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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/891 Thanks! 1 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:17,619 So now we have a 2 00:00:17,620 --> 00:00:20,379 cat ketterson artist, and 3 00:00:20,380 --> 00:00:22,889 she's making a different kind of 4 00:00:22,890 --> 00:00:25,649 kinds of installations and performances 5 00:00:25,650 --> 00:00:28,379 that explore how we 6 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:31,499 humans connect to the environment, 7 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:33,719 and she's going to tell you about that. 8 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,009 So give her a warm applause. 9 00:00:35,010 --> 00:00:36,179 Please forget. 10 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:46,909 Hello, everybody. 11 00:00:46,910 --> 00:00:48,320 Thank you very much for the introduction. 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,549 Thank you for coming to see 13 00:00:52,550 --> 00:00:53,779 my talk. 14 00:00:53,780 --> 00:00:57,079 And hello to the people online. 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,639 Thank you for tuning in online. 16 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:02,179 So I'm going to 17 00:01:02,180 --> 00:01:04,249 be talking to you today about the 18 00:01:04,250 --> 00:01:07,369 approaches that I have been developing 19 00:01:07,370 --> 00:01:09,559 or some of them I've been developing to 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,560 explore 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,269 the connection between 22 00:01:14,270 --> 00:01:16,010 ourselves and the environments. 23 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:20,089 I'll be discussing installations, 24 00:01:20,090 --> 00:01:22,339 as I have said, that work on the body 25 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:25,039 to create an emotional response 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,739 in humans to non humans. 27 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:29,809 And I'll be talking about workshops and 28 00:01:29,810 --> 00:01:32,059 performances where 29 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:34,279 participants use 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,959 techniques drawn from lots of different 31 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,599 disciplines to investigate 32 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,069 sort of different aspects of 33 00:01:41,210 --> 00:01:43,819 the what we might consider outside 34 00:01:43,820 --> 00:01:45,229 world. 35 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:47,599 So I want to give you a couple 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,429 of preambles so that you know where I'm 37 00:01:49,430 --> 00:01:50,509 coming from. 38 00:01:50,510 --> 00:01:52,729 And one of those is that 39 00:01:52,730 --> 00:01:55,369 I'm going to be talking a lot about, 40 00:01:55,370 --> 00:01:57,709 you know, ourselves and the environment, 41 00:01:57,710 --> 00:01:59,449 because that's what all my work's about. 42 00:01:59,450 --> 00:02:01,549 But I want to be quite 43 00:02:01,550 --> 00:02:03,559 clear on the fact that actually the work 44 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,259 is interrogating the 45 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:08,359 those boundaries that we sort of 46 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,788 consider there to be between ourselves 47 00:02:10,789 --> 00:02:12,080 and the environment. And so 48 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:16,279 we have we have these 49 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,189 conceptions of boundaries 50 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:21,349 that are partially conceptual, partially 51 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:23,479 real. So, for instance, we've got the 52 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,729 skin inside the skin on on 53 00:02:25,730 --> 00:02:28,289 one scale, you know, if I take water 54 00:02:28,290 --> 00:02:30,769 on my skin, I see the water mostly 55 00:02:30,770 --> 00:02:32,149 sort of wash off. 56 00:02:32,150 --> 00:02:34,309 But on a microbial or 57 00:02:34,310 --> 00:02:36,469 molecular scale, actually, my skin 58 00:02:36,470 --> 00:02:38,239 is very, very permeable and it's letting 59 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,459 in and out things that are 60 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:43,069 and aren't what I consider to be myself 61 00:02:43,070 --> 00:02:43,909 all the time. 62 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:46,339 Right. And so then my body is actually 63 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:48,829 really quite a lot in constant flux. 64 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:50,899 And so that 65 00:02:50,900 --> 00:02:53,599 kind of exploration 66 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,429 of the diffusion of the boundaries 67 00:02:55,430 --> 00:02:57,409 between the self and other actually 68 00:02:57,410 --> 00:02:59,089 fundamental to the work that I do. 69 00:02:59,090 --> 00:03:01,399 And so when I talk about myself 70 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,619 and the environment, excuse 71 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:05,719 the hateful air quotes, actually 72 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,309 what I'm talking about is 73 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,299 those things with very, very 74 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:13,399 permeable boundaries that 75 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,049 are constantly being redefined. 