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Thank you very much for accepting my dog
for coming here.
Also, thank you very much for giving me
the cable Internet.
I ask for it, but there is only cable.
There is no socket to put
it in here.
So it will be maybe a bit slower
than I expected and maybe I even
have to show a bit less
of what I intended.
OK, if you can imagine from
the title of my work subtitle
of my work description
and the images that are in there
now, I'm going to talk about the earlier
World Wide Web.
And I have a lot of
I have a lot to show to share with you.
And I'm a bit afraid that there will
be not enough time.
And then for the conclusion.
So let me please make
some statements right
now.
So what I am and
and the last.
So final
originally Philmont statements,
what I am going to show to
you now has
nothing to do with nostalgia.
I am not showing through your out of
nostalgia and I
really believe that making Web
pages is one of the
most conscious activities
made specific conscious activities
that computer users
can do in
this world.
And also there is
a making a web page
is something worth where
you historically you learn how things
work.
You write the code
historically, also
making the Web page meant
to answer some existential questions.
So it was,
let's say, also a philosophical exercise
in philosophy because you had to answer
questions, actually, who
am I? What do I have to say to the world?
And it's a bit what
should my page be about now?
And this is a bit more than to
answer the question of today,
like, what are you doing today or
who is on this photo now,
though, of course, you also can't
underestimate such questions.
Well, so you had to answer
existential questions.
And if you find out
that you don't actually have anything to
say to this world about yourself,
about anything, you can't even make
a hate Beckstead
page or a Beckstead
Web page, then you can still be
node in the network.
So you can create a Web page with the
links to other Web pages.
So I'm going to talk now about the time
that when Web pages
were made like this, like when
users thought that they
are responsible for providing
links to search engines
and not vice versa.
And it's also a time when
users warm open
source codes of other users
Web pages and making their own.
And this is how they learn.
And so and we're
making a world wide web bigger,
bigger and bigger.
And this is yeah, it's very
important to keep this activity
alive in order
to resist the algorithmic
overcommunication and Selter presentation
that we have today.
And they also should mention that I am
very happy, in fact, about
today's situation online,
because I see that there is already
a second wave of interest to
the early web.
The first one was, let's say,
six, seven years ago when
there was interest to animated GIFs, to
under-construction under-construction
science, to all the visuals.
And yes, so
Stobo Gronstal to the esthetics.
And today, we fortunately have
initiatives where
the fact of
making the Web page, the concept and
the structure I put in front,
I mean, such initiatives
as neocon's dot org
as still the club
and as superglued the
projects that motivate to
go away from the timeline
and to make your own Web pages and
to link to the Web pages.
I am also somebody who,
if you may remember my talk last
year, I am somebody who fights
for the right of the users and
insists that such category
as computer users should exist,
shouldn't disappear from the language,
and the user should be educated
about the noble role.
And that's why.
No, not. That's why.
Sorry. I also want to mention that last
year when Julian Assange said
assists system administrators of
the world unite, it
was quite an excluding
appeal. And this year Applebaum
actually corrected it and said that the
community should unite.
And I think that also this appeal
should be extended even
more. And these are computer users
who should unite.
But for this, computer users, again,
should be educated.
And remember that using something
it is means active position.
Being computer user means to bring
system in action.
And this is
something what it had to be reworked.
We have to come up, come back
to this.
Thirty years ago, old
ideas.
Well, and that's why I am sure.
And. You what I'm going through now,
because, well, if we talk about the users
and power of the users, we can't
skip these pages in the
history of the
of the Internet,
of the Web and of the computer users.
So having now
said that, let me please greet
you properly.
Hello, my honey bandshell.
OK, what you just said now,
it is a trailer for a
longer film, which is called Skywriting,
and this film features
the Web pages from the Josaitis
archive that uses this well,
complain on the top
of it there.
What you see just now here, some
of them, the whole the interface
would look like this.
So they part of the huge database we
have at this moment, and we
are myself and
Druggan, especially former computer
musician, one part of understanding
thousand band.
He is also a artist.
And he is at this moment the digital
conservator in Rhizome, New
York.
We put together Josaitis Research
Institute and we make one terabyte
of Kilobyte each Brodrick project
keep it alive.
We have a stamp
and all this.
And I should say now this is a bit
like the end of the story
because it is what it is, 2014.
And when
I started, I would like now to go
a bit back in time
to go to nineteen ninety five
when I started to work with the World
Wide Web and it looked
like this.
