0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/356 Thanks! 1 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,849 Yeah, thank you very much for the 2 00:00:13,850 --> 00:00:15,589 introduction. It's also a pleasure to be 3 00:00:15,590 --> 00:00:17,719 here again since last year, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,789 also gave a talk and 5 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:21,619 I just yeah, it's about hot dry. 6 00:00:21,620 --> 00:00:23,329 It's it's about crushing hard drives. 7 00:00:23,330 --> 00:00:25,429 And we just, uh, we'll start off 8 00:00:25,430 --> 00:00:27,320 with this beautiful video. 9 00:00:28,670 --> 00:00:30,889 Ideal presents 10 00:00:30,890 --> 00:00:33,079 the ideal oh one oh one 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,929 HDB hard drive punch. 12 00:00:35,930 --> 00:00:38,269 Did you know that hard drives aren't just 13 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:40,849 installed in PCs and laptops, 14 00:00:40,850 --> 00:00:43,189 but also in printers and copiers, 15 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:45,379 which store data from the first time they 16 00:00:45,380 --> 00:00:47,659 are used once they are no 17 00:00:47,660 --> 00:00:48,649 longer needed. 18 00:00:48,650 --> 00:00:50,929 Simple deletion or overwriting will not 19 00:00:50,930 --> 00:00:52,850 completely erase the information 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,799 at the push of a button. 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,139 The ideal oh one oh one punches 22 00:01:00,140 --> 00:01:02,389 a metal bolt through the hard drive, 23 00:01:02,390 --> 00:01:04,458 making it impossible to reuse 24 00:01:04,459 --> 00:01:06,199 or reconstruct the drive. 25 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,389 The stainless steel insertion slot 26 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:16,279 is easily adjustable, with the handy 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,659 feature slide to fit. 28 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:19,999 Standard drive sizes of two and a half 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,650 or three and a half inches 30 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:29,959 are innovative, easy switch control 31 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:32,449 elements ensure simple and intuitive 32 00:01:32,450 --> 00:01:34,219 operation. 33 00:01:34,220 --> 00:01:35,719 The electronically controlled, 34 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,789 transparent safety shield and the feed 35 00:01:37,790 --> 00:01:40,009 opening is part of the space 36 00:01:40,010 --> 00:01:42,139 safety package guaranteeing 37 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:44,959 optimum operational safety. 38 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,509 The metal punch bolt is exchangeable 39 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:49,549 and made of hardened, nickel plated 40 00:01:49,550 --> 00:01:50,599 steel. 41 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,909 The quiet, very powerful six hundred 42 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:55,099 and forty one single phase motor 43 00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:57,469 with a twin drive system provides 44 00:01:57,470 --> 00:01:59,659 a combination of high performance 45 00:01:59,660 --> 00:02:00,870 and durability. 46 00:02:02,450 --> 00:02:04,669 After punching, the hard drives 47 00:02:04,670 --> 00:02:06,799 are collected in a handy container until 48 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,240 they can be disposed of. 49 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:13,639 You can use this innovative machine. 50 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:15,769 So, uh, is there anybody here who 51 00:02:15,770 --> 00:02:17,989 maybe wants to punch across a hot 52 00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:19,009 drive tonight? 53 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,789 Over there, yeah, please come here. 54 00:02:33,590 --> 00:02:35,359 So you have a hard drive with you, you 55 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,360 want to crush. 56 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:38,240 Technically speaking, 57 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,560 I thought, 58 00:02:42,250 --> 00:02:43,969 oh, somebody else over here wants to 59 00:02:43,970 --> 00:02:44,970 crash your hard drive. 60 00:02:48,660 --> 00:02:50,009 Yes, please come on stage. 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,839 So, yeah, just 62 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,969 go ahead and sit here, we 63 00:02:59,970 --> 00:03:01,259 just saw how it works. 64 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Yes, yes, please. 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,560 Still working. 66 00:03:11,470 --> 00:03:12,669 Just one by one, please. 67 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:13,670 Yes. 68 00:03:17,610 --> 00:03:18,610 There you go. 69 00:03:21,490 --> 00:03:23,679 OK, so my concern is crushing your heart 70 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,629 race. We're going to check the other 71 00:03:25,630 --> 00:03:26,630 videos. 72 00:03:35,170 --> 00:03:36,170 Turn the power off, 73 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:39,699 pull it out. Let's have a look. 74 00:03:42,490 --> 00:03:44,709 Well, that's what twelve 75 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:46,689 thousand pounds of pressure is going to 76 00:03:46,690 --> 00:03:48,069 do to your hard drive. 