76 00:03:15,050 --> 00:03:17,569 And that's why the subtitle 77 00:03:17,570 --> 00:03:19,609 for the talk is Multiple Technologies and 78 00:03:19,610 --> 00:03:22,069 Redefinition of the Self, because 79 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:24,169 that's what I'm exploring with all this 80 00:03:24,170 --> 00:03:25,170 work. 81 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,669 So I'm going 82 00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:30,509 to try and get the slides on. 83 00:03:30,510 --> 00:03:32,929 I've had a bit of a computer malfunction. 84 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:34,249 There we go. 85 00:03:34,250 --> 00:03:35,509 Let's just say 86 00:03:36,710 --> 00:03:39,349 so. The second preamble is 87 00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:41,629 and I don't like I don't like 88 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:43,759 being anchored to things very much, but 89 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,039 the second preamble is to explain sort 90 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,020 of where I'm coming from in 91 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,169 conceptual terms. 92 00:03:51,170 --> 00:03:53,299 And so I 93 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:55,339 like to think of myself as a person. 94 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:59,269 And I also 95 00:03:59,270 --> 00:04:01,489 have the amazing opportunity to 96 00:04:01,490 --> 00:04:03,709 be anchored 97 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:06,109 as a cultural fellow at the University 98 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:08,179 of Leeds Cultural Institute, where I'm a 99 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:10,010 cultural fellow in arts and sciences. 100 00:04:11,540 --> 00:04:13,759 I also have been for this 101 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,769 year the artists in the Arctic for the 102 00:04:15,770 --> 00:04:17,898 Friends of Scott Polar Research Institute 103 00:04:17,899 --> 00:04:20,239 at the University of Cambridge, 104 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,789 Bonhams and Ocean Expeditions, who 105 00:04:22,790 --> 00:04:24,289 sent me into the Arctic this year. 106 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:25,789 And I'm going to be talking about that a 107 00:04:25,790 --> 00:04:26,959 little bit later. 108 00:04:28,340 --> 00:04:30,559 And I have a long term 109 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,719 residency at the Department of 110 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,939 Chemistry in University College 111 00:04:34,940 --> 00:04:35,940 London. 112 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:38,599 And I lecture and I'm going 113 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,189 to be talking about one of the projects 114 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:42,259 that I work on with my 115 00:04:42,260 --> 00:04:43,369 students. 116 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:44,959 I lecture the Bachelors in Arts and 117 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,239 Sciences at University College London as 118 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,240 well. 119 00:04:48,710 --> 00:04:49,760 And so 120 00:04:50,930 --> 00:04:52,849 one of the reasons it's important to tell 121 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:55,009 you about all of these 122 00:04:55,010 --> 00:04:57,169 anchors is because a lot 123 00:04:57,170 --> 00:04:59,719 of the work that I do is facilitated by 124 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,489 or funded by some of these institutions. 125 00:05:02,490 --> 00:05:04,639 So and the people that I 126 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,259 work with at these institutions are 127 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:08,479 hugely instrumental in shaping 128 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,459 the work that I do. 129 00:05:10,460 --> 00:05:11,599 So props to them. 130 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,600 They're awesome. 131 00:05:14,990 --> 00:05:15,990 So 132 00:05:17,420 --> 00:05:19,489 this is the central question 133 00:05:19,490 --> 00:05:20,929 that I'm interested in. 134 00:05:20,930 --> 00:05:22,909 And I hope that you're also going to be 135 00:05:22,910 --> 00:05:24,589 interested in it and the way that I've 136 00:05:24,590 --> 00:05:25,790 been trying to answer it. 137 00:05:27,470 --> 00:05:29,989 So we know a lot 138 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:32,419 about environmental issues 139 00:05:32,420 --> 00:05:34,429 in general and specifically climate 140 00:05:34,430 --> 00:05:37,189 change. There's a lot of 141 00:05:37,190 --> 00:05:38,239 data out there. 