All right, that's.
This is also a
snapshot from that time.
Yeah, and I started to make things
at the time that I wanted to look quite
different from this bright lower than
the dynamic in another sense
of the world, what
World Wide Web.
So I created the projects that
were different and it
was already the end of the nineties
or let's say, yeah,
it was the end of the nineties when I
started to teach Internet design
and network.
And this was when
I realized that actually pages
that I was
trying to forget in my work
that I try to distance from that from
what I wanted to be different.
They just disappear from them
from the Web.
It was around 2000 when it became
completely clear that the amateur
culture, the culture of the web
is removed
now from the from the Web.
And since that time
is that that's the way to make works
that are actually celebrating
this early Web culture.
Just some examples.
But to show this one, I have to go to the
virtual machine, to windows
and even to start
leaving to start an explorer.
This work is from 2004
and it's only made from the font
gives.
Gifts from the three collections
of gifts.
And there would be more and more
revealed.
And another important thing at
that time.
It was
for Dragon and me was
that it is this work is for the Broza
and it also not celebrates and you make
it easy, but celebrates Beroza
and the scrollbar.
You know, it's 2004.
But the war is the war on scrollbar
ologist started at the time.
Now it's almost the end.
But we still sometimes can see.
Now I have to wait for the
right with the world.
The book is called Gravity.
Yes, now I can close the show
and come back to my sister.
Another another work from the same time,
which goes in the same direction, is
called midnight, and there
we wanted to bring back
the navigation elements from the
earlier ship that were at this moment
substituted by one
omnipresent
slide bar, which we know from Google
Maps. It's, again, almost 10 years old
project. So at that time,
Slide Bar looked like this.
So you can't really it's
not functional.
But when you start when
you start to use it, you review all these
tiny graphics that
early Web users
created, stole,
found, whatever, because
they did not they didn't like what
interface designers were providing.
They did not believe in the back
and forward buttons of the browser.
And they wanted to have their own
structure of their
their own navigation, let's put it
like this.
Yeah. So after many,
many years of appropriating and
bringing to them in
front the earlier Web culture, I
decided to become a gift model
myself.
So I wanted to give back
to the community
I wanted. It's 2005.
And I wanted I wanted to be
used on the Web pages believing
that people were still making the Web
pages.
This is this small window here, my
showroom of the time.
So I showed to you here that
I am a perfect loop and
that I will look good on every
background.
Yeah. So use me on the
Web pages.
And this is.
This I have this
a lot of my needs look amended
and there is a YouTube
channel here where I document
where I finally found myself on what
pages I was used,
and it's very
satisfying.
Yeah, this is hour.
And if we talk about the history, please
remember that this is what what animated
gif is. It is used not to be posted
somewhere. It's not to be
to make a
loop of your favorite film.
The role was to be to appear
on another webpage.
And when you would make your own
give, you would make it
in a way that others would be
able to use it for
just a moment if you were still by
this connection.
Yeah, I will go here.
Sure.
This is where
all my projects could be found.
And yeah, I'm
making the timelines also for animated
GIFs.
So they're following the
history. And this may be an
anybody here ever used this lady
on their Web page.
She's a bit strange.
This you can't really move legs like
this, but maybe
this was the reason why it was used on
so, so many Web pages around
96.
And then here, what we have here
is the next period
in the history. It's around 2004, 2006.
Then Geeves became much, much
bigger, glittering and static.
This was the main thing.
Yeah. And this all the MySpace stuff.
This is the period.
Then GIFs start
new wave of the interest.
They were very esthetically pleasing,
perfect loops at that moment.
But it would never be transparency
because it would be it's at this time,
it's already about just showing
gifts to each other, not using them.
And the Web pages.
And this is very
specific for today's moment
that they give, which has this
moment of
it's not perfect loop.
Yeah, it starts again and again.
And on one hand, maybe it comes from
not actually the idea that it doesn't
matter at this moment. It's just a trend
at this particular time.
But there is also an alternative history
I can show to here.
This is my idol.
Maybe I know her. And this is again, this
is around 2004.
This is Heaven.
Your favorite film is
film moments.
Loopt Yeah.
And this is something what we have
now is something important.
So so-called gifts with sound.
I read everything.
What they do is, of course, very
subjective, so you can make your own
timelines, but you can also
spread my.