77 00:03:48,070 --> 00:03:50,169 Now, don't forget, the NSA 78 00:03:50,170 --> 00:03:52,239 does require that you do out your 79 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,069 hard drive first, totally erase it, then 80 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:55,569 physically destroy it. 81 00:03:55,570 --> 00:03:56,739 And with the system, you're getting 82 00:03:56,740 --> 00:03:58,569 quality, you're getting durability. 83 00:03:58,570 --> 00:03:59,589 And that's what's going to make this 84 00:03:59,590 --> 00:04:01,569 machine last a very long time. 85 00:04:01,570 --> 00:04:02,739 Thanks for watching. I'm Holly with 86 00:04:02,740 --> 00:04:03,740 modern machines. 87 00:04:13,990 --> 00:04:15,969 Yeah. So as you can see, there's a whole 88 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:17,879 series of machines and I'm just going to 89 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,049 a few show a few tonight, which 90 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:22,509 are only dedicated to destroy 91 00:04:22,510 --> 00:04:24,009 hard drives. 92 00:04:24,010 --> 00:04:25,689 Um, I think yeah. 93 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:27,669 It's really interesting that these 94 00:04:27,670 --> 00:04:29,889 machines do exist on such 95 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:30,890 a level. 96 00:04:32,380 --> 00:04:34,479 Ben folds and shatters the platters 97 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,549 and circuitry of the drives, rendering 98 00:04:36,550 --> 00:04:38,799 it unusable with 99 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,119 a large chamber size. 100 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,069 The DB six thousand can accommodate 101 00:04:42,070 --> 00:04:44,139 multiple laptop drives up to 102 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:46,299 eight at once for simultaneous 103 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:48,459 destruction, a throughput of up 104 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:50,199 to thirty six hundred hard drives per 105 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,299 hour or greater 106 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:53,539 performance and speed. 107 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:55,629 Good luck. Bedrail powered mode. 108 00:04:55,630 --> 00:04:58,059 Simply remove and stow the handle, attach 109 00:04:58,060 --> 00:05:00,159 the supply adapter and cordless 110 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,359 drill to power the unit. 111 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:04,569 Besides allowing users to choose between 112 00:05:04,570 --> 00:05:06,939 manual underpowered mode, the DB 113 00:05:06,940 --> 00:05:09,399 six thousand is ambidextrous and converts 114 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,929 from right handed to left handed 115 00:05:10,930 --> 00:05:11,619 operation. 116 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:12,620 In seconds, 117 00:05:15,910 --> 00:05:17,619 the DB six thousand offers the 118 00:05:17,620 --> 00:05:19,719 reliability and performance you seek in 119 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,849 a hard drive destruction device 120 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:23,949 and the DB six thousand requires 121 00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:26,019 no electricity so it can be used any 122 00:05:26,020 --> 00:05:27,279 time anywhere. 123 00:05:28,380 --> 00:05:30,659 Compact, lightweight and versatile, 124 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:33,029 the DB 6000 is perfect for onsite 125 00:05:33,030 --> 00:05:33,749 Irmo. 126 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:35,399 OK, this goes on forever. 127 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,529 Um, yeah, just like 128 00:05:37,530 --> 00:05:39,269 these beautiful machines. 129 00:05:39,270 --> 00:05:41,579 And I kind of opposed 130 00:05:41,580 --> 00:05:44,699 to like brutal destruction. 131 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,409 Just the fact that you have that we have 132 00:05:46,410 --> 00:05:48,569 machines who are very clean, who have all 133 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:50,699 the safety but, um, and 134 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:53,219 compliant with the body and uh. 135 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:55,889 And it's a, uh, certificate's 136 00:05:55,890 --> 00:05:58,199 so, um, it's all packed in there 137 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,059 and it's it's very clean, but it's doing 138 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:02,189 this very archaic process of just 139 00:06:02,190 --> 00:06:04,469 crashing the drive because after 140 00:06:04,470 --> 00:06:06,569 the lifetime of this drive of 141 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:08,819 the new device we have and 142 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:10,649 when you want to get rid of it, like you 143 00:06:10,650 --> 00:06:12,989 need actually to destroy that device 144 00:06:12,990 --> 00:06:15,149 to be sure that nobody else gets the 145 00:06:15,150 --> 00:06:16,109 data on it. 146 00:06:16,110 --> 00:06:18,509 And this is like kind of a paradox most 147 00:06:18,510 --> 00:06:20,639 people in the consumer world don't think 148 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:21,509 about. 