142 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,459 There's a scientific consensus about 143 00:05:40,460 --> 00:05:42,589 our part 144 00:05:42,590 --> 00:05:43,590 in. 145 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:46,479 Contributing to climate change 146 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,999 and other environmental issues 147 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,189 and yes, friend 148 00:05:51,190 --> 00:05:53,349 in every scale, from individual through 149 00:05:53,350 --> 00:05:55,479 to global governance, 150 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,969 we are not making significant 151 00:05:57,970 --> 00:06:00,099 inroads into tackling these 152 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:02,319 problems. And I know that sounds terribly 153 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,479 judgmental, but really 154 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,159 it's about time we did something, don't 155 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,480 we think? So 156 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:11,439 I was wondering, 157 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:12,909 is there something else that we need to 158 00:06:12,910 --> 00:06:16,089 know to galvanize ourselves into action 159 00:06:16,090 --> 00:06:18,489 and how do we need to know it? 160 00:06:18,490 --> 00:06:20,559 And this is a personal question for me as 161 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,629 well, because I've been working on 162 00:06:22,630 --> 00:06:24,849 environmental problems in one 163 00:06:24,850 --> 00:06:27,549 capacity or another for 164 00:06:27,550 --> 00:06:29,619 my whole career, and 165 00:06:29,620 --> 00:06:32,079 I've been engaged 166 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,549 with environmental issues 167 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:36,249 since I was a child. 168 00:06:36,250 --> 00:06:38,319 So and yet still 169 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,389 sometimes, you know, I 170 00:06:40,390 --> 00:06:41,979 fly. I don't take the train. 171 00:06:41,980 --> 00:06:44,049 Sometimes, you know, I'm not blameless 172 00:06:44,050 --> 00:06:46,119 like many of us are also 173 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,139 not blameless. 174 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:50,079 So it's partially 175 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,749 a personal exploration into 176 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:55,029 these issues that I'm going to be talking 177 00:06:55,030 --> 00:06:56,030 to you about today. 178 00:06:57,100 --> 00:07:00,159 And so 179 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,859 on to the kind of first approach. 180 00:07:02,860 --> 00:07:04,839 One of the things that I was really 181 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:07,149 interested in is the role of emotion 182 00:07:07,150 --> 00:07:09,309 in, um, 183 00:07:09,310 --> 00:07:12,219 in kind of creating a different 184 00:07:12,220 --> 00:07:14,409 type of knowledge within ourselves, 185 00:07:14,410 --> 00:07:16,599 one that perhaps might motivate us 186 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,389 a little bit more than 187 00:07:19,390 --> 00:07:21,699 the fact that we're bombarded with quite 188 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:22,539 often. 189 00:07:22,540 --> 00:07:24,609 And when it comes to questions of 190 00:07:24,610 --> 00:07:26,439 climate change and other environmental 191 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,779 problems, often we have 192 00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:30,879 these responses that are 193 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,009 kind of demarcated 194 00:07:33,010 --> 00:07:34,989 as either anxiety or disgust. 195 00:07:34,990 --> 00:07:37,119 You know, these are what I consider to be 196 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,819 our primary emotional responses to 197 00:07:39,820 --> 00:07:41,449 these kinds of issues. 198 00:07:41,450 --> 00:07:43,569 And I was wondering, is 199 00:07:43,570 --> 00:07:45,849 there a way to create a more 200 00:07:45,850 --> 00:07:48,429 sympathetic and a more sophisticated 201 00:07:48,430 --> 00:07:50,799 environmental relationship 202 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,540 with the environments? 203 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:56,529 And so one of the 204 00:07:56,530 --> 00:07:59,739 kind of concepts that really underpins 205 00:07:59,740 --> 00:08:01,869 this work is this idea of 206 00:08:01,870 --> 00:08:03,579 touching the other. 207 00:08:03,580 --> 00:08:05,769 And as you can see, there's been 208 00:08:05,770 --> 00:08:07,569 a lot written on it. And this is a 209 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:10,659 fantastic quote from current budget, 210 00:08:10,660 --> 00:08:12,759 which is to say, 211 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,129 what if it's only in the encounter 212 00:08:15,130 --> 00:08:17,109 with the inhuman, the liminality of 213 00:08:17,110 --> 00:08:19,269 nothingness, in all its liveliness, its 214 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:21,519 conditions of impossibility, that 215 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,739 we can truly confront our inhumanity, 216 00:08:23,740 --> 00:08:26,449 that is our actions lacking compassion. 