So I will continue to
show the to you saw what was happening
before one terabyte project, this is
our effort to recreate
Facebook, Google Plus and
YouTube as if they were made in
2000 in.
As if they were made in 1997
and not in 2004.
This is YouTube.
There is also Pinterest.
And yeah, so it
was you know, now I say
exactly about 1997,
because it's important for me to
also to emphasize that right now that we
can't just talk about the 90s
as some Web style.
Every year, almost every half a year,
there was something different happening.
And for example, 1997 disappearance
of Netscape communicator.
And this is when you could say
this was already the beginning of
something, what would end up as social
networks and
such hosting services.
So Web as
for applications, not for the
Web pages.
Yeah. And
talking about the styles when they showed
the screenshots like this.
Yeah. This
like that.
Something like this, again,
here, you would say, yeah,
exactly, this is the classic appearance
of the web of the 90s, but here I
want to confront you with my
with my timeline of the
design styles of the time and
to tell you that usually we only
see this vernacular VEP
as a dominant style or for
that time and forget about something,
what I called prov doctor that
was before this crazy amateur
before something what was called
Jurisich is 96 after
in design circles and also
the designers period
that started in 1997, the first
attempts and this product,
it is an important phenomena.
So it's this.
In 1993, the first Web browser
browsers its mosaic.
And these are pages that
were made usually at the universities.
And this prov doctor saying
this is it comes from.
It was my trick to show
it to the students.
Also, around 10 years ago, this
trick worked.
If I would type in search engine for
doctor, it would deliver to me
many pages that were made
around 93 or that still
look like in 1993.
Yeah, because it's very difficult to
to catch this content.
And it's also it's time before
Wayback Machine, before Internet Archive.
Now it's just it's very actual
page.
It's my favorite product just
shown in the Mosaic
browser.
The important thing about this period,
also the attitude to the design,
the idea that it's not me
who is designing the Web page for
everybody else, but it
is me who is just providing
everything as a default.
And I then as end
user, I decide how all the Internet
should look for me. So I decide what is
my colors, what everything.
What is the color of the text,
what color of the background.
So these are some pages
that follow this product or
style. And these are also
pages of a pair of doctors.
And this is this look.
Yeah, this is the classic look.
And then the war started.
You can also see how things were
developing.
You see, here is the background.
Edit Yeah.
So one step away from
semantics, from the mark up style
to the wildness
that then in the end
brings us to the
situation that also astrophysics
start to make pages like this
here and then this amateur vernacular
web starts to form.
And then we don't have to follow any more
pages of academics, but
we can go back to Josaitis
and enjoy
it there.
So this week after
1996.
Yeah.
Well, of because
what's important to remember about Jersey
is when we talk about it, that
it was a place where you would you were
not supposed to go, actually.
And at that time, I also
if somebody would send me a link to
generosities, I would not dare to
to to it here because it was
supposed that there is nothing valuable
there at all.
And they have all these books about
web design tips
of that time.
And imagine none of this
books uses Josaitis
even as a bad example.
Now there is only one
once it appears in Web pages
that suck, of course, may be enough.
But imagine only one example
from the procedures, although today
we see this as a leak,
as an essence of everything.
What could go wrong
with the Web design?
So it's a very special place.
But to show you the history,
it was founded in 1995.
In 1994, it became usable
and very popular around
95, 96.
Yahoo!
Bought it in 1999 in
the moment that when it was the third
most visited Web page
on the web after
AOL and Yahoo!
Itself and in
2009, Yahoo!
Killed procedures.
The screenshot what you see here now, it
comes from 1999.
It's when Yahoo! But this is
half a year later.
Then Yahoo! Introduced their terms of
services and then finally users
noticed that things changed.
And there was this paragraph
eight there. Yahoo!
Said that all all your pictures belong
to us.
Yeah. And there was a
there was a lot of angry pages
and a lot of people left at that moment.
So in 2009,
Yahoo! Closed Josaitis because it sold
in 2009.
Almost everybody is on Facebook
and Yahoo!
Didn't know what to do with this at
all. And then archive team
made a great effort.
And in this half a year, what
Yahoo! Give to the users to rescue their
files, archive team
actually grabbed as much
as possible of them generosities,
and they
released it as a torrent, one
terabyte torrent.
That's why our project is called One
Terabyte of Kilobyte each on
the thirty first of October 2010.
So one year later, when it was made, we
started to download it.
It took us several months, of course, to
download it because there was only one
Seada and that is
one terabyte.