149 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:23,819 Um, and that's a whole 150 00:06:23,820 --> 00:06:25,679 other bunch of, uh. 151 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,629 Yeah. Of these devices are going to show 152 00:06:27,630 --> 00:06:29,009 a few more. 153 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:31,169 Um, the six thousand is 154 00:06:31,170 --> 00:06:33,329 really beautiful. Um, it also has 155 00:06:33,330 --> 00:06:35,459 a brother, 156 00:06:35,460 --> 00:06:37,079 um, degassing device. 157 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,939 And when it comes to degassing, well 158 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:40,229 everybody knows degassing. 159 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:42,449 Right. I mean it's a very exciting. 160 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:49,359 This is not the right video that's, 161 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,360 uh, 162 00:06:51,790 --> 00:06:52,790 golfing. 163 00:07:08,030 --> 00:07:10,859 Yeah, great gladness, 164 00:07:10,860 --> 00:07:11,860 oh. 165 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,859 But the thing is, 166 00:07:18,860 --> 00:07:21,499 degassing is very boring because 167 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:22,879 you can't see it, right? 168 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,349 I mean, there's nothing happening. 169 00:07:24,350 --> 00:07:26,209 It's like, again, similar to the other 170 00:07:26,210 --> 00:07:28,369 devices, but it's just 171 00:07:28,370 --> 00:07:30,469 a crank and you crank it in there and you 172 00:07:30,470 --> 00:07:31,609 crank it out there. 173 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:33,559 And then the big question is and also the 174 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,989 problem is you need to put stickers 175 00:07:35,990 --> 00:07:37,729 which says degassed, right. 176 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:39,839 So when the clerk or 177 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,809 the staff is coming from the basement 178 00:07:41,810 --> 00:07:43,519 with all the stickers on the drives, 179 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,949 like, yeah, they're degassed. 180 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:47,000 Good. Well, 181 00:07:48,050 --> 00:07:49,189 you're not sure about it. 182 00:07:49,190 --> 00:07:50,899 So what they're really professional 183 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:53,359 companies do and 184 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,429 they go to places like 185 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:56,430 this. 186 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:02,919 Today, I'm here with technology's newest 187 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,749 hard drive shredding truck are 188 00:08:04,750 --> 00:08:06,679 independently powered, insecure, secure 189 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,889 truck pull right up to your door anywhere 190 00:08:08,890 --> 00:08:10,989 in the country, liquid technology's on 191 00:08:10,990 --> 00:08:12,919 site services fast and efficient. 192 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,769 And by coming on site, we eliminate any 193 00:08:14,770 --> 00:08:16,329 chain of custody and transportation 194 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:17,379 concerns. 195 00:08:17,380 --> 00:08:19,449 Every drives serial number is scanned and 196 00:08:19,450 --> 00:08:20,889 documented in our truck. 197 00:08:20,890 --> 00:08:22,449 Security system records the actual 198 00:08:22,450 --> 00:08:24,549 shredding on video liquid 199 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:26,679 technologies, shredding EOD compliant. 200 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,479 And we guarantee your data is safe and 201 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:29,379 secure. 202 00:08:29,380 --> 00:08:31,089 We are also one of the few companies with 203 00:08:31,090 --> 00:08:33,009 professional liability insurance to 204 00:08:33,010 --> 00:08:35,259 ensure you are always protected and 205 00:08:35,260 --> 00:08:35,709 auditable. 206 00:08:35,710 --> 00:08:37,629 Report is then provided of all the serial 207 00:08:37,630 --> 00:08:39,729 numbers of the destroyed drives, as well 208 00:08:39,730 --> 00:08:41,829 as a DVD of them being shredded. 209 00:08:41,830 --> 00:08:44,079 Our no landfill policy ensures the scrap 210 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,819 is reused in an environmentally friendly 211 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:46,599 way. 212 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,909 Fast, efficient, dog 213 00:08:48,910 --> 00:08:51,489 compliant, auditable, insured 214 00:08:51,490 --> 00:08:53,469 and environmentally friendly liquid 215 00:08:53,470 --> 00:08:55,059 technology is the answer to all of your 216 00:08:55,060 --> 00:08:56,109 hard drive shredding needs. 217 00:09:03,550 --> 00:09:05,739 So would you trust them, like 218 00:09:05,740 --> 00:09:08,949 on the chain of bringing out the drives 219 00:09:08,950 --> 00:09:11,529 and yeah, shredding is the big thing, 220 00:09:11,530 --> 00:09:12,530 so. 221 00:09:13,980 --> 00:09:16,139 But me, for example, like trusting, 222 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:17,459 yeah, would you trust them because 223 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:18,929 there's people like me going to 224 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:21,149 recycling, just getting a box 225 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:23,279 full of hundreds of 226 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,439 hard drives I made 227 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,509 out with. And so, yeah, 228 00:09:27,510 --> 00:09:29,279 there's like this whole question, how to 229 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,109 get rid of data, how to make it properly. 