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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/425 Thanks! 1 00:00:13,170 --> 00:00:16,109 Thank you very much, so 2 00:00:16,110 --> 00:00:18,449 I will start my talk by 3 00:00:18,450 --> 00:00:20,609 just catching up what I said 4 00:00:20,610 --> 00:00:22,859 in the last talked to some 5 00:00:22,860 --> 00:00:25,029 who didn't see me yet get get about 6 00:00:25,030 --> 00:00:27,269 the project and then I go 7 00:00:27,270 --> 00:00:29,399 away from the hardware towards 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,008 that platform ecosystem 9 00:00:32,009 --> 00:00:34,109 because there's a lot of stuff 10 00:00:34,110 --> 00:00:36,459 going on in the world right now. 11 00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:38,519 And yeah. 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,649 So basically the idea of the 13 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:42,869 ecosystem is shown in that 14 00:00:42,870 --> 00:00:44,699 infographics are made. 15 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:46,919 We have on this and 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:47,999 we have the device. 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,129 This is our current prototype, but 18 00:00:50,130 --> 00:00:51,689 there are more and more Internet 19 00:00:51,690 --> 00:00:54,119 connected cooking devices coming up. 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,549 They need some kind of concentrated 21 00:00:56,550 --> 00:00:59,159 data, machine readable data, 22 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,649 and we want 23 00:01:01,650 --> 00:01:02,759 to have the recipes. 24 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,309 That's the first coming from the cooks, 25 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:07,289 from cooks all over the world. 26 00:01:07,290 --> 00:01:10,079 But we also want to have data about food 27 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,539 where we get the ingredients to make that 28 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:14,789 specific recipe and all 29 00:01:14,790 --> 00:01:17,129 the available data, nutrition data 30 00:01:17,130 --> 00:01:19,379 and data from NGOs. 31 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:21,269 How sustainable is this food? 32 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:22,799 How healthy is this food? 33 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,899 And so we can make diet plans 34 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:27,209 and having all this concentrated data, 35 00:01:27,210 --> 00:01:29,789 we can also make a great smartphone app 36 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:32,009 independent of having a connected 37 00:01:32,010 --> 00:01:34,139 cooking device because we 38 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:35,400 have machine readable data. 39 00:01:37,260 --> 00:01:39,509 So, yeah, what's coming 40 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:41,999 first, some about 41 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,339 the hardware and 42 00:01:44,340 --> 00:01:46,529 then the platform, what's going on 43 00:01:46,530 --> 00:01:48,599 in the world and some 44 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,209 ideas about how we move on opportunities 45 00:01:51,210 --> 00:01:52,210 and needs. 46 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,949 So my problem was very simple. 47 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:57,349 I started cooking a result, I 48 00:01:57,350 --> 00:02:00,019 went for a quick meal check and 49 00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:01,909 it ended up about a bit like this. 50 00:02:01,910 --> 00:02:04,099 I was thinking, I need a device 51 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:06,649 that can stir and control the temperature 52 00:02:06,650 --> 00:02:07,849 at least. 53 00:02:07,850 --> 00:02:10,279 But then starting thinking 54 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,409 over the idea was like, no, I don't want 55 00:02:12,410 --> 00:02:14,689 a device where I say 56 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:16,429 what it has to do for me, but it's 57 00:02:16,430 --> 00:02:17,329 actually the opposite. 58 00:02:17,330 --> 00:02:18,979 I want a device that I say, I want to 59 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:20,539 make a risotto. Tell me what you need 60 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:21,540 from me. 61 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:24,649 So in 2009, I was 62 00:02:24,650 --> 00:02:27,229 thinking about possibilities. 63 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:29,509 The first CAD model, 64 00:02:29,510 --> 00:02:32,689 2010, I get still virtual 65 00:02:32,690 --> 00:02:34,340 prototypes. INSEAD 66 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,759 first talks to manufacturers 67 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,919 who said it's interesting, 68 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:41,809 but we're still saying it's very 69 00:02:41,810 --> 00:02:43,429 futuristic. 70 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:45,709 The first prototype in 2011 looked 71 00:02:45,710 --> 00:02:46,849 very dangerous. 72 00:02:46,850 --> 00:02:49,099 I remember a startup coach 73 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:50,959 telling me you shouldn't have shown me 74 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,039 that prototype. 75 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,859 I mean, it was a lot of epoxy fiberglass, 76 00:02:54,860 --> 00:02:57,219 but I was already cooking under pressure 77 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:59,489 a this on the bottom. 78 00:02:59,490 --> 00:03:00,559 This is a load cell. 79 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,609 So I had to scale. 80 00:03:01,610 --> 00:03:03,679 This is an induction heater I just got 81 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,139 from a supermarket with an arduino 82 00:03:06,140 --> 00:03:08,509 and a PC at the end. 83 00:03:08,510 --> 00:03:10,999 It it worked and it showed that it's 84 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,080 technically feasible. 85 00:03:14,950 --> 00:03:17,559 We moved on developing prototypes 86 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,899 that the fourth generation, 87 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:22,029 it's actually over there at the food 88 00:03:22,030 --> 00:03:24,399 hacking base right now, probably making 89 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,989 fudge, I'm not sure, but we will make 90 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:28,089 fudge today on this device. 91 00:03:28,090 --> 00:03:30,309 So a short overview on the front. 92 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:31,959 We have a power switch. 93 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,809 We have function buttons just to 94 00:03:34,810 --> 00:03:36,939 to have some direct 95 00:03:36,940 --> 00:03:38,109 interaction on device. 96 00:03:38,110 --> 00:03:40,509 We do not want to have everything on 97 00:03:40,510 --> 00:03:42,699 on a tablet or on a mobile device 98 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:44,049 because you never sure about 99 00:03:44,050 --> 00:03:44,719 connectivity. 100 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,989 So there must be a way to safely 101 00:03:46,990 --> 00:03:48,549 turn the device off. 102 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:50,709 The matrix we had on this 103 00:03:50,710 --> 00:03:52,839 device now already has been replaced 104 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,729 by a touchscreen. 105 00:03:54,730 --> 00:03:56,769 On this version, we have induction, 106 00:03:56,770 --> 00:03:58,749 Hillary and of a stainless steel pot we 107 00:03:58,750 --> 00:04:01,029 can stir inside the pot. 108 00:04:01,030 --> 00:04:03,939 The number 11 is the pusher 109 00:04:03,940 --> 00:04:05,169 here it is the pusher. 110 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:07,149 We can push in the vegetables and inside 111 00:04:07,150 --> 00:04:09,099 we have a cutting list that tops your 112 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:11,619 onion and 113 00:04:11,620 --> 00:04:14,399 yeah, and we have a Raspberry Pi 114 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,809 as brain of the device 115 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:18,939 and a Wi-Fi USB stick so we 116 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:20,289 can connect to the world. 117 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:22,689 And we even have a spare Wi-Fi spare 118 00:04:22,690 --> 00:04:24,879 USB where we could add Bluetooth, 119 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,679 for example, to connect to other 120 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,989 connected devices using Bluetooth 121 00:04:28,990 --> 00:04:30,159 and of course, Wi-Fi. 122 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,409 And so we keep it open 123 00:04:32,410 --> 00:04:34,779 to to connect it to all other 124 00:04:34,780 --> 00:04:36,009 kinds of devices. 125 00:04:37,780 --> 00:04:39,969 Version two of the prototype, 126 00:04:39,970 --> 00:04:42,159 we learned we built 127 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,729 everything inside a case. 128 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:45,819 It was no more deepsea standing 129 00:04:45,820 --> 00:04:48,009 around, but we 130 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:50,589 we still had several issues, 131 00:04:50,590 --> 00:04:51,590 but. 132 00:04:52,330 --> 00:04:54,519 Then the next 133 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:55,520 version. 134 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,839 Could cook for many hours, I mean, last 135 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,209 last year, we were cooking, 136 00:05:01,210 --> 00:05:03,249 I don't remember how many dishes from 137 00:05:03,250 --> 00:05:05,619 tempura to deep fry to to pressure 138 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:07,809 cooking, and 139 00:05:07,810 --> 00:05:09,939 we got the whole shield last 140 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:12,129 year and built it into this 141 00:05:12,130 --> 00:05:14,349 version. We we used the open 142 00:05:14,350 --> 00:05:16,719 source design of the Arduino lol shield 143 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,189 to make that matrix. 