217 00:08:27,730 --> 00:08:30,369 So I thought 218 00:08:30,370 --> 00:08:32,469 maybe if we want to 219 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:34,658 foster a bit more compassion for 220 00:08:34,659 --> 00:08:37,149 the environment, maybe I should try 221 00:08:38,590 --> 00:08:40,819 touching the 222 00:08:40,820 --> 00:08:42,969 inhuman or the non-human in the 223 00:08:42,970 --> 00:08:44,439 case of the work that I'm going to be 224 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,970 telling you about now. 225 00:08:46,990 --> 00:08:49,149 And so I want to 226 00:08:49,150 --> 00:08:50,829 tell you about the current empathy 227 00:08:50,830 --> 00:08:52,959 device, which is my attempt 228 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,239 to touch the non-human that is 229 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,240 coral. 230 00:08:57,730 --> 00:09:00,429 The coral empathy device is an immersive 231 00:09:00,430 --> 00:09:01,430 installation, 232 00:09:03,130 --> 00:09:04,659 as you can see it through and over the 233 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:05,660 heads. 234 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:08,709 And the aim of it is 235 00:09:08,710 --> 00:09:11,349 to indeed engender empathy with 236 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:13,270 coral in the marine environments. 237 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,199 It's not aiming to 238 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,389 replicate the conditions of coral 239 00:09:19,390 --> 00:09:20,829 in the marine environment. 240 00:09:20,830 --> 00:09:22,689 What it's trying to do is to look at 241 00:09:22,690 --> 00:09:24,399 specifically anthropogenic 242 00:09:25,810 --> 00:09:28,089 consequences for coral and 243 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:30,999 then to create an environment for humans 244 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,069 that should engender a 245 00:09:33,070 --> 00:09:36,279 similar type of response without 246 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,379 anthropomorphizing coral or 247 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:40,570 ascribing to emotions that 248 00:09:41,830 --> 00:09:43,899 are human in any way. 249 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:44,900 So 250 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,399 I'm going to tell you more 251 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,009 about the coral empathy device shortly. 252 00:09:51,010 --> 00:09:53,139 But first, I want to 253 00:09:53,140 --> 00:09:55,389 show you this video, which 254 00:09:55,390 --> 00:09:57,279 I think should 255 00:09:59,050 --> 00:10:00,939 because it's it's something that you have 256 00:10:00,940 --> 00:10:02,199 to experience. 257 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,339 And, you know, generally it should be 258 00:10:04,340 --> 00:10:05,289 in an embodied way. 259 00:10:05,290 --> 00:10:07,929 But you're sitting in a lecture hall and 260 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:09,459 we don't have it here. 261 00:10:09,460 --> 00:10:12,219 So this is the best proxy 262 00:10:12,220 --> 00:10:14,259 that I hope will clarify with a bit of 263 00:10:14,260 --> 00:10:15,260 context. 264 00:13:37,260 --> 00:13:39,480 So as you can see, 265 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,139 excuse me, the car alarm, the device. 266 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:48,919 Takes you into this kind of 267 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:52,759 environment where you're 268 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:53,929 surrounded by 269 00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:57,769 sound and you're also 270 00:13:57,770 --> 00:13:59,659 surrounded by smells and vibrations, and 271 00:13:59,660 --> 00:14:01,249 that's what you experience when you put 272 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:02,250 the helmet on. 273 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,199 And I talk a tiny bit about that 274 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,359 in a little minute, but I just wanted 275 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,759 to clarify sort of why 276 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,379 why coral? 277 00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:14,209 Why why did I pick coral for this? 278 00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:15,289 And actually. 279 00:14:15,290 --> 00:14:17,640 So, um. 280 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:21,679 Well, Coral, for a start, is an icon 281 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,659 of our environmental impact. 282 00:14:23,660 --> 00:14:25,729 You know, this year, with the second year 283 00:14:25,730 --> 00:14:27,439 in a row where there was a significant 284 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,480 bleaching event on the Great Barrier Reef 285 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,469 and without sort of time 286 00:14:33,470 --> 00:14:35,899 in between these bleaching events, 287 00:14:35,900 --> 00:14:37,460 the reef doesn't have 288 00:14:39,340 --> 00:14:41,659 an ability to recover itself. 