230 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:32,370 There's different solutions, 231 00:09:34,210 --> 00:09:35,489 a few more. 232 00:09:35,490 --> 00:09:37,799 The manual punch system, hard 233 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,019 disk, Terminator, and you can 234 00:09:40,020 --> 00:09:42,209 see the price ranges between like one 235 00:09:42,210 --> 00:09:44,309 thousand five hundred up to a thousand. 236 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:46,529 These machines cost quite they're quite 237 00:09:46,530 --> 00:09:47,530 costly. 238 00:09:49,230 --> 00:09:51,059 This is a very manual process, too. 239 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:53,939 I like it. It's like a press. 240 00:09:53,940 --> 00:09:55,589 You punch it in there and it's a 241 00:09:55,590 --> 00:09:56,529 Terminator, right? 242 00:09:56,530 --> 00:09:58,889 So where where do we know 243 00:09:58,890 --> 00:10:00,959 this picture from another shot 244 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,759 video should be. 245 00:10:06,790 --> 00:10:09,019 The justices in my office, 246 00:10:09,020 --> 00:10:11,119 so this is our friend destroying 247 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,369 the Skynet computer or the 248 00:10:13,370 --> 00:10:15,599 processor, right, that 249 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,419 it all started very early back then. 250 00:10:18,420 --> 00:10:21,169 Um, for example, the 251 00:10:21,170 --> 00:10:23,179 sledgehammer manual, hard drive. 252 00:10:23,180 --> 00:10:25,669 So another crusher, it's a 253 00:10:25,670 --> 00:10:27,859 yeah. Looks like a press, right. 254 00:10:27,860 --> 00:10:29,419 Like an apple press. Somehow it's a 255 00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:31,039 thousand dollars. 256 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,169 Well, then you go to customers 257 00:10:33,170 --> 00:10:35,390 also view this item and 258 00:10:36,470 --> 00:10:38,839 you get a grisly Arbor press for 259 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,669 eighty three dollars. 260 00:10:40,670 --> 00:10:42,199 It's interesting. 261 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,849 So there's a there's a market for these 262 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:46,219 machines, but also a quite small market. 263 00:10:46,220 --> 00:10:48,439 And they take advantage 264 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,689 of that, especially with these like, 265 00:10:50,690 --> 00:10:52,190 dude compliant stuff. 266 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,299 There's a bunch of nice manual kits. 267 00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:58,489 This is another and it's 268 00:10:58,490 --> 00:11:00,709 a compliant kit for seven hundred fifty 269 00:11:00,710 --> 00:11:01,699 bucks. 270 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:03,409 It's um. 271 00:11:03,410 --> 00:11:05,509 Yeah. They also they promise 272 00:11:05,510 --> 00:11:07,579 you 30 to 50 drives per 273 00:11:07,580 --> 00:11:10,039 hour with a set 274 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,040 like this. 275 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:14,599 Well there's a there's a magnet within 276 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,999 there, but I have the I have the same 277 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,519 tools downstairs and the seabass 278 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,139 area and we're going to do workshops 279 00:11:21,140 --> 00:11:23,299 tomorrow so you can prove 280 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:26,089 how fast you are if you manage to 281 00:11:26,090 --> 00:11:28,130 destroy a 50 hard drives and then our. 282 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,239 And, of course, like the all the 283 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,299 best methods you find on YouTube, right? 284 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:35,989 So this was all the professional stuff, 285 00:11:35,990 --> 00:11:38,629 but the most beautiful methods 286 00:11:38,630 --> 00:11:40,460 are all together on YouTube. 287 00:11:49,420 --> 00:11:51,489 And Danny, here I got to go. 288 00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:53,509 I'm going to get down to. 289 00:12:49,950 --> 00:12:51,870 Yeah, so there's all these versions. 290 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,939 And you can tell I mean, in 291 00:12:59,940 --> 00:13:02,469 in opposition to the professional models, 292 00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:04,299 here is all about also a lot about the 293 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:06,909 joy of destroying something and 294 00:13:06,910 --> 00:13:09,399 that's the human temper coming in 295 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,619 a very common and the most 296 00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:13,959 well known method is the classic 297 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,730 hammer is also 298 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,139 known as the Sebastiani dating method, 299 00:13:20,140 --> 00:13:21,429 something he tried. 300 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:22,349 Right. 