144 00:05:18,190 --> 00:05:20,559 That's the great thing about having 145 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,799 open source hardware you 146 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,009 you can use. 147 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:26,499 And we share everything. 148 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,559 We made the whole device in 149 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,909 welded stainless steel 150 00:05:31,910 --> 00:05:33,999 sheet metal, which 151 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,519 in the end was not the best idea because 152 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,979 through the welding we got lots of issues 153 00:05:38,980 --> 00:05:39,999 about tolerances. 154 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,429 As soon as you start bringing in heat, 155 00:05:42,430 --> 00:05:44,709 the chimney, for example, was not 156 00:05:44,710 --> 00:05:46,839 around anymore after welding. 157 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:48,999 So we had to move on 158 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 from 159 00:05:51,740 --> 00:05:53,829 from sheet metal to massive 160 00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:55,959 CNCI machined aluminum there. 161 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,149 You do not have problems with precision 162 00:05:58,150 --> 00:06:00,249 anymore. And 163 00:06:00,250 --> 00:06:01,719 as it is, C.A.C. 164 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,359 Machining is not really more expensive 165 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,399 than welding sheet metal because welding 166 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,379 sheet metal is a lot of handwork. 167 00:06:08,380 --> 00:06:10,509 S.A.C. machining is is the machine 168 00:06:10,510 --> 00:06:11,739 doing the job. 169 00:06:11,740 --> 00:06:14,169 And so that's the current 170 00:06:14,170 --> 00:06:14,919 prototype. 171 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,109 And I think it's pretty close 172 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:18,750 to to release 173 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,329 don't see major issues anymore. 174 00:06:22,330 --> 00:06:24,519 So we want to to stick with this 175 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,410 design and. 176 00:06:29,230 --> 00:06:31,329 Yeah, and hopefully bring it out 177 00:06:31,330 --> 00:06:33,459 as soon as possible as a developer's 178 00:06:33,460 --> 00:06:36,039 kit and later make the HOLSEY 179 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,109 certification, we need to be 180 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:39,819 able to sell it fully assembled. 181 00:06:43,860 --> 00:06:46,049 So to make it intelligent, of course, 182 00:06:46,050 --> 00:06:48,119 we need software inside 183 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,519 intelligence means for us, 184 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,769 on one hand, minimize the input from 185 00:06:52,770 --> 00:06:53,909 the user as much. 186 00:06:53,910 --> 00:06:56,879 If the software can anticipate something, 187 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,469 we we would like to do it. 188 00:06:58,470 --> 00:07:00,929 Of course, there will always be a manual 189 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:03,059 mode where you can override 190 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:05,159 it. But if you do 191 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,349 10 or 100 times the same thing 192 00:07:07,350 --> 00:07:09,029 is useful. If the software knows it 193 00:07:09,030 --> 00:07:11,309 already, what you want to do 194 00:07:11,310 --> 00:07:14,009 and the interactivity, 195 00:07:14,010 --> 00:07:16,319 we want to maximize it through, 196 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,629 for example, a progress bar for scaling. 197 00:07:18,630 --> 00:07:21,069 So you tell us three people are eating. 198 00:07:21,070 --> 00:07:23,189 We calculate how many servings, 199 00:07:23,190 --> 00:07:25,229 how many of each ingredient you need. 200 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:27,299 And we will show you on the touch 201 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:28,859 screen a progress bar. 202 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:30,449 Add some recent stop. 203 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:32,459 That's enough because we have the scale 204 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:33,589 inside. 205 00:07:33,590 --> 00:07:35,669 Uh, timing is also tricky 206 00:07:35,670 --> 00:07:38,219 part. So for each cooking step, 207 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:40,349 we assume a cooking time. 208 00:07:40,350 --> 00:07:42,569 So you 209 00:07:42,570 --> 00:07:44,759 think you know how long 210 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,139 it will about take to to cook. 211 00:07:47,140 --> 00:07:49,289 And of course, we want to 212 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:50,469 scale this with quantities. 213 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:52,559 So if you want to cut 214 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,929 or to peel two kilograms 215 00:07:54,930 --> 00:07:57,329 of carrots, we will have a rough estimate 216 00:07:57,330 --> 00:07:58,949 that you won't do it in two minutes. 217 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,939 And beyond cooking, shopping, 218 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:04,259 have sustainability. 219 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:06,719 As I said, uh, data 220 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,509 about nutrients is easily available. 221 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:11,579 More and more shops 222 00:08:11,580 --> 00:08:13,079 have their web shops. 223 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,629 But I think it's quite difficult 224 00:08:15,630 --> 00:08:17,939 if you have 10 shops which 225 00:08:17,940 --> 00:08:20,549 have ten, uh, 226 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:22,739 ten web shops, each one may 227 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:25,169 be changing his 228 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:27,509 available products on a daily 229 00:08:27,510 --> 00:08:29,249 basis. And on the other hand, you have a 230 00:08:29,250 --> 00:08:31,529 recipe and you have to match that recipe 231 00:08:31,530 --> 00:08:33,389 with what's available on the shops. 232 00:08:33,390 --> 00:08:35,788 So that's what we want to bring together 233 00:08:35,789 --> 00:08:37,139 and of course, sustainability. 234 00:08:37,140 --> 00:08:39,329 So you can tell if I'm 235 00:08:39,330 --> 00:08:41,099 here in Hamburg and I want to cook a 236 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:43,168 risotto, is there a local farmer who 237 00:08:43,169 --> 00:08:45,569 can give me the onions instead of taking 238 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:47,909 onions that come from North Africa 239 00:08:47,910 --> 00:08:50,009 or wherever and sharing? 240 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:52,409 Of course, there will be a recording mode 241 00:08:52,410 --> 00:08:53,969 so you can try a recipe. 242 00:08:53,970 --> 00:08:56,099 If you like it, you upload it to 243 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,259 the cloud and all the people can 244 00:08:58,260 --> 00:09:00,659 download it, try it and 245 00:09:00,660 --> 00:09:02,669 maybe give you some feedback, make it a 246 00:09:02,670 --> 00:09:04,679 little bit longer, a little bit shorter, 247 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,439 a little bit hotter 248 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,909 to to get it better. 249 00:09:08,910 --> 00:09:11,189 And I think then through 250 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:14,279 a few iterations we get great recipes 251 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,619 and everyone can exactly reproduce 252 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:18,809 it the first 253 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:19,810 time he cooks it. 254 00:09:21,350 --> 00:09:23,449 The basic infrastructure we have 255 00:09:23,450 --> 00:09:26,119 in the device is currently 256 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,639 we have on on the Raspberry 257 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,739 Pi, the whole may as well 258 00:09:30,740 --> 00:09:32,839 be running because we did not want to 259 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,909 reprogram the whole thing we made on 260 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:36,829 the Web. So we just copied the whole Web 261 00:09:36,830 --> 00:09:38,419 database onto the device. 262 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:40,429 Of course, later on, we will have to 263 00:09:40,430 --> 00:09:41,719 change that. 264 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,099 The Raspberry Pi over GPO has 265 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:46,999 a connection to a problem 266 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,559 or a microcontroller. 267 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:50,719 I'm evaluating different 268 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,159 options for this one. 269 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,589 So this one has no electronics inside. 270 00:09:54,590 --> 00:09:55,609 It's the case. 271 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:57,679 We working on the electronics 272 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:59,839 because the Raspberry Pi cannot 273 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,209 make a real problem. 274 00:10:02,210 --> 00:10:04,249 We we need either a microcontroller, a 275 00:10:04,250 --> 00:10:07,279 dedicated chip to have a precise 276 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,559 figure volume, for example, to control 277 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:11,869 the motor and 278 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:13,939 precise analog to 279 00:10:13,940 --> 00:10:16,099 digital converter 280 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:18,679 is also needed specially for the scale. 281 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:21,049 We tried many things, but below 282 00:10:21,050 --> 00:10:23,229 24 beats ADC resolution. 