Then there were months
of rebuilding the
city.
But those cities, the neighborhoods,
because all this a one terabyte,
it was not just Jocie just sketched
and now you can open all this and enjoy
it, but these were tires made
by many, many different people.
You had to put them together.
You have to fight them sibling
cancer. You have to
also deal with a
lot of problems
with uppercase, lowercase.
So in the end,
it's, of course, an effort of
dragon mostly.
In the end, we got now
395 profiles
of the early web pages.
Nobody knows about
how much is it of the of what
was actually there
ever?
Yeah, there is no statistics
and Yahoo!
Has no idea about
anything, of course.
So apart from
just having this screenshots
at our archive, there
is a beautiful or how Dragon
calls it the amazing Jurisich.
Just screenshot factory
will not explain
to you now how it works, but you already
have seen what comes in the end.
Yeah, there is a snapshot
of the Web page that appears
in the browser
that is adequate for that particular
moment of time.
There is then there's then screenshots
because we want to feed the Internet
with its history as much
as possible.
It comes to Tumblr
every twenty minutes.
There is a new screenshot from
our archive.
So they are now at this moment,
everybody can enjoy it.
What we yeah,
but screenshots are only screenshots, of
course, that it is an amazing a very rich
content. But you can imagine when
you look at this page, something is
missing. Of course.
In fact, it should look like this, but
to make a video snapshot of the
page, it's completely different.
It's a different size of the file.
It's much longer
than you need for this.
So the tumbler is at this moment
is fitted only with the screenshots,
with the static screenshots we have
for still material
for 12 more years
to fit the tumbler.
But as you may already know,
Yahoo! Bought Tumblr.
Yeah.
I don't we don't know
how much time we still have
and or what should we maybe
our five teams have already grabbed the
tumbler with everything, whatever we
have for them.
How does this what
does the chronology we started
with the last,
with the earliest or the with
the oldest updated screenshot.
So this one is the first one in
our archive.
It only means that this is the last one.
The first one in our archive.
It doesn't he has a lot says a lot about
the history. So but from what was
rescued, this page
was the oldest.
So it was updated in 1995,
last updated in 1995.
And this is how we go in
further in the history.
So at this moment on Tumblr,
we are in August 1999
and it's already dot com.
Yeah. If you remember such
or used such dirty words.
But interesting things that, by
the way, with Jose is that you can see
how time sort of
was frozen there.
Yeah, it's 99, but it is.
It's always 96.
This is the amazing thing about
it. But this screenshot is from
nineteen ninety five
and here I can for
the first time maybe mention this.
What was in the subtitle of my talk.
You see that this page is made for
something different is 800
to 600 were made.
At this moment we make screenshots for
eight hundred six hundred.
But this one is obviously for
640 to 480
just because of the size of the lines.
What else do we know here?
What are the historical
important moments that Kelvyn
picture of Gelvin?
You know, when you look at the Jurisich,
as you can think that it was filled
with defense of Calvin and Hobbes,
but it's not really like this.
The thing is that Josaitis provided
the clipart.
There were a lot of flags that you were
supposed to use on this
place to represent particular country,
Germany, Russia, whatever.
And there was Spock from Star
Trek and there was Kelvyn.
Yeah. So if you didn't
if you can scan your
own picture yet, you would probably
use the Kelvyn.
But it is a very early Web pages,
but still there is a mess
of elements in the Generosities
archive.
Yeah, another background.
But you see here, here and the
structure is still
there.
What is quite a touching moment
I would say here, what I was mentioning
before, this comes from the template
links to the other sites on the Web.
It was there from the very beginning.
It's sort of of course, you could remove
it, but it also you were motivated
to fill it out.
So Web page without links
to other pages, it's sort
of a useless
thing
be.
No, wait a moment.
Yeah, what I wanted to say
here again, the speech, maybe it's not
so clear, but it's again, it's made for
640.
And what was
significant for the time, you
could see a lot that people were
still talking about the cyberspace,
not about not so much.
Welcome to my Web page.
Not welcome to my electronic office,
but welcome to my corner of
cyberspace. A welcome to my CYBERCOM.
They're worth ninety four point
ninety five. There's a still time that
people refer to this place
as place somewhere else and they make
it for six hundred forty
hour without
giving other opportunities.
This is already from later.
Yeah. This choices that
designers had to make and users had
to make for themselves.