301 00:13:22,350 --> 00:13:24,879 It didn't really help him much. 302 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,249 Um, and often very often people 303 00:13:27,250 --> 00:13:29,319 like to open drives and 304 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,089 have the drive running and then starting 305 00:13:31,090 --> 00:13:33,279 to fiddle with the disc with a platter. 306 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,589 And there there's also artists 307 00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:36,970 making great artworks. 308 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,409 Wait, I mean. 309 00:13:40,780 --> 00:13:42,839 No, no mixing up 310 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:43,840 things. 311 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:47,429 OK, where's, um, 312 00:13:47,430 --> 00:13:48,959 that video's not existing. 313 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,960 OK. 314 00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:53,469 This guy, well, he's really 315 00:13:53,470 --> 00:13:55,599 doing a nice painting on the desk, I 316 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,599 should have checked the movies, um, 317 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,339 you can drill the disc. 318 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,859 The disc drilling is a bit of a problem 319 00:14:02,860 --> 00:14:04,719 because when you do, like, a really clean 320 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,249 drill in there and the disc is not 321 00:14:06,250 --> 00:14:08,469 bending, you still can 322 00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:09,969 read on there. 323 00:14:09,970 --> 00:14:12,379 So it really needs some 324 00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:15,159 some force and deforming of the platter. 325 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,259 And that's a nice machine 326 00:14:17,260 --> 00:14:17,889 downstairs. 327 00:14:17,890 --> 00:14:19,959 I haven't seen it in action yet and I 328 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,239 were very interested to see also like 329 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,609 crushing hard drives with this object 330 00:14:24,610 --> 00:14:25,659 in the foyer. 331 00:14:27,250 --> 00:14:29,229 Yeah. And there's all kinds of systems 332 00:14:29,230 --> 00:14:30,579 like Method's people. 333 00:14:30,580 --> 00:14:32,799 This is a nice, beautiful 334 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,899 way. You pour a lot of salt and 335 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:36,819 water and then you have to put your hard 336 00:14:36,820 --> 00:14:38,949 drive in there for a few months so it 337 00:14:38,950 --> 00:14:39,950 will corrode. 338 00:14:43,510 --> 00:14:45,279 Shooting hard drives, of course, is a 339 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,359 very typical thing. 340 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,059 Yeah, I think they shoot everything, 341 00:14:50,060 --> 00:14:52,869 um, and then also destroying 342 00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:54,549 hardware and destroying hard drives in 343 00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:57,369 nature. That's a there's 344 00:14:57,370 --> 00:14:59,529 some very famous examples 345 00:14:59,530 --> 00:15:02,579 of having destruction in nature. 346 00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:03,759 Let's go quickly. 347 00:15:11,070 --> 00:15:12,809 But this is not actually a hot, dry, but 348 00:15:12,810 --> 00:15:14,700 maybe that printer has a hot. 349 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:19,299 Business with the rest of 350 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:21,480 the continent, an erection that so. 351 00:15:22,940 --> 00:15:25,269 Latest on Capitol Hill, because it's down 352 00:15:27,550 --> 00:15:29,649 to so nothing but the 353 00:15:29,650 --> 00:15:31,959 biggest one step at a time 354 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,209 and keep my head low and never let go, 355 00:15:34,210 --> 00:15:35,739 because if I let go, then I'd be 356 00:15:35,740 --> 00:15:37,440 spineless. I'm going to say. 357 00:15:44,130 --> 00:15:46,199 OK, so you want to if 358 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,669 you haven't seen that movie, you 359 00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:50,519 definitely want to watch office space. 360 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,619 Um, yeah. 361 00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:53,700 And then there's people. 362 00:15:59,270 --> 00:16:01,489 Who really want to know, like how to 363 00:16:01,490 --> 00:16:03,619 actually, like, really destroy 364 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:05,719 the drive from Grigore 365 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,940 and the friends, from the 366 00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:10,229 hackerspace, from 367 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,399 fat level, made 368 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,619 a series of experiments and 369 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:17,989 took their old drives out 370 00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:20,089 also in nature and built 371 00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:22,489 an open to melt the platters 372 00:16:22,490 --> 00:16:24,829 with thermite, which is usually 373 00:16:24,830 --> 00:16:26,360 used to weld 374 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,429 to tracks or like to. 375 00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:31,699 Yeah, it's, uh, you can 376 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:32,869 ask Frank all about it. 377 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:35,119 I, I hope like he will have time 378 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,199 tomorrow for the workshop 379 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:39,139 to discuss all these options. 