283 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:25,519 The scale is quite tricky to make, 284 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,709 but there are chips available 285 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:30,139 and we can read them over S.P.I. 286 00:10:30,140 --> 00:10:32,239 So we have to load cells, the pressure 287 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,309 sensor and the temperature sensor 288 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:36,080 going over that ADC. 289 00:10:37,660 --> 00:10:39,789 The interface is now just the 290 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:41,889 Web interface and JavaScript 291 00:10:41,890 --> 00:10:44,379 later, we, of course, want to make an API 292 00:10:44,380 --> 00:10:46,929 so we can have native apps for 293 00:10:46,930 --> 00:10:50,019 better response, responsiveness 294 00:10:50,020 --> 00:10:51,519 of of the interface. 295 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,879 Um, yeah, 296 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,979 we want all data we can 297 00:10:57,980 --> 00:11:00,079 get legally and there's a lot of 298 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,819 data available. 299 00:11:01,820 --> 00:11:03,529 Of course, the recipe is the machine 300 00:11:03,530 --> 00:11:04,489 readable recipes. 301 00:11:04,490 --> 00:11:06,619 As I said, for each step, 302 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:08,659 we want temperature or pressure. 303 00:11:08,660 --> 00:11:09,769 I mean, for pressure cooking. 304 00:11:09,770 --> 00:11:12,289 We want the pressure because we can't fix 305 00:11:12,290 --> 00:11:14,419 pressure and temperature in the same time 306 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:16,699 or we are over different then 307 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:18,739 of course, the weight of the added 308 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:21,019 ingredients rpm of stirring. 309 00:11:21,020 --> 00:11:23,029 How long do you want to stir before we 310 00:11:23,030 --> 00:11:24,739 make pause. 311 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:27,169 So we want to make intermittent stirring 312 00:11:27,170 --> 00:11:29,389 if possible, and duration 313 00:11:29,390 --> 00:11:31,699 of that step and mode modes 314 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:34,159 for the device so the device notes knows 315 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,619 what's coming. If we say it's a scaling 316 00:11:36,620 --> 00:11:39,139 step, the device goes into 317 00:11:39,140 --> 00:11:41,569 scaling mode and for example, turns 318 00:11:41,570 --> 00:11:43,819 the heat off to have less interference 319 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:44,820 on the scale. 320 00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:47,249 Communication is 321 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,979 adjacent, string 322 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:52,799 adjacent. 323 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,439 So it's very easy to use it, it's 324 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,229 and we build it in a way that we can 325 00:11:58,230 --> 00:12:00,329 expand it to zero is the 326 00:12:00,330 --> 00:12:02,399 first temperature sensor. 327 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,039 P0 is the first pressure sensor, M0 328 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,389 is the first motor. 329 00:12:06,390 --> 00:12:08,759 So if you want to build huge devices 330 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,399 with many motors and many sensors, 331 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,469 you can just expand this. 332 00:12:15,380 --> 00:12:18,409 Um, for the ingredients, 333 00:12:18,410 --> 00:12:20,659 of course, we also need 334 00:12:20,660 --> 00:12:22,849 some data we have what 335 00:12:22,850 --> 00:12:23,479 state is it? 336 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,729 This is the freshest dry as is frozen. 337 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:27,229 How long can we store it? 338 00:12:27,230 --> 00:12:29,389 And we directly link it to nutrient 339 00:12:29,390 --> 00:12:31,849 data and later 340 00:12:31,850 --> 00:12:34,069 want to link it to products and stores. 341 00:12:34,070 --> 00:12:36,169 So if an ingredient, 342 00:12:36,170 --> 00:12:38,449 for example, is an onion and we link 343 00:12:38,450 --> 00:12:40,519 it to the farmer who sells this 344 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,520 onion. 345 00:12:42,430 --> 00:12:44,739 Nutrient data, we still 346 00:12:44,740 --> 00:12:47,469 use the American data, 347 00:12:47,470 --> 00:12:49,699 the Swiss guys now also have released 348 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:51,099 the database. 349 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:53,199 There are nearly each country 350 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,499 has a database about nutrient values. 351 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:57,909 Of course, every database comes in a 352 00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:59,449 completely different format. 353 00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:01,149 So it's a bit tricky to get them all 354 00:13:01,150 --> 00:13:03,249 together. But we're working 355 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:05,469 on it. But for now, with the 356 00:13:05,470 --> 00:13:07,659 US data, we can also already 357 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:08,679 do quite a lot. 358 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:13,429 For the products, as I said, 359 00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:15,559 we want to have all 360 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:17,689 products possible, so from 361 00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:19,159 the local farmer to the large 362 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,319 supermarket, I mean, different people 363 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,659 have different 364 00:13:23,660 --> 00:13:25,639 wishes, different. 365 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,709 And if you have the supermarket 366 00:13:27,710 --> 00:13:30,049 in front of the house and have a large 367 00:13:30,050 --> 00:13:32,179 family to feed, maybe you just 368 00:13:32,180 --> 00:13:34,039 need the the cheap food. 369 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,439 And of course, we want to add food 370 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,939 that's maybe not accepted by 371 00:13:37,940 --> 00:13:38,959 supermarkets. 372 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,149 People who have too much food 373 00:13:41,150 --> 00:13:43,279 can also feed it into our database and 374 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,439 just give it away, because I 375 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,989 think it's more useful to to find someone 376 00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:50,299 who wants to cook something with it than 377 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:51,940 just to throw it away. 378 00:13:54,610 --> 00:13:55,610 We want to. 379 00:13:56,530 --> 00:13:58,659 To get all possible feedback, 380 00:13:58,660 --> 00:14:01,359 I mean, on one hand, we have 381 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,609 veiga on our culture. 382 00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:05,709 I call this kind of ethical 383 00:14:05,710 --> 00:14:07,959 criteria for food. 384 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,149 Then, of course, the 385 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:12,309 the criteria, the 386 00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:14,889 how happy were the animals, how 387 00:14:14,890 --> 00:14:17,649 how sustainable is it to 388 00:14:17,650 --> 00:14:20,409 to eat that that fish, local, 389 00:14:20,410 --> 00:14:22,809 organic, gluten free, lactose free. 390 00:14:22,810 --> 00:14:25,929 And we want to make a bad system 391 00:14:25,930 --> 00:14:28,209 where the users can assign a badge 392 00:14:28,210 --> 00:14:30,339 to to some products. 393 00:14:30,340 --> 00:14:32,919 And nonprofit organizations 394 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,029 also can make that. 395 00:14:34,030 --> 00:14:36,129 And so we can quickly react. 396 00:14:36,130 --> 00:14:38,569 Maybe if someone is abusing 397 00:14:38,570 --> 00:14:40,629 an organic label, also, 398 00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:42,549 we we want to react as quickly as 399 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:44,649 possible and through the database, 400 00:14:44,650 --> 00:14:47,109 remove that badge if if it was proven 401 00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:49,269 that that the food is not organic. 402 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,809 The shops, of course, can be from 403 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:56,639 the farm to the supermarket, as I said, 404 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,759 each shop, of course, will have GPS 405 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,869 coordinates. So it's quite easy to. 406 00:15:01,870 --> 00:15:04,719 To find, to shop and 407 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,909 to to know to a sign from 408 00:15:06,910 --> 00:15:08,979 a recipe, how far do I have to 409 00:15:08,980 --> 00:15:10,779 walk to get the ingredients to make the 410 00:15:10,780 --> 00:15:11,780 recipe? 411 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,519 Now, that's more 412 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,859 what I said in the 413 00:15:17,860 --> 00:15:19,989 last talk, summed up what's 414 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:21,039 going on in the world. 415 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,439 It's it's really interesting to see how 416 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,569 how it moved in the last past 417 00:15:25,570 --> 00:15:27,099 years. When I started, people were 418 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:29,379 telling me about Jetson's, about 419 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:30,639 future. 420 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,579 Crazy. 