289 00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:43,460 And so you get a kind of 290 00:14:44,780 --> 00:14:46,909 increased, complete death 291 00:14:46,910 --> 00:14:48,559 of the coral reef. 292 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,809 And that's happening partially because of 293 00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:52,999 climate change and warming, but it's also 294 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,789 happening because of acidification 295 00:14:55,790 --> 00:14:58,379 and plastic pollution in the environment. 296 00:15:00,530 --> 00:15:02,899 And so it's 297 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:05,149 in this kind of beauty that 298 00:15:05,150 --> 00:15:08,479 it has and precariousness. 299 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,089 It's this fantastic kind of 300 00:15:11,090 --> 00:15:12,889 I don't want to use the word fantastic 301 00:15:12,890 --> 00:15:13,999 because it's too happy. 302 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,279 It's this very powerful icon 303 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,829 of of anthropogenic 304 00:15:18,830 --> 00:15:21,000 impacts on the environment. 305 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,149 We also have a huge 306 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:28,519 amount of kind of literature about 307 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,859 coral, and it's meaning to 308 00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:31,519 us. 309 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,859 But one of the things I find kind of most 310 00:15:33,860 --> 00:15:36,169 evocative about it is the fact 311 00:15:36,170 --> 00:15:38,329 that in some ways it can be considered as 312 00:15:38,330 --> 00:15:41,029 quite a nice analog for 313 00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:43,249 or metaphor for humanity as well. 314 00:15:43,250 --> 00:15:45,469 We have a relationship 315 00:15:45,470 --> 00:15:47,329 to it, even though it looks nothing like 316 00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:48,620 us. And as much as 317 00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:51,829 you know, Coral is 318 00:15:51,830 --> 00:15:54,259 a steward of a lot of marine 319 00:15:54,260 --> 00:15:55,369 life. 320 00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:57,649 The coral reefs are 321 00:15:57,650 --> 00:15:59,779 wonderful ecosystems that foster 322 00:15:59,780 --> 00:16:01,309 lots and lots of different 323 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,210 species that are very diverse. 324 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,869 And just like with stewards 325 00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:11,149 of our environment, you can consider 326 00:16:11,150 --> 00:16:12,679 that coral as a steward of its 327 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:13,680 environment, too. 328 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:17,689 Similarly, you know, we as 329 00:16:17,690 --> 00:16:20,359 humans are actually not just 330 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:22,579 human cells. 331 00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:25,249 And so you've all heard all of the 332 00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:27,379 statistics flying around about 333 00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:29,539 how much of our body is 334 00:16:29,540 --> 00:16:32,209 also a microbiome 335 00:16:32,210 --> 00:16:34,519 full of bacteria and fungi all working 336 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,489 together. And coral 337 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:39,709 lives in symbiosis with 338 00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:42,049 algae in much the same 339 00:16:42,050 --> 00:16:44,539 way. And just as our microbiome 340 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:46,039 can affect our decisions 341 00:16:47,060 --> 00:16:49,159 and our ability 342 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,469 to digest and, you know, 343 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:53,689 lots of other things about keeping us 344 00:16:53,690 --> 00:16:56,479 alive and the way that we live, 345 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,149 coral has this symbiotic 346 00:16:59,150 --> 00:17:01,039 relationship happening within it all the 347 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,079 time as well. And you know, what that 348 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,269 speaks to for me is a kind of 349 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,989 reliance on the other that's actually, 350 00:17:08,990 --> 00:17:11,578 you know, materially embodied. 351 00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:12,579 Right. 352 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,309 So the other thing about 353 00:17:16,310 --> 00:17:17,390 that I think is 354 00:17:18,589 --> 00:17:19,729 super interesting. 355 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:21,289 And it's the case of a lot of marine 356 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:23,299 life. And that's one of the reasons I've 357 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:25,879 been focusing on marine life 358 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,699 for the past couple of years, is that 359 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:30,799 coral has a decentralized 360 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,030 nervous system. 