380 00:16:39,140 --> 00:16:41,509 And this is a very, very effective method 381 00:16:41,510 --> 00:16:42,510 for sure. 382 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,679 It's like at an eight thousand degrees 383 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,929 or six thousand. I think it's really hot 384 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:49,969 and you don't want to put your fingers in 385 00:16:49,970 --> 00:16:50,970 there. 386 00:16:53,570 --> 00:16:55,729 And also the result of such 387 00:16:55,730 --> 00:16:57,919 an experiment is very beautiful, 388 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,229 we just kind of 389 00:17:00,230 --> 00:17:02,239 looks like a meteor or something. 390 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,799 I was thinking like maybe the meteor was 391 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,809 coming down onto earth, like carrying 392 00:17:05,810 --> 00:17:06,810 data. 393 00:17:10,460 --> 00:17:12,858 And then I made my own experiments, the 394 00:17:12,859 --> 00:17:14,909 Kleinwort five hundred as my inventions, 395 00:17:14,910 --> 00:17:17,149 I went to a DIY store and got 396 00:17:17,150 --> 00:17:19,219 a clamp and 397 00:17:19,220 --> 00:17:21,650 did some modifications, some grinding. 398 00:17:29,230 --> 00:17:31,419 I wonder for how much I could sell it, 399 00:17:31,420 --> 00:17:33,669 actually, and, 400 00:17:33,670 --> 00:17:35,289 um, yeah, it's quite effective. 401 00:17:35,290 --> 00:17:37,359 It's like, uh, you might be 402 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:40,209 able to do up to 200 miles an hour 403 00:17:40,210 --> 00:17:41,210 if. 404 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,509 But also, to be honest, you don't 405 00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:53,639 get through the whole thing, so 406 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,949 but there will be some improvement, I'm 407 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:58,109 sure I will be able to punch the 408 00:17:58,110 --> 00:17:59,110 whole thing. 409 00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:02,069 So tomorrow afternoon, between two 410 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:03,629 and four, there'll be a workshop. 411 00:18:03,630 --> 00:18:05,369 And I want to the machine is going to be 412 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:07,349 around the next day, too. 413 00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:09,489 And just the way I would love 414 00:18:09,490 --> 00:18:11,819 for everybody who's interested to, like, 415 00:18:11,820 --> 00:18:14,129 discuss and brainstorm about other 416 00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:16,379 options, like fun options and also 417 00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:18,449 serious options if there's people who 418 00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:20,369 want to recover data. 419 00:18:20,370 --> 00:18:21,629 That's also very interesting. 420 00:18:21,630 --> 00:18:23,909 I have I know those companies and they 421 00:18:23,910 --> 00:18:25,729 see a lot of money involved. 422 00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:27,689 Um, that's a good friend. 423 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:30,139 Sebastian Schmick and, uh, Jóhannes 424 00:18:30,140 --> 00:18:32,369 poster. Have they managed to get 425 00:18:32,370 --> 00:18:34,439 actual shredded hard drives from 426 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,539 a Google data center they had connection 427 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:36,839 to? 428 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,029 So it's also an interesting way of 429 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:41,609 saying hello to your own files. 430 00:18:41,610 --> 00:18:42,610 Kind of. 431 00:18:47,770 --> 00:18:49,629 And of course, I mean, these companies do 432 00:18:49,630 --> 00:18:51,669 everything in-house, but they don't send 433 00:18:51,670 --> 00:18:53,999 them to the recycle your. 434 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,279 I am my own work, I like very 435 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,559 much to discuss that whole relation from 436 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,719 how we live in digital and analog work 437 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,939 at the same time, and what happens 438 00:19:03,940 --> 00:19:06,049 when things from digital come back to 439 00:19:06,050 --> 00:19:08,169 the physical space and how we 440 00:19:08,170 --> 00:19:10,659 kind of world has changed 441 00:19:10,660 --> 00:19:12,099 over the years. 442 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:14,639 I had a recent show in Berlin, 443 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,109 solo show about mostly about first person 444 00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:19,569 view and the old first person shooters 445 00:19:19,570 --> 00:19:20,570 and how this kind of 446 00:19:21,670 --> 00:19:24,069 manifests the moment we entered digital 447 00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:26,149 space in a way and 448 00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:27,939 or cyberspace and to today. 