421 00:15:31,580 --> 00:15:33,699 And now more and more people start 422 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:34,929 doing it. 423 00:15:34,930 --> 00:15:37,839 Connected devices come on nearly 424 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,749 on a monthly basis from 425 00:15:40,750 --> 00:15:42,659 connected sweet cookers. 426 00:15:42,660 --> 00:15:44,829 I've seen many connected 427 00:15:44,830 --> 00:15:47,289 frying pans, connected microwave 428 00:15:47,290 --> 00:15:49,359 ovens, connected ovens 429 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,789 from many are 430 00:15:51,790 --> 00:15:53,019 crowdfunding projects. 431 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:55,029 If you go to Kickstarter and Indiegogo, 432 00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:56,769 you see many projects like that coming 433 00:15:56,770 --> 00:15:59,169 up. Some are startups, 434 00:15:59,170 --> 00:16:01,389 for example, the drop kitchen 435 00:16:01,390 --> 00:16:03,459 scale, which 436 00:16:03,460 --> 00:16:05,739 is, uh, the Bluetooth 437 00:16:05,740 --> 00:16:07,599 kitchen scale, which has a great 438 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,689 interface, a great, uh, 439 00:16:10,690 --> 00:16:12,069 interactivity. 440 00:16:12,070 --> 00:16:14,919 And it's basically made for baking 441 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,349 because all that all these baking 442 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:19,299 recipes, you have the flour, the eggs, 443 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:21,639 the milk, and then having a connected 444 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,749 scale is very useful. 445 00:16:22,750 --> 00:16:24,339 I mean, it tells you, give me flour and 446 00:16:24,340 --> 00:16:26,619 just shows your progress, bar stop. 447 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:28,599 And and so you add all ingredients and 448 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,809 then you just mix it and and 449 00:16:30,810 --> 00:16:31,599 and bake it. 450 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,669 But they are limited 451 00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:34,629 to that scale. 452 00:16:34,630 --> 00:16:36,729 They they think in 453 00:16:36,730 --> 00:16:38,859 the future about maybe 454 00:16:38,860 --> 00:16:41,389 open it up for other devices 455 00:16:41,390 --> 00:16:43,210 I'm in contact with. 456 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,739 With the guy from the I have to contact 457 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:48,869 him, but the moment they just launched 458 00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:50,939 its scale over all our 459 00:16:50,940 --> 00:16:53,249 shops in the US, so he's quite 460 00:16:53,250 --> 00:16:55,349 busy, but it's great that that they 461 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:57,569 could start. And we have big brands, 462 00:16:57,570 --> 00:16:59,639 big companies also wanting a 463 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,640 part of the cake. 464 00:17:01,870 --> 00:17:04,179 But still, it's everyone cooking 465 00:17:04,180 --> 00:17:06,249 his little own soup, a mess of 466 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:08,469 standards is coming, I think 467 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:10,719 for three devices you will have three 468 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,489 recipe platforms and you have three 469 00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:15,129 different apps if the manufacturers 470 00:17:15,130 --> 00:17:16,479 don't talk to each other. 471 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,039 The market leader on the connected on the 472 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,409 multifunctional devices here in Europe 473 00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:24,659 is forwork, they launched 474 00:17:24,660 --> 00:17:26,729 this year a new thermo mix, 475 00:17:26,730 --> 00:17:28,889 which now has a touch screen and has 476 00:17:28,890 --> 00:17:30,509 recipe chips. So it has some 477 00:17:30,510 --> 00:17:32,999 intelligence, but 478 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,099 they want to sell the recipe chips 479 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:37,649 together with the cookbooks so they 480 00:17:37,650 --> 00:17:40,109 don't tell you what's inside that recipe 481 00:17:40,110 --> 00:17:41,039 chips. 482 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,659 But it works. 483 00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:44,609 I mean, they sell last news. 484 00:17:44,610 --> 00:17:46,829 I had to sell the device every 485 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:47,879 38 seconds. 486 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,219 So it works, but 487 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:51,189 it's it's complete. 488 00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:53,099 The black box. I contacted them. 489 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:54,269 Do you want to open it up? 490 00:17:54,270 --> 00:17:56,639 Do you maybe want to share your recipes 491 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:57,720 with other devices? 492 00:17:58,930 --> 00:18:01,269 That's definitely not 493 00:18:01,270 --> 00:18:03,579 what they want to do, but I was seeing 494 00:18:03,580 --> 00:18:05,649 first posts on forums 495 00:18:05,650 --> 00:18:07,959 where hackers were looking to reverse 496 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,179 engineer that recipe chip to look what's 497 00:18:10,180 --> 00:18:12,789 inside and how could we add other 498 00:18:12,790 --> 00:18:14,469 recipes to that chip? 499 00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:15,729 I mean, it's four pins. 500 00:18:15,730 --> 00:18:17,199 Maybe it's just USB. 501 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,389 I do not have the device, but as soon 502 00:18:19,390 --> 00:18:21,489 as I get my hands on, I will try 503 00:18:21,490 --> 00:18:22,490 to find out. 504 00:18:23,890 --> 00:18:25,689 Then we have from the small devices, we 505 00:18:25,690 --> 00:18:26,859 have a grill. 506 00:18:26,860 --> 00:18:29,379 It's a grill thermometer, also very, 507 00:18:29,380 --> 00:18:31,689 very successful startup company. 508 00:18:31,690 --> 00:18:33,759 They are probably 509 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,079 more than five years on the market. 510 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,559 This is third generation of the Bluetooth 511 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,659 thermometer, which is basically a great 512 00:18:40,660 --> 00:18:43,599 idea. I mean, you see, you say you have 513 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,699 a sirloin steak 514 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:48,099 you put in, you want wanted medium rare. 515 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:49,599 You put in your temperature sensor. 516 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,399 You say that on your app and your app 517 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,979 calls you when it's time to take 518 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:55,989 your steak off the heat. 519 00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:57,879 You have many kinds of meat. 520 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,099 But I did not find a way 521 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:02,259 to add and share new kinds 522 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:04,419 of meat, new recipes, 523 00:19:04,420 --> 00:19:06,609 and that it's a bit sad. 524 00:19:06,610 --> 00:19:08,379 I mean, the guys at the fruit hacking 525 00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:10,629 base with with Frantisek, 526 00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:12,429 they could use it for fermentation, for 527 00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:14,799 example, could make so many 528 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,659 things with that temperature sensor if it 529 00:19:16,660 --> 00:19:19,149 was not just limited to meat, 530 00:19:19,150 --> 00:19:22,029 but now it's limited to meat. 531 00:19:22,030 --> 00:19:24,459 They invested quite a lot of money 532 00:19:24,460 --> 00:19:26,859 to implement the Apple home kit 533 00:19:26,860 --> 00:19:28,359 infrastructure. 534 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:30,589 But I also tried to talk to them. 535 00:19:30,590 --> 00:19:33,279 Do you have some kind of recipe database 536 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,039 you want to share now that 537 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,040 it's not available? 538 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,029 Then we have said large manufacturer 539 00:19:41,030 --> 00:19:43,149 from France, they 540 00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:45,239 launched a few months ago 541 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,379 or maybe one month ago that connected to 542 00:19:47,380 --> 00:19:49,569 kill the Cuchillo, they 543 00:19:49,570 --> 00:19:51,339 made three generations of an intelligent 544 00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,439 pressure cooker. The first one had 50 545 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,670 built in recipe's. 546 00:19:55,910 --> 00:19:58,069 The second one had a USB plug 547 00:19:58,070 --> 00:20:00,199 for USB keys to add more recipe, 548 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,809 and now the new one has 549 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:05,239 has a Bluetooth connection. 550 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,669 They created a project they call Open 551 00:20:07,670 --> 00:20:10,309 Food System in 2012 552 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:12,409 with many partners 553 00:20:12,410 --> 00:20:14,179 involved from universities. 554 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:15,920 Specialists around nutrition 555 00:20:17,660 --> 00:20:19,969 say it's about more than 10 million 556 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:22,309 euros that were invested, probably 557 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:25,339 also a part coming from from 558 00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:27,439 government funding. 559 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,599 And they 560 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,869 told me it will be finished in 2015, 561 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:34,909 the open food system. 