 real policy of disabled. 1563 00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:15,789 And usually the people that kind 1564 00:57:15,790 --> 00:57:18,039 of work because they're the ideal. 1565 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,259 They don't want to go there because 1566 00:57:20,260 --> 00:57:21,909 you have to work, 1567 00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:22,809 not work, 1568 00:57:22,810 --> 00:57:24,880 for example, but you have to work a lot. 1569 00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:28,209 And this if you are if you have 1570 00:57:28,210 --> 00:57:30,339 a broken leg or something, we have got 1571 00:57:30,340 --> 00:57:32,439 situations of where members 1572 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,499 of of the colony that 1573 00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:37,149 they were. 1574 00:57:37,150 --> 00:57:39,579 I'm sorry, I put the weakest 1575 00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:40,719 link on the screen. 1576 00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:43,719 Maybe I can make it. 1577 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,119 It's corporate. 1578 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,199 You've got equal 1579 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,419 x a r x 1580 00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:51,340 e stops cut, 1581 00:57:53,170 --> 00:57:55,449 but maybe you can treat it or something. 1582 00:57:55,450 --> 00:57:58,169 Easy decision the view 1583 00:57:58,170 --> 00:57:59,170 in the 1584 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,839 D.C. 1585 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,840 area. 1586 00:58:03,950 --> 00:58:05,199 No. 1587 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,200 OK. 1588 00:58:07,330 --> 00:58:09,670 Can we take another go with this still 1589 00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:12,929 and make it a little one known and finish 1590 00:58:12,930 --> 00:58:15,609 to this new very 1591 00:58:15,610 --> 00:58:17,229 good drugs? 1592 00:58:17,230 --> 00:58:19,699 And no, we we don't 1593 00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:21,879 go to people. That is not it's 1594 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,759 not going to work. 1595 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,279 And we also have 1596 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,879 a lot of people burn out, too. 1597 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,099 There's a lot of work to 1598 00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:32,229 do, and 1599 00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:34,089 so many times there's people. 1600 00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:36,129 There is no working in a moment or 1601 00:58:36,130 --> 00:58:39,039 another. They need to rest, they need to 1602 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,650 run and they need to party 1603 00:58:42,670 --> 00:58:42,819 as 1604 00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:44,589 long as they don't do it all the time is 1605 00:58:44,590 --> 00:58:46,659 not a problem. No, everybody 1606 00:58:46,660 --> 00:58:47,660 has to do it. 1607 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,669 OK, we take microphones two at the 1608 00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:53,919 end. So you are not standing 1609 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,079 there the whole time without purpose. 1610 00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,979 Yeah. How do you decide things 1611 00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:02,979 and who does decide and, 1612 00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:05,229 for example, to how you distribute 1613 00:59:05,230 --> 00:59:06,489 your resources? 1614 00:59:06,490 --> 00:59:08,749 How do your decision processes work? 1615 00:59:08,750 --> 00:59:11,169 We have a big assembly, or 1616 00:59:11,170 --> 00:59:12,309 yes, 1617 00:59:12,310 --> 00:59:15,159 we have our weekly assembly and we work 1618 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,709 by consensus and 1619 00:59:17,710 --> 00:59:19,209 depending on the moment. 1620 00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:21,609 First, we had a bigger 1621 00:59:21,610 --> 00:59:22,610 picture of 1622 00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:24,309 every 1623 00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:26,529 work. We had a meeting in the morning and 1624 00:59:26,530 --> 00:59:27,249 within the 1625 00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:29,379 evening, every day when 1626 00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:32,169 we when we ended, no. 1627 00:59:32,170 --> 00:59:34,299 Later on, we divided on working from work 1628 00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:35,409 groups. 1629 00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:37,209 Now we do 1630 00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:38,739 a mix of both. 1631 00:59:38,740 --> 00:59:40,819 And we are starting to realize 1632 00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:42,909 as we have had to move to the 1633 00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:44,859 summer and winter. 