361 00:17:33,230 --> 00:17:35,779 And I think that's quite interesting 362 00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:38,179 when you're when we're thinking about 363 00:17:38,180 --> 00:17:40,369 kind of social structures 364 00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:42,649 for humans, you know, because 365 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:43,650 we have 366 00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:48,469 we work as an organism ourselves 367 00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:50,659 all together, you know, and I think 368 00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:52,909 that kind of thinking about our 369 00:17:52,910 --> 00:17:55,489 own decentralization, moving away from 370 00:17:55,490 --> 00:17:57,979 thinking of ourselves as brains 371 00:17:57,980 --> 00:17:59,539 with the body that helps move the brain 372 00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:01,669 about, but also 373 00:18:01,670 --> 00:18:03,919 thinking more about us 374 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,169 as individuals as part of a whole 375 00:18:06,170 --> 00:18:08,689 is part of the kind of step change 376 00:18:08,690 --> 00:18:10,819 that really might be quite useful 377 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:11,989 if we want to 378 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:14,929 change our attitude towards living in the 379 00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:17,419 world and then maybe, you know, 380 00:18:17,420 --> 00:18:20,269 live in a more sympathetic way with 381 00:18:20,270 --> 00:18:22,399 the outside world, including 382 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,769 other people in it and including 383 00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:26,720 non-human entities as well. 384 00:18:29,540 --> 00:18:32,539 So one of the reasons that 385 00:18:32,540 --> 00:18:34,869 I take away so with the 386 00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:36,829 empathy device, as you saw in the video, 387 00:18:36,830 --> 00:18:38,269 it goes black when you put it on. 388 00:18:38,270 --> 00:18:39,679 You can't see anything when you put it 389 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,969 on. 390 00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:42,769 And one of the reasons that I did that 391 00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:45,079 was because I wanted to focus on 392 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,589 kind of. 393 00:18:46,590 --> 00:18:49,109 On other senses 394 00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:52,169 to investigate 395 00:18:52,170 --> 00:18:54,569 and experiment with the concept 396 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:56,639 of embodied knowledge, so 397 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,439 embodied knowledge is 398 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,339 its phenomenological thing where 399 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:04,319 you think about doing without 400 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,150 representing. So it's kind of 401 00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:09,389 what you might call but probably 402 00:19:09,390 --> 00:19:11,279 shouldn't instinctive or automatic 403 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,199 reactions in some ways. 404 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,419 But it's more about 405 00:19:15,420 --> 00:19:17,669 responding to the physical environment 406 00:19:17,670 --> 00:19:20,429 without creating a mental model 407 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:21,839 with how about how you're going to 408 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,219 respond beforehand. 409 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,239 Now, embodied knowledge is 410 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,519 super interesting in and of itself, 411 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,900 but Shogo Tanaka, 412 00:19:32,460 --> 00:19:35,339 who is a very interesting 413 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:37,529 Japanese phenomenologists, 414 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:39,719 has been writing about how 415 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,789 embodied knowledge helps to 416 00:19:41,790 --> 00:19:42,790 create 417 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:46,769 sympathy, empathy with 418 00:19:46,770 --> 00:19:48,839 the other through intercultural reality. 419 00:19:50,260 --> 00:19:52,589 And as he says here in 420 00:19:52,590 --> 00:19:54,839 this reference paper, through 421 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,549 these embodied interactions into 422 00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:58,319 subjective meanings are created and 423 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,119 directly shared between the self and the 424 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,429 other without being mediated by 425 00:20:02,430 --> 00:20:04,589 mental representations. 