562 00:20:34,910 --> 00:20:37,129 But they didn't tell me, will it be 563 00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:39,019 buried or will it be launched? 564 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:40,069 Will it be? 565 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:42,319 And it's not so easy 566 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,469 to find out what what they mean by open. 567 00:20:45,470 --> 00:20:47,929 But what I heard 568 00:20:47,930 --> 00:20:49,999 from the project manager of the 569 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,279 CUCHILLO is that the app 570 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,469 they made for the connected cooker 571 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:56,269 has nothing to do with the open food 572 00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:57,229 system. 573 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:59,359 So I was thinking, well, why are 574 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,329 you building such a nice ecosystem? 575 00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:04,219 And then you make a connected device 576 00:21:04,220 --> 00:21:06,649 which with an independent development. 577 00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:08,719 And it's amazing to see 578 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,849 about the Cuchillo, how communities 579 00:21:10,850 --> 00:21:12,979 can develop because 580 00:21:12,980 --> 00:21:15,109 there's a huge Facebook community 581 00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:17,509 has about 36000 582 00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:19,699 members, uh, French speaking 583 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:21,859 community service, a French company, 584 00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:23,869 and they made a huge collection of 585 00:21:23,870 --> 00:21:24,799 recipes. 586 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,779 That's the index of it. 587 00:21:26,780 --> 00:21:28,619 It's a Google doc. 588 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:30,989 If you click off on one 589 00:21:30,990 --> 00:21:33,989 of the recipes, 590 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:36,599 you see a jpeg with 591 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,340 the how to cook it. 592 00:21:39,630 --> 00:21:42,119 And so I think yeah, 593 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,639 and it's all in French, of course, so 594 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,189 as soon as you don't speak French, 595 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:49,539 you have no access to that recipes. 596 00:21:49,540 --> 00:21:51,629 And since this JPEG 597 00:21:51,630 --> 00:21:53,579 is just fixed, you cannot scale 598 00:21:53,580 --> 00:21:55,469 quantities and so on. 599 00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:57,569 So maybe it would be interesting to 600 00:21:57,570 --> 00:21:59,819 connect that huge community of users 601 00:21:59,820 --> 00:22:02,419 are creating a massive amount 602 00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,679 of data and and great 603 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,749 content to 604 00:22:06,750 --> 00:22:08,879 tool called Open 605 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,189 Food System or our recipe database 606 00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:12,299 or whatever. 607 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,369 But it's interesting, they are kind 608 00:22:14,370 --> 00:22:16,469 of hacking that device because the 609 00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:18,809 original device had 50 recipes. 610 00:22:18,810 --> 00:22:21,219 And you see 611 00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:24,029 advices like use the broccoli recipe 612 00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:26,129 to to make caramel cream 613 00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:27,599 or something because it's the same 614 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,559 cooking time. 615 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,749 So out of these 50 recipes, you can 616 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:33,089 make nearly 617 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:35,339 infinite amount 618 00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:37,529 of of new things if you just 619 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:39,929 know, OK, I have to to use the device 620 00:22:39,930 --> 00:22:40,930 in that way. 621 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:45,389 Then we have the chef myself 622 00:22:45,390 --> 00:22:46,159 community. 623 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,629 They also try to make an ecosystem 624 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:50,609 is a consortium also of many companies 625 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,429 and other large kitchen device 626 00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:54,599 manufacturers. 627 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:55,739 They make gourmet cook. 628 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:58,349 It's actually competitive of the food mix 629 00:22:58,350 --> 00:23:00,389 with a nice touch screen with Wi-Fi. 630 00:23:00,390 --> 00:23:02,639 This one has Wi-Fi and 631 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,979 they now are focused on an ecosystem 632 00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:07,259 for older people to to give them give 633 00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:08,460 them back some autonomy. 634 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,449 But at least with these guys, I 635 00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:14,819 am in in touch and 636 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:16,919 I try to explain them, look, we we 637 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,909 should make it only for all the people, 638 00:23:18,910 --> 00:23:20,399 we should make it bigger. 639 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,499 We should connect all kinds 640 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,509 of devices, all kinds of people to that 641 00:23:24,510 --> 00:23:27,209 ecosystem to make it more living. 642 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:29,220 And they are thinking about it. 643 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,839 The great project, of course, is 644 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,259 the open food fact community. 645 00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:37,669 Uh, it's a French guy called 646 00:23:37,670 --> 00:23:39,979 Stefaan who started that, 647 00:23:39,980 --> 00:23:42,349 I think, where you can scan 648 00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:44,329 the barcode and you get data about the 649 00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:45,409 ingredients. 650 00:23:45,410 --> 00:23:47,779 This is mostly focused on prepared 651 00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:50,149 foods, not on 652 00:23:50,150 --> 00:23:51,439 pure fresh food. 653 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,809 But it's a lot a lot of useful 654 00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:54,839 data. 655 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,749 If you have some kind of sauce and you 656 00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:58,999 have allergies, maybe it's 657 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,489 useful to know, can I eat 658 00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:03,679 this sauce or does it have some 659 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,329 ingredients that will cause allergies 660 00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:06,349 with me? 661 00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:08,509 So, yeah, and it's an it 662 00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:10,129 has an open API. 663 00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:12,349 So we will try to to use 664 00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:14,119 this data with our recipes. 665 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,249 Connect this both together 666 00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:17,250 for. 667 00:24:18,140 --> 00:24:20,739 For helping the user don't Stefanski 668 00:24:20,740 --> 00:24:22,770 to continue concerts, Zhenia. 669 00:24:24,650 --> 00:24:27,319 And yeah, what? 670 00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:31,189 What's all the opportunities, 671 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:32,509 um. 672 00:24:33,530 --> 00:24:35,930 We have on the hardware side, 673 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:40,189 if someone wants to make an open source 674 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:42,469 and open source hardware or 675 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:44,599 any device that we could 676 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,909 connect to our database because 677 00:24:46,910 --> 00:24:48,709 now we have more and more devices, but 678 00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:50,899 still with the devices around, I have 679 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:52,249 no idea how to connect them. 680 00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:55,989 To, um, 681 00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:58,089 to our data, 682 00:24:58,090 --> 00:25:00,459 and you'll probably 683 00:25:00,460 --> 00:25:02,799 see that more devices, the more people 684 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,999 we have, the more it gets. 685 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,729 Interesting hacking competitors, 686 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:08,799 of course, I mean, the ones that 687 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,869 are close to us, I don't want to them to 688 00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:12,219 stay close to us. 689 00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:14,769 So I offer one every cook to everyone 690 00:25:14,770 --> 00:25:17,829 who opens up a clotheshorse device. 