449 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:29,769 We already live in cyberspace, but it's 450 00:19:29,770 --> 00:19:31,959 not quite like that and it doesn't 451 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,659 feel like it always was promised to. 452 00:19:34,660 --> 00:19:37,059 So in that show, I also 453 00:19:37,060 --> 00:19:39,249 had this hard drive crusher 454 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:41,439 and at the opening, visitors were 455 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,629 invited to bring the hard drives 456 00:19:43,630 --> 00:19:46,179 and to crush them as a 457 00:19:46,180 --> 00:19:49,299 performance sculpture installation piece. 458 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:50,529 Um, yeah. 459 00:19:50,530 --> 00:19:53,019 And it's, uh, a lot of fun 460 00:19:53,020 --> 00:19:54,189 to to do it. 461 00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:59,199 And connected to this 462 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,729 opening performance, there was an 463 00:20:00,730 --> 00:20:03,279 installation in the back, which 464 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,659 you already saw in the video a little 465 00:20:04,660 --> 00:20:06,909 bit, is referring to 466 00:20:06,910 --> 00:20:08,919 this incident last year at The Guardian, 467 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,989 where The Guardian was forced to 468 00:20:10,990 --> 00:20:13,269 destroy the computer with the hard 469 00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:15,429 drives, uh, with the Snowden 470 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:16,659 files on them. 471 00:20:16,660 --> 00:20:19,239 And we're going to watch that really 472 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,240 important with 473 00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:23,469 the paper, which had other copies of the 474 00:20:23,470 --> 00:20:25,869 Snowden files overseas, agreed 475 00:20:25,870 --> 00:20:28,629 to take an angle grinder to the computer 476 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:30,789 while the intelligence agents watched. 477 00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:41,109 The state decrees has been enough debate 478 00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:43,389 will stop that and 479 00:20:43,390 --> 00:20:45,159 decide that in order to stop this 480 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,160 reporting from. 481 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:54,579 Difficult to imagine a scenario in which 482 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:56,130 that would be appropriate. 483 00:20:59,590 --> 00:21:01,899 This is a tragedy 484 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:03,969 and that the destruction of these 485 00:21:03,970 --> 00:21:05,409 computers was not going to stop 486 00:21:05,410 --> 00:21:06,410 reporting. 487 00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:09,999 Yeah, so this is really 488 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,609 kind of the most important destruction 489 00:21:12,610 --> 00:21:14,589 video when it creeps me out very much 490 00:21:15,730 --> 00:21:18,039 because just the fact they try 491 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,199 this symbolic act of forcing 492 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,509 the newspaper to do that and and 493 00:21:22,510 --> 00:21:24,549 they knew and they were told and we all 494 00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:26,679 know it's not possible to destroy these 495 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,959 files. And this is also something 496 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,479 which is interesting just 497 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,890 to to think about that. 498 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,469 Yeah, it's not possible. 499 00:21:35,470 --> 00:21:36,470 On one hand, 500 00:21:37,690 --> 00:21:39,729 once something is uploaded to the 501 00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:41,979 Internet or is like 502 00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:43,839 like these leaks come out, it's there's 503 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,939 no way to to delete these files, 504 00:21:45,940 --> 00:21:47,409 to get it out anymore. 505 00:21:47,410 --> 00:21:49,749 And at the same on the same time, 506 00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:51,849 datasets like data storage systems 507 00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:54,259 always were like very vulnerable. 508 00:21:54,260 --> 00:21:56,769 Like I lost a lot of data in my 509 00:21:56,770 --> 00:21:59,049 career of an art school and 510 00:21:59,050 --> 00:22:00,759 a different laptop gets stolen. 511 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,140 But we kind of enter the moment where 512 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:06,219 things are going in the cloud and 513 00:22:06,220 --> 00:22:07,449 there's other questions coming. 514 00:22:07,450 --> 00:22:08,919 So leaks is a big thing. 515 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,920 Of course, 516 00:22:11,140 --> 00:22:13,299 the question is really for. 517 00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:16,989 It's it's kind of tempting to believe 518 00:22:16,990 --> 00:22:18,629 everything will be there forever. 