Or here you can even
more later.
But.
And screens are getting
bigger and there is this choice, but it
was not there at that moment.
But what you get see, yeah, this is
now where you can see it in a classic
way, right? This is 640.
And this is what we see now.
And when I open this page now on my
screen, I see the gentlemen
like an infinity
of the gentlemen in outer space
or hear hands.
Yeah, maybe you can see it here.
But it's the same.
It is the
picture that didn't have to be that.
Yeah.
The known motive, but also it's adjusted
for six hundred forty.
This one is very beautiful.
All the cockpit
to fly with this web page to the
cyberspace is built here.
Look look terrible.
Already around 96
or not terrible but maybe.
Yeah maybe. In fact that's how it
hit the ground.
But the original plan was it it's
like this
mean the sound is of course in the
background.
That's why I make with my mobile
phone, I make the videos of this
website and there is my channel
on. Right.
So you can enjoy
it there as well.
Yeah.
And I just think
that this what is
here, maybe you can sit here
alongside the visitor said
that so.
And this is yeah. This is still the time
that you refer to cyberspace and
this is actually not because
you are Newbon. You don't know how
cyberspace looks, but because it's in
cyberspace.
Got its look for everybody.
And this look was Starnberg
outerspace background with
underlined words on it.
If it's Netscape, these words were in
blue. Yeah.
And this was the.
Yeah.
When John Perry Barlow was right and
his Declaration of Independence of
cyberspace, the cyberspace
looked like this.
And this is important to remember.
Yeah. Such things not to
underestimate
till this time I almost on the show to
you the screenshot in the Netscape
and it was
a difficult moment for us earlier
this year when we had to switch
to Explorer.
Oh because it was
yeah. Netscape is of course, was more
you know, it was more attracting
more attention.
And it looked like really like the past
year because Explorer year here, it looks
like an old explorer, but everybody knows
that it's still there.
It is an actual
thing. But Netscape was
very pleasant to look at, but we could
not ignore any more that in 1999
actually there was almost no Netscape.
And with the pager what they should do
now. This is the first
of the Web page that
was last updated on 18th of
March 1999.
That's why it's the day of release of
Explorer five.
And this is when we changed.
And now stream
screenshots in
Explorer, unfortunately.
But in the archive, you can always
see in both, by the
way, about archive, I didn't mention
this is what I see.
I use them.
One terabyte is my
interface to the archive,
though. If I would go now with
with Chrome.
So here I don't have an add-on here
I don't have proxy.
I would see what you see.
And here I
have to see this actual page.
Yeah, four major cities is up.
I have I go online
to go offline.
I can there is something
that can be of interest for you.
There are also copies, but they
are not as full as ours.
You can access through our
there is also always the URL.
So you get when you know the URL you can
go to.
You can check this.
You are on generosities on all the cities
and cities as
you have. They also have copies not so,
not so structured as ours.
And a lot of things are missing.
But still this is where you can
see a lot of the bust.
There was something about finally here
about this
elements. What I wanted to show to make a
bridge from here.
Maybe anybody
used in this room ever used this bar
in the Web page?
Somebody ever seen it?
It is sort of
show to some pages.
I think
this page was in our archive
nightmare after this page,
because it is also my personal nightmare.
They are all they are all the ruins
for this Web pages.
And they come from the certain period
from 1997.
And this is when Intel tried to make
the template for making Web pages.
They tried to make the site builder and
they introduced these crazy
elements, these bars and
drippin them what
it's called. Bazargan
Yeah. And people were trying
to make something out of it, but it
never worked.
And then was already Yahoo!
And Yahoo! Introduced their own site
builder. And this is how it
all.
Yeah. So when I go to the archive,
I can also
see the elements
like this stuff, but you probably
know they're welcome skulled
used on so many welcome pages
them to invite you to enter.
So it's also possible in the archive it's
possible not only to take pages, but
to take elements of the pages.
A lot of beautiful
stuff, it's really overwhelming.
This is, by the way, here what
you see now. It is the most used
graphic on Josaitis.
Maybe I would better have to announce it
on Valentine's Day.
Yeah, but I
just said it now.
So after after the counter
and after the logo of Jose, just this is
the most used graphic.
In fact, this is not so important for
us, this statistics.
And we are very careful
with not to go with the
big data approach to
all this and try to
make everything with our own eyes.
Sometimes I'm happy to be able
to involve my students.