1634 00:59:44,860 --> 00:59:47,539 And so maybe soon we are going to 1635 00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:50,019 a structure this with this 1636 00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:52,059 because it's always a good negotiation, a 1637 00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:54,219 moment in which a lot of people 1638 00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:56,979 start coming that don't know what to 1639 00:59:56,980 --> 00:59:58,329 want to help. 1640 00:59:58,330 --> 00:59:59,769 I don't know what to do. 1641 00:59:59,770 --> 01:00:01,419 And then there are moments like now that 1642 01:00:01,420 --> 01:00:03,759 they are not so many guests, and so 1643 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,009 you can do it in a more informal way. 1644 01:00:06,010 --> 01:00:07,989 But the assembly is every Sunday 1645 01:00:09,610 --> 01:00:12,159 on Teague's, and 1646 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,229 we are working on and 1647 01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:16,689 try to work a consensus based decision 1648 01:00:16,690 --> 01:00:17,619 making. 1649 01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:19,809 And who is we? 1650 01:00:19,810 --> 01:00:21,070 Are these always the same people? 1651 01:00:22,180 --> 01:00:24,699 That is the uncertainty 1652 01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:25,689 and people. 1653 01:00:25,690 --> 01:00:27,999 The reason we can come in for the first 1654 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,459 time is invited to introduce 1655 01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:32,109 themselves and learn about the 1656 01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:33,669 collective. 1657 01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:35,829 And tell us everybody they think 1658 01:00:35,830 --> 01:00:38,229 about everything because maybe we talk 1659 01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:40,509 about this and and 1660 01:00:40,510 --> 01:00:41,379 who 1661 01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:43,749 we take the good mother to 1662 01:00:45,070 --> 01:00:46,909 the godmother is to introduce the people 1663 01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:49,509 on the organization and explain 1664 01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:51,669 it. And then as well, the 1665 01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:53,539 more time you have on the on the place, 1666 01:00:53,540 --> 01:00:54,099 then 1667 01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:54,849 the more 1668 01:00:54,850 --> 01:00:55,659 you can 1669 01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:56,660 design. 1670 01:00:57,670 --> 01:01:00,069 So this is sort of an initiation 1671 01:01:00,070 --> 01:01:01,569 process. When you have been long enough 1672 01:01:01,570 --> 01:01:03,669 in this community, you 1673 01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:05,589 get to decide. 1674 01:01:05,590 --> 01:01:06,759 You also get to decide. 1675 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,829 There is no talk is not so clear. 1676 01:01:08,830 --> 01:01:10,919 We made one say we made 1677 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:11,649 some 1678 01:01:11,650 --> 01:01:13,269 and 1679 01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:15,459 some decisions are strategic 1680 01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:17,169 decisions about this. 1681 01:01:17,170 --> 01:01:20,049 These topics like, um, 1682 01:01:20,050 --> 01:01:23,539 how the energy is generating 1683 01:01:23,540 --> 01:01:25,629 and shares are going to be 1684 01:01:25,630 --> 01:01:27,399 decided by the public as productive 1685 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,389 bridges and the people that lives, who 1686 01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:31,269 who's living there is going to be to 1687 01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:33,579 about these in the end. 1688 01:01:33,580 --> 01:01:35,439 We have to get a lot of decisions right 1689 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,929 in the. But are these the assembly, 1690 01:01:37,930 --> 01:01:40,359 the assembly everybody talks and. 1691 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,829 Yeah. 1692 01:01:41,830 --> 01:01:44,079 Many times it is not just me who takes 1693 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,499 the decisions, but what happens is a 1694 01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:48,519 and people that it hasn't been long 1695 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,679 enough and proposes things that 1696 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,579 we already tried and it didn't work. 1697 01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:55,659 We say, Look, no, we did that last 1698 01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:56,769 year 1699 01:01:56,770 --> 01:01:58,749 and we this 1700 01:01:58,750 --> 01:02:00,069 is more about information. 1701 01:02:00,070 --> 01:02:00,609 Thank you. 1702 01:02:00,610 --> 01:02:01,519 Thank you. 1703 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,309 OK, thank you very much. 1704 01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:05,349 Before you leave the room, like, grab 1705 01:02:05,350 --> 01:02:07,539 your your ways 1706 01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:09,489 and your bottles, and please leave the 1707 01:02:09,490 --> 01:02:11,859 room only through the door and from 1708 01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:13,929 like so people can go inside 1709 01:02:13,930 --> 01:02:16,179 the room from the other side. 1710 01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:18,399 And thank you very much again 1711 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,400 for the. 1712 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,049 Thank you, Steve, 1713 01:02:24,050 --> 01:02:25,050 for inviting us.