691 00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:19,959 So if either it's the Cuchillo or 692 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,539 the firebombings or whatever, if 693 00:25:22,540 --> 00:25:24,519 if they don't tell us how it works, we 694 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,190 will find it out and. 695 00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:31,179 Then we have two devices connected 696 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:32,979 to the database and more devices 697 00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:35,649 connected to the base, and 698 00:25:35,650 --> 00:25:37,659 yeah, we will get a device and if you 699 00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:39,849 want, you are on the Hall of Fame of 700 00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:42,489 our device of our Web 701 00:25:42,490 --> 00:25:43,659 website. 702 00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:46,189 If you want to stay anonymous, 703 00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:48,429 of course, it's no problem at all 704 00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:49,899 on the software side. 705 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:51,939 We also have a lot to do with the text to 706 00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:54,399 speech. Output is somehow 707 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,199 working already. 708 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,389 Then route planning for shopping 709 00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:00,579 and an app for collecting data 710 00:26:00,580 --> 00:26:01,839 in the supermarkets because the 711 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,939 supermarkets also they are not very 712 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:06,189 willing to to share what 713 00:26:06,190 --> 00:26:08,529 is in which supermarket. 714 00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:10,659 So it could be the 715 00:26:10,660 --> 00:26:12,129 idea to turn it around. 716 00:26:12,130 --> 00:26:14,499 Having the camera 717 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,659 and the GPS sensor and the barcode 718 00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:19,329 reader in each pocket around here, 719 00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:22,179 we could get the data and find out 720 00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:23,979 what products are available where. 721 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,379 And a virtual fridge to 722 00:26:27,380 --> 00:26:29,629 know I have this in stock and 723 00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:31,699 I should eat it tomorrow because 724 00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:33,889 it's going to be bad, it's also a very 725 00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:35,959 useful feature we don't have 726 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,279 yet. 727 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,289 And you probably also have many other 728 00:26:39,290 --> 00:26:41,359 ideas how we could grow that 729 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,089 ecosystem, make it more useful. 730 00:26:45,340 --> 00:26:47,829 Um, yeah, so for this, 731 00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:49,869 we would be very happy to find 732 00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:52,239 programers, user 733 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,449 interface designers. 734 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:55,599 I mean, we have a working prototype, but 735 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,479 the user experience is not perfect yet. 736 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,789 I'm the electronics mechanics guy 737 00:27:00,790 --> 00:27:02,139 and I also do the marketing. 738 00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:03,129 I am also the CEO. 739 00:27:03,130 --> 00:27:05,829 So it's it's a bit too much. 740 00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:07,179 Uh, yeah. 741 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:09,190 Every help is welcome 742 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,739 at the moment. 743 00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:14,319 Uh, it's difficult to pay salaries 744 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,599 if someone of, you know, business 745 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,999 angels or investors 746 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,859 tell them as soon as we get money, we 747 00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:23,080 will pay salaries and. 748 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,029 And yeah, as I said 749 00:27:27,030 --> 00:27:29,309 on the bottom line, money 750 00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:30,959 solves many problems. 751 00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:34,949 So that's basically 752 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:35,519 it. 753 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,009 Um, we really 754 00:27:38,010 --> 00:27:39,629 I'm not sure if the Fajar cooking 755 00:27:39,630 --> 00:27:41,789 already, but we will definitely 756 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:43,139 cook them today. 757 00:27:43,140 --> 00:27:45,179 So it's at the Fuks hacking base. 758 00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:47,429 Just follow this direction 759 00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:49,649 along the wall and you will 760 00:27:49,650 --> 00:27:51,149 find us. 761 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:53,309 And I also wanted 762 00:27:53,310 --> 00:27:55,979 to show you our nice video 763 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:58,139 about the futures, but I was so in 764 00:27:58,140 --> 00:27:59,969 my talk that I forgot it. 765 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:02,729 So we can catch this up now. 766 00:28:02,730 --> 00:28:04,649 Shouldn't a cooker built for our times do 767 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:06,150 more than just heat up your food? 768 00:28:07,530 --> 00:28:10,019 Meet the new every car designed 769 00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:11,879 in Switzerland. Every cook includes a 770 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,739 powerful heater with precise temperature 771 00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:15,749 regulation from melting chocolate at low 772 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:17,339 temperatures to deep frying and high 773 00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:19,709 temperatures. You can do everything. 774 00:28:19,710 --> 00:28:21,539 We've added a full computer and advanced 775 00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:23,819 electronics. We've even left USB ports 776 00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:25,560 free to add more features in the future. 777 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:28,239 The intelligence software connects over 778 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,399 Wi-Fi to every recipe store and get you 779 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,649 new recipes, you can use your mobile 780 00:28:32,650 --> 00:28:34,329 phone to select your favorite ingredients 781 00:28:34,330 --> 00:28:36,519 and get the latest suggestions. 782 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,349 Every code even gives you a customized 783 00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:39,350 shopping list. 784 00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:44,099 The powerful motor cut your vegetables 785 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:45,929 directly into the stainless steel pot for 786 00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:46,930 cooking. 787 00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:51,489 The story keeps moving your food so 788 00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:52,660 nothing sticks to the bottom. 789 00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:56,959 The story can be intermittent or 790 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,430 continuous at different speeds. 791 00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:03,529 For Pressure-Cooker, there is a pressure 792 00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:04,919 to cover with a safety valve. 793 00:29:08,030 --> 00:29:09,589 When the cooking time is over, the 794 00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:11,149 program will automatically open the 795 00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:13,159 release valve and safely release the 796 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,160 steam. 797 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,879 Did you know that pressure cooking is two 798 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,859 times faster and saves the vitamins? 799 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:23,519 To get the quantities right, we have 800 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,520 interactive scaling, 801 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:27,959 every coach shows you a progress bar so 802 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,970 you can just pour until it's a stop. 803 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:38,029 Join our community of early adopters. 804 00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:42,779 Visitors on every cook dog. 805 00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:51,139 And thank you. 806 00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:52,140 Thank you. 807 00:29:54,550 --> 00:29:56,589 Actually, the video was made with Blendr 808 00:29:56,590 --> 00:29:58,869 also opensource and 809 00:29:58,870 --> 00:30:01,269 yeah, if you can use Blender, 810 00:30:01,270 --> 00:30:03,099 you can make such nice videos. 811 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,829 It's a great man in 812 00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:07,449 Poland who made it for us. 813 00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:10,999 And as I said, 814 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,189 it's all open source, all the details 815 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:15,259 you see, they come from the SEAD model 816 00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:17,329 and SEAD model is is on grap 817 00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:18,319 cards, dot com. 818 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,269 It's a great platform where you can 819 00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:22,789 navigate through a whole assembly 820 00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:25,129 and there you can really watch 821 00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:28,039 each screw and open it up, 822 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,499 hide some parts and look at some parts. 