For example, this is our opinion
research, what we just finished
there.
It's not such a famous graphic, but there
are almost 800 of them
on the generosities
here is with all his
glory.
And the great thing about
this graphic is that it was always
used in connection with another graphic.
So this is how people were showing
the disagreement or disgust about
something or somebody
and yeah, sort of a dislike
button. You can also see
we and finally we could find
out all this.
We have more than 700 results
of what users were paying
on. Yeah.
What did they hate?
And
yet they're politicians.
They're handsome. Of course,
there are a lot of sports
teams and sports symbolics.
Surprisingly, I would have
thought that it would be Josaitis that
would be the most people
on the thing.
But it is for.
Yeah, whatever
you can. Yeah. There is not one
installation we built out of it.
We made him prominent
and put all this on the monitor here
and it can be.
Yeah, very relief.
And in the end
of the day to Yeah.
To hit, to get another role
as the researcher
come in now much closer
to the end I would like to say.
Yeah. What else we're looking for.
Yeah. What images
or particular images were used for.
What was what
was attendance is not so much who made
the image or how often they were used
and also the elements of
their the choices
what would make us had to make
and the end users had to make.
For example here there is this
thing, you know, you see you can decide
to go hi fi or low fi.
So not resolution, but a hi fi and
lo fi and this hi fi.
If there's something for the future.
Yeah, lo fi.
There is a contently about this bent,
but this high fi on the page
that was last updated in 1996
means that somebody believes that in
some weeks maybe that this will be
possible to have videos that you
have to listen to the music and that is
prepared for it, but nothing happens.
So this is the choice.
I remember myself even leaving this
choice to something for the future or not
possible now, but in some weeks,
another greatest choice,
what we've all had to make that this
time and through their frames or no
frames.
And there is a culture
around this and haid graphics and love
graphics and how they
all appear.
And if you can see here again now you
have a choice here, the choices
we could make at the time and we gladly
made something else, what
I am very careful about
and try
to make something meaningful out of it.
Other messages where people promise
that soon there will be something.
It is quite you know, it's a little bit
or very difficult thing because you know
that these are that pages.
But you all the time get still
now in 99, you get this promise,
just wait for two weeks or next
week or as soon as school starts
or the opposite. Soon school
will be over and they will have time.
So this sometimes it's
permanent, both the message, sometimes
it's more narrative.
And this is another great thing that
people really narrate and tell the
stories and explain why they make pages
and why it's not boutiette and how
everything will change when they get
scared.
And so
and then at the same time, there is
another wave of messages where people say
no more, yeah, there will be no
beach.
And
this protest, as they
go in the parallel to each
other in the.
The direction
sometimes there is a reason given
why somebody is not updating the page
anymore, mostly
these are very optimistic,
in fact, pages where people
say that because we got a new domain,
we got because we got a new location.
Yeah, we moved.
There is new new life.
That's also the tragedy here
is that it's almost never
that you would follow this link and there
would be something they also
don't exist
anymore.
Yeah, there are a lot of hate messages
and at the same time, a lot of
a lot of
very happy and beginning of the new
life or somebody is moving to
Angelfire and thinks that now
things will now things will be great
or try. But yeah, of course
there is.
They all for not 11 megabytes but
20 megabytes.
Yeah, I am moving to the right.
But so things like this,
there we are at this moment.
We are two people who are mostly doing
this.
But finally, we were
also joined by a
Chinese researcher
of Chinese digital folklore and
he is now going through the Chinese
web pages. So pages in Chinese language,
that's important for us.
We for sure need somebody who would go
into Spanish and Portuguese
Web pages.
We are in general interested to open
the interface for those who
want to research, to use this
content to publish their ideas.
And now, for example,
a lot of things, a lot of fanpage,
a lot of hate pages.
There are geneology pages.
Oh, Clem's.
Yeah, this is very important for the
content, which it
would not be right that the person,
one person or even two people just go
through this.
And for example, we should
not forget, as
Jesse Helms wrote in surfing
on the Internet in 1994,
actually before Jurisich, is that the net
is not just a scientific research to
it's an outlet for gorgeous women
trapped in the bodies of male computer
programmers and want to
say that Josaitis was really
an outlet
for crossdressing, especially the
West Hollywood neighborhood.
Jose, just about neighborhoods.
And there are pages
that we
read, a lot of them quite in a good
state.
We think what to do with
them because they have to be analyzed.