519 00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:19,630 I. 520 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:24,459 And if leaks are kind of yeah, 521 00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:26,589 it has have changed, 522 00:22:26,590 --> 00:22:29,169 changed a lot over the past years 523 00:22:29,170 --> 00:22:31,199 and once the data. 524 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,519 It's out there. 525 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,729 It can go back, um. 526 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,429 And then, well, just to 527 00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:40,619 also to think about the data loss, 528 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:42,779 which is then the opposite side, and 529 00:22:42,780 --> 00:22:44,369 this is something we don't think about so 530 00:22:44,370 --> 00:22:45,869 much. So now we rely on all these 531 00:22:45,870 --> 00:22:48,479 services and technologies. 532 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,549 But the question is what 533 00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:52,499 happens when it's gone and a lot of stuff 534 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:54,689 is gone? I, I recommend very 535 00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:56,879 much this documentary about 536 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,679 the Internet archive and all these people 537 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,779 working in that field, because 538 00:23:00,780 --> 00:23:03,029 a lot of stuff is generated every 539 00:23:03,030 --> 00:23:05,429 second, but a lot of stuff is lost, too. 540 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:07,649 And like when you think thousand years 541 00:23:07,650 --> 00:23:09,179 ahead, nothing will be left from this 542 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:11,759 era, right. Or 100 years maybe, 543 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,009 unless it goes into like a meteor 544 00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:15,269 or somewhere. 545 00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:17,499 And so these people, like, 546 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:19,379 do a great job and thinking about 547 00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:22,199 preserving stuff, which then 548 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,609 disappears all the time and 549 00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:26,109 and then control of our data. 550 00:23:26,110 --> 00:23:27,689 And that's like the big discussion here, 551 00:23:27,690 --> 00:23:30,029 too. I mean, obviously, 552 00:23:30,030 --> 00:23:31,949 data moves to the cloud and the consumer 553 00:23:31,950 --> 00:23:34,619 data. And the question is, 554 00:23:34,620 --> 00:23:36,319 will that be hard drives in the future? 555 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,579 Right. I mean, or is it I have that 556 00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:40,649 vision of maybe this it's not allowed 557 00:23:40,650 --> 00:23:42,149 anymore to have a hard drive at some 558 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:44,369 point because you have actually access 559 00:23:44,370 --> 00:23:45,370 to it. 560 00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:48,219 So I want to refer and quote 561 00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:50,459 earlier, Olina, who gave a talk last year 562 00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:52,559 about the user rights she's 563 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,079 collecting on her website and 564 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,969 the right to own data, the right to 565 00:23:56,970 --> 00:23:58,799 physical access, the right to delete and 566 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,159 destroy, the right to own hard drives. 567 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,749 I mean, it's just a question, right? 568 00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:05,969 But it's it's it's obviously 569 00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:08,039 I mean, probably this 570 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,139 is not coming soon, but just the fact 571 00:24:10,140 --> 00:24:12,209 that most users of the new 572 00:24:12,210 --> 00:24:14,639 devices have like direct access 573 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,739 and at some point the drive itself is 574 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:18,000 not really important anymore. 575 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,230 Yeah, that was my talk. 576 00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:24,340 Thank you very much. 577 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:32,540 Wow, that was amazing. 578 00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:36,079 Thank you for your talk, I'm sorry, 579 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,939 I'm afraid we don't have any more time 580 00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:39,259 for Q&A. 581 00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:41,329 We just have one 582 00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:42,379 and a half minutes left. 583 00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:45,319 So thank you very much. 584 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,249 Yeah. 585 00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:48,539 And yeah, have fun with the next 586 00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:49,540 top.