823 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:31,500 So. 824 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,179 Yeah, if if 825 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:36,399 there are mechanical engineers in 826 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,439 here, it's always great to have someone 827 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,379 looking through and seeing, oh, something 828 00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:44,269 to tide here or Toulouse over here. 829 00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:45,760 Yeah. So. 830 00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:49,009 That's a bit early for the questions, 831 00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:50,659 but. 832 00:30:50,660 --> 00:30:53,049 I think we can move on to the questions. 833 00:30:53,050 --> 00:30:54,279 Yes, please. 834 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,649 I think we shall start the Q&A session 835 00:30:56,650 --> 00:30:57,909 then right away. 836 00:30:57,910 --> 00:30:59,829 Um, one announcement for the audio 837 00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:01,149 recording of the whole session. 838 00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:03,219 Please do not talk during the 839 00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:04,149 question and answer. 840 00:31:04,150 --> 00:31:07,119 So the question and answer is for Alexis 841 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,319 and the questioners. 842 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,359 And because I am standing here, we will 843 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,669 start with microphone to first, 844 00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:13,929 then go to microphone one. 845 00:31:13,930 --> 00:31:16,659 And we have something from the Internet 846 00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:18,189 on a question from Internet. 847 00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:19,389 OK, then please. 848 00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:21,039 Microphone to play. 849 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,899 Um, nice talk, by the way. 850 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,059 And, uh, you mentioned the French 851 00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:27,909 recipes and this this Xperia. 852 00:31:27,910 --> 00:31:29,739 Have you thought about internationalization 853 00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:32,379 of recipe of your recipe database? 854 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:34,689 Yes, that I forgot 855 00:31:34,690 --> 00:31:36,129 to mention, but that's a good point. 856 00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:38,499 If if you start having a recipe built 857 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,989 out of building blocks, you translate 858 00:31:40,990 --> 00:31:42,789 the building blocks and you can translate 859 00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:44,859 the ten thousands of recipes that 860 00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:46,209 are built out of them. 861 00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:48,459 And we need 862 00:31:48,460 --> 00:31:49,809 to have building blocks to make it 863 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:52,029 machine readable. So currently our 864 00:31:52,030 --> 00:31:54,579 database is English and German 865 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,319 just to prove it works. 866 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,509 But you just add one table for each new 867 00:31:58,510 --> 00:32:00,640 language and all recipes get translated. 868 00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:04,989 Microphone one, please. 869 00:32:04,990 --> 00:32:07,359 I am a chef or I used to be a chef 870 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,519 anyway, and my I've got 871 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,619 two questions. One is about 872 00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:13,989 your device and the expected retail 873 00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:16,449 price vs. 874 00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:18,159 the art of actually having to cook 875 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,109 yourself and learning when to put the 876 00:32:20,110 --> 00:32:22,419 potatoes and when to put in the chili 877 00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:23,889 and so forth. So that's the first 878 00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:26,169 question the economics of 879 00:32:26,170 --> 00:32:28,299 your, you know, data 880 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:30,429 centric device versus 881 00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:32,439 doing everything in analog format. 882 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,179 And the second question is, you 883 00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:36,459 specifically targeted the 884 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:39,199 retail market for households. 885 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,929 Um, is there a reason why you didn't go 886 00:32:40,930 --> 00:32:42,160 for the industrial scale? 887 00:32:43,790 --> 00:32:45,140 OK, um. 888 00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:48,849 Maybe first to the second 889 00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:50,050 question, uh, 890 00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:53,499 we we know from 891 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,479 we know the size of the retail market, 892 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,279 that's the good thing. About three weeks, 893 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,899 they publish an annual report and they 894 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:01,869 they sold devices for eight hundred 895 00:33:01,870 --> 00:33:02,809 millions last year. 896 00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:04,959 So there's certainly a market on 897 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,960 the. 898 00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:08,849 On the in the restaurants, 899 00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:10,949 I am also sure that there is a 900 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:13,109 market, but I, I, I do not 901 00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:14,129 have access to it. 902 00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:16,169 I think as soon as we have this one here 903 00:33:16,170 --> 00:33:18,479 running, I will go to both. 904 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,149 I will on one hand put it on the website 905 00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:23,459 for for private customers, but 906 00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:26,039 I will meet many chefs 907 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,599 and talk to them. 908 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,729 For a chef, probably five liters is a bit 909 00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:30,730 small, 910 00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:33,989 but four for a sauce. 911 00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:36,089 So five liters also make a lot 912 00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:37,169 of servings. 913 00:33:37,170 --> 00:33:39,329 So I think for yeah, we 914 00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:41,639 could start and figure 915 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,529 out how how good is the interactivity? 916 00:33:43,530 --> 00:33:45,180 How is it for you as a chef, 917 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:49,019 how how much guidance do you want 918 00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:51,179 or how much do you want to be free to, to 919 00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:53,369 do what, what, what 920 00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:54,149 you like. 921 00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:56,219 So what's your estimated 922 00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:57,220 retail price. 923 00:33:59,340 --> 00:34:00,659 What difficult price? 924 00:34:00,660 --> 00:34:02,109 I mean. 925 00:34:02,110 --> 00:34:04,389 Um, I 926 00:34:04,390 --> 00:34:07,149 would prefer not to say it, because 927 00:34:07,150 --> 00:34:09,428 there's still some variables 928 00:34:09,429 --> 00:34:11,589 I have quotations ranging from 929 00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:12,999 here to here. 930 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,218 So if the guy gets it 931 00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:17,289 done for the low price, I can 932 00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:19,509 make it four thousand five hundred 933 00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:21,609 and and still have a little bit of 934 00:34:21,610 --> 00:34:22,569 margin left. 935 00:34:22,570 --> 00:34:24,968 But if that guy just quoted for 936 00:34:24,969 --> 00:34:27,189 too cheap and will deliver poor 937 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,259 quality, it will probably 938 00:34:29,260 --> 00:34:31,928 be more because it's it's made all 939 00:34:31,929 --> 00:34:33,999 of aluminum, it's its strong 940 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,069 metal. So it will have 941 00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:38,289 some price. But I think for 942 00:34:38,290 --> 00:34:40,479 for a professional kitchen where 943 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,819 where you have devices going 944 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:45,009 to turn thousands and more, I 945 00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:46,510 think it would be a very good price. 