They don't have to be exposed, but
it should be somebody in them,
somebody with the experience
in your culture and also experience
with early web culture to analyze
them and to make sense out of it.
I showed you this page now because if
you want to scroll down there, you will
see that there is a
message left on this page to the future
generation.
So this page was supposed
to be Shauntay.
So if you have an ideas how
you could contribute to
Josaitis archive to one terabyte
of kilobyte page research, we
would be happy to
to listen to you.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, thanks for the talk.
I thought it was a very interesting
and very dramatic, so
and we have plenty of time
for questions and
I already see it as far from the signal
to have all your are so
aware of pages which are not in these
archives.
And did you cooperate with other archive
efforts to get a most complete set?
Can you even estimate how many pages are
missing?
Uh, no, we can't estimate
how many pages are missing.
Yeah, no, we can't.
There is a there is
there is a lot of attempt to merge
them. So it's
in the state that I can't see.
So you can't give a percentage.
That we can say. But we were very curious
ourselves, but we didn't find the answer
to this question.
So next microphone one, please.
I'm going to need therapy after this.
And there's a reason for that.
I had to look up in my old resume.
I was the chief network engineer for the
parent company of Geo Cities,
and I spent many
an hour, both originally in Beverly
Hills, which is why there was a
connection to to to West Hollywood
and then when they moved to Santa
Santa Monica.
So I just got a couple of things I'll
share with you.
Oh, the systems were horrible.
So that's
the first thing to keep in mind,
son, Solaris,
the first thing I did was put HTP one,
HPD one up for pettifogging
web server on there.
If you can think back to what happened
before that, to get these
bits out to the rest of the world was
an absolute fight.
Josaitis was growing.
We we were we were Racan stacking some
suntans then some years and finally
bigger machines.
During 96, we blew out
100 megs of Fedi connection out
of Barnett in the Stanford
University KOLO, which is where the
servers were.
And this was just a continuous
fight. The users were coming in in mid
96.
We had to make database changes and
the like, but.
I'm blown away by what you've done, and
I'm so sad that I'm sitting here going,
I have I mean, I know people to contact,
but there's no hope that anybody's got an
archive from back then.
Nothing. No one.
I don't think anybody from the founders
or from the original engineers has got
like a copy of of original
stuff anymore.
But you just brought this all back.
But can you bring us back this
moment in two in 1999,
then? Yahoo!
But no, because this was a
this was this was I was looking at the
dates and this is very finite.
This was 96 for me.
Only 96 was the best year
for everybody.
No next question, please.
Yes, thank you for your amazing talk
and your amazing work and please continue
to do so.
I was wondering, are you also looking at
saving all those old bits
of crappy JavaScript code that
ran on the back of all these pages in
order to make Blinkx work and all that
stuff Richard Stallman
sent you here to me about?
Now we are try to grab as
much as possible.
I was so shocked when you said
JavaScript.
So but what was your if if scripts
are included, those templates.
Yeah. Are you saving them, stacking them
up? Because I really believe that's part
of this culture as well, where you try
to make stuff,
moving or whatever, blinking
crazy colors.
Oh, there is not so much actually
made with JavaScript, though.
Yeah, they're appearing more and more
things, but this is this is Stort, if it
was on the Web page, is it is
Stort or what to you?
Maybe, maybe you need you need him
in Java? Probably.
No, I definitely mean,
I'm looking back at a time when I and I
guess a lot of people here started
learning computer science, basically,
like you said, the first steps into
programing. And for me,
it was because I made his basic website.
I don't even know where I posted it.
And step by step, you want more and more.
And that's how I found out.
So I was wondering if there's any place
I could go and look back at the stuff
you can you can
go back, as always to the by
the Wayback Machine.
But for this, you have to know where to
go. This is the trouble with
Josaitis.
Yeah, but a lot of this
bill and the scripts, they are
there and the sometimes
I feel something and they show something
online and it
and that is actually
something very advanced.
One could think that you only can make it
with each HTML5.
Yeah. But then it appears that
if this were just how things
were made in 96, also with some lines
of code.
Thank you.
So there's another
question from the Internet.
So have you thought about
the whole right to be forgotten issue
regarding your archive page?
Oh, if
every
like I look at 72
minimum and 72 old pages a day.
Yeah. And it's always
every time if I want to publish
something to go deeper or
to reveal something.
What is behind eight
hundred to six hundred.
I am I'm thinking
twice about it and
of course it is always this.
Um yeah.
But there should be something to
remember. I see my role in
them in this project or we see
our role as somebody who
now will prepare
and know
and the step as much as possible
to have as much as possible.
And these are the questions
that should be
they should be the second or otherwise.
We don't know what to what to forget.
There would be nothing to forget if there
is nothing left.
I can go on, there's no other question.
So do you have anyone looking at the
audio content of the archives,
so the meetings and or
the way files all of the embedded
sounds in the pages?
Yeah, this is what is
all this?
My one channel
I started on when the
Joe Six Pack.
Because
what we.
Yeah, it's not they're
not really working, yeah, but
yeah, we miss me, they sound very much.
Yeah.
So what's the most popular movie sound,
the most popular media sound now?
It's not from the statistics, but
what I notice this is a scene from
the X Files,
of course.
Yeah. It appears on the science
fiction web pages.
It appears on in West Hollywood,
on children web pages.
It's everywhere.
Are there any other questions?
Yeah, I have a question
for you.
Yeah.
Are you interested in people donating the
old Web pages? Because I'm
like a dollar hoarder and I saved
everything I ever did on the Internet
and so, like, maybe out of
the two and would send you
the various crappy starts
of the Internet.
Yes, please. So it's offline, but
you saved it. Yeah.
Yeah, I did, too.
So, yeah. And this is the Josaitis
Web page.
No tripod.
Yeah. This is precious
is such a mess.
Yeah.
And with Josaitis there is still
a lot but worth a try, but you
wouldn't know what to do with it.
And maybe you know, more recent case
hive's.
Yeah.
It's
a social network in Holland.
Yeah. That was last year.
It was closed and their users
only got two weeks to rescue their files
and their 25
terabytes of data
that was saved.
But how to make sense out of it?
Nobody knows yet. But there is.
But they are the Internet
archive, they are stored.
Another question from the Internet,
so do you anything?
Do you know anything about the popularity
of CGI and friends?
So, yeah, basically
common gateway interface or not computer
graphics.
I don't really understand it.
So how many pages use CGI
code, for example, for
a counter or something on the counter?
Now, I don't have statistics.
It's easy to find out, actually,
but it is.
Let's say it's almost everywhere and
there is always the by Joe
Citizen, by Yahoo!
There was always one pixel beacon,
the beacon that was always
there. And
the from starting
from Yahoo times, the counter
was by default there.
Some removed it, some did not.
But we have another developer here,
next microphone, sorry, please.
Yeah, OK, so at the beginning of the
talk, you talked about this
professionalization of the web
and and that users
don't exist anymore.
So do you think we should bring back this
amateur, like, Web creation
again? Like, is there any
you talked about new cities, like
a new project that kind of brings back
new cities.
What is your thought about like
like the current state of
amateur web creation?
Is is it bad?
And you also talk about this, that
we use Facebook instead.
It is not really a creative, engaging
activity. So so what is the
alternative? How do we bring back this
amateur age of the Web?
It is developing in two
ways, actually, where you can see one
about the esthetics, let's say so-called
what's called low digital esthetics.
So these are people just having fun with
graphics, having fun with templates
given to them.
Do you know, blinking dot com.
Yeah.
And yeah, but maybe not
many people here blinking
dot com. This is where you can make
animated graphics, you can make them
glitter, you can apply a lot
of stamps on it and then use them in
comments or anywhere
interest. And I mentioned it's usually
it's mentioned is the most
bad taste
thing you can do.
But I observe this
service for many, many years
and imagine how it develops
in a very transparent one.
You always can see who made what
stamp, who contributed with what
to the system.
You can you can see the layers and
use the layers of everything.
It's almost like opening in former times
a source code of the page and being
able to make your own page.
But this is, of course, all used for
to create in some cheesy glittering
graphics. So this is them maybe
the done part of it.
And yeah,
the last no, but I mentioned now
they don't try to make Jurisich, as they
just called themselves like this.
They want to distance from this style,
but they want that people make
web pages without templates
and also mentioned in the club until
the minute that you get there, you are
the user on the system.
Yeah. You get the tind in front of your
name, but not only again, you can
make your pages without templates there
and you are motivated to make web rings
so to link to each other.
And this is quite the, I
would say quite a precious thing
to start to do
again. Yeah,
thanks.
Oh, so we ran
out of time.
Thanks for everybody for listening
and giving.
Thanks for the call.