946 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:49,849 I've got another question, if nobody has 947 00:34:49,850 --> 00:34:50,850 a. 948 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,849 Um, microphone four, please. 949 00:34:53,850 --> 00:34:56,099 Um, um, I have a 950 00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,409 first really quick suggestion, but people 951 00:34:58,410 --> 00:35:00,389 who you could talk to, I don't know if 952 00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:02,189 you ever contacted the food assembly, 953 00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:04,349 there might be people who 954 00:35:04,350 --> 00:35:05,759 you might be interested in talking to 955 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,099 their network of farmers and 956 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:09,119 buyers. 957 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,579 And a question, um, 958 00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:14,279 about in terms of opportunities, 959 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,619 I feel like they could also be, um, 960 00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:19,079 a a place for 961 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,149 content and information 962 00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:24,179 about the foods in terms of, um, 963 00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:26,429 patents on seeds and issues 964 00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:28,859 such as bio piracy, traditional knowledge 965 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:30,239 of the use of plants. That could be 966 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,489 interesting to maybe link 967 00:35:32,490 --> 00:35:34,559 through because you're tackling the topic 968 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,549 of food. 969 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:37,769 And so you really have a really 970 00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:39,629 good access point for this topic. 971 00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:41,249 Do you think that could work? 972 00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:44,969 Yes, I think that that could 973 00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:47,159 be easily integrated into 974 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,229 that badge system we want 975 00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:50,489 to have. 976 00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:52,619 So now it's a question, do you want to 977 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:55,079 have a positive or negative 978 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,429 aspect of it? 979 00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:58,559 You could make a badge to say it's 980 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,689 patent free and GMO free 981 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:02,969 to to have a positive approach 982 00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:03,749 to it. 983 00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:05,849 But I think that that would be definitely 984 00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:08,079 makes sense, because patents on seeds 985 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,139 is what I think could also be 986 00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:11,789 interesting in that sense would be maybe 987 00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:14,009 to actually write the story of 988 00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:16,349 the of the ingredients being used 989 00:36:16,350 --> 00:36:17,489 and and. Yeah. 990 00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:18,389 And the. Yeah. 991 00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:19,889 Traditional knowledge, because this 992 00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:21,569 disseminating the information also makes 993 00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:23,789 it more difficult to patent afterwards 994 00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:25,799 because it's been out there in the public 995 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,249 domain already now. 996 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:31,489 Yes, we will have to see where 997 00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:33,409 we draw the line, I mean, of course, we 998 00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:35,929 want to have as much data as possible, 999 00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:38,179 but for for some things, 1000 00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:40,189 we thought we could also just link to 1001 00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:42,409 Wikipedia and have have 1002 00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:44,479 just that that existing link. 1003 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,029 So if you have the data on your platform, 1004 00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:49,009 maybe linking is a better option than 1005 00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:51,259 pulling it into our database. 1006 00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:52,849 But let's stay in touch. 1007 00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:55,209 That's certainly useful. 1008 00:36:55,210 --> 00:36:57,319 Thanks. OK, microphone 1009 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,320 three, please. 1010 00:36:59,060 --> 00:36:59,329 Hi. 1011 00:36:59,330 --> 00:37:01,189 So first of all, really big kudos for 1012 00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:02,809 keeping it open and like working on 1013 00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:04,159 networking with other projects. 1014 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,779 That's really great. 1015 00:37:05,780 --> 00:37:06,980 And my question is 1016 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:10,309 somehow around branding, because 1017 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:12,169 I see that you work on this hardware 1018 00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:14,539 product, which is sort of your startup, 1019 00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:16,099 and this is kind of the commercial aspect 1020 00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,229 in it. And also you work with 1021 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:20,599 the knowledge base is 1022 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,489 data about food and so on. 1023 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:24,499 And I wonder how much you would like to 1024 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,749 associate with your brand 1025 00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:28,339 and how much you would like to keep more 1026 00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:30,799 in like neutral this open food facts 1027 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,899 and open product data that's also 1028 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,669 Open Food Network, which to some open 1029 00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:35,719 source software. 1030 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,039 So the question like, do you have like 1031 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,259 some kind of interest in keeping this 1032 00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:41,149 knowledge associated strongly with your 1033 00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:43,219 brand? Or you kind of feel 1034 00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:45,349 open to work with more natural brands and 1035 00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:47,029 like don't focus on your product with 1036 00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:47,719 branding. 1037 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,819 We we 1038 00:37:49,820 --> 00:37:52,249 inside our start up company, we 1039 00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:54,439 were even discussing about 1040 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,539 do we make the hardware or do we focus on 1041 00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:57,799 the platform. 1042 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,379 So and for the platform, we created 1043 00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:01,759 the name called Decmil. 1044 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,979 So digital meal 1045 00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:06,199 info and we probably will move 1046 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,449 all the platform from the ever 1047 00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:10,609 cook domain where it is now to a digital 1048 00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:13,699 domain to have it independent because 1049 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,009 it is strongly linked, but it's 1050 00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:17,239 something completely different. 1051 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,979 Of course, one is the Web platform and 1052 00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:20,359 one is the device. 1053 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,939 And so 1054 00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:25,119 the current working title is the 1055 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,159 Jamil's. 1056 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,219 We can't find another name for it 1057 00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:30,439 and we we really want 1058 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,849 to to keep it open. 1059 00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:34,189 And yeah. 1060 00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:36,319 So that's that's 1061 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,599 the I mean, we we released all the code 1062 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,359 we wrote until now on the GPL 1063 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,579 version. Free's probably 1064 00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:44,580 there's no way back in.