426 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:07,019 So this is what I 427 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:09,269 am trying to aim for 428 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:11,969 with the current empathy device using 429 00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:14,309 an artistic implement to 430 00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:16,109 create these mediated 431 00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:19,649 interactions between the 432 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:21,719 human he's 433 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,309 experiencing it and the other, 434 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,439 which is a bit of a step, but 435 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,389 I think it's been working. 436 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:31,390 We'll see. 437 00:20:33,210 --> 00:20:35,399 Yes, I think that's probably all about 438 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,419 Shogo. 439 00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:38,729 And so if 440 00:20:38,730 --> 00:20:40,859 you want to be quick plug, 441 00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:43,139 if you want to see more about the 442 00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:45,449 kind of background to 443 00:20:45,450 --> 00:20:47,429 this approach that I've been talking 444 00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:49,979 about, I 445 00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:52,379 just over Christmas, this paper 446 00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:54,839 that I wrote about has been published 447 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,149 in the Oxford artistic practice based 448 00:20:57,150 --> 00:20:58,199 research platform. 449 00:20:59,370 --> 00:21:02,039 And this is looking 450 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,779 at kind of a deeper look at the 451 00:21:03,780 --> 00:21:06,389 philosophy and a deeper look at 452 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,149 embodied knowledge and 453 00:21:09,150 --> 00:21:11,279 validation of of an approach 454 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,319 that attempts essentially to 455 00:21:15,180 --> 00:21:18,029 create a way of communicating 456 00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:19,889 that is non codified. 457 00:21:19,890 --> 00:21:22,439 So by which I mean not using 458 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,749 language and not using 459 00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:26,609 the same kind of visual language that we 460 00:21:26,610 --> 00:21:28,769 often use, particularly 461 00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:30,269 when we're trying to communicate about 462 00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:31,469 environmental issues. 463 00:21:31,470 --> 00:21:33,659 So there have been other 464 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,939 projects that try to create 465 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:38,189 empathy with the 466 00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:39,899 natural world. 467 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:41,909 And you're probably familiar with lots of 468 00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:44,249 them and a lot of them rely on visual 469 00:21:44,250 --> 00:21:46,739 stimuli over 470 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:49,019 other embodied stimuli. 471 00:21:50,250 --> 00:21:52,529 And my aim with the current 472 00:21:52,530 --> 00:21:54,629 empathy device fundamentally 473 00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:56,969 was to explore what the other senses 474 00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:59,129 can bring to that by removing 475 00:21:59,130 --> 00:22:01,289 codification and looking at non 476 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:02,290 measurable 477 00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:05,880 and tacit knowledge is 478 00:22:07,620 --> 00:22:09,869 so. And I'm going to be talking 479 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:11,579 a little bit more about that kind of 480 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:13,200 approach shortly. 481 00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:17,369 But first, I want to tell you a 482 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:19,619 bit more about the kind of research 483 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:21,689 that happens in the background to 484 00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:23,849 create this work and 485 00:22:23,850 --> 00:22:26,429 how that fits into another approach 486 00:22:26,430 --> 00:22:27,689 that I use. 487 00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:29,969 So the car alarm, the device 488 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:32,039 was initially conceived out of a 489 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,639 workshop that was convened by Robert 490 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,809 Janik for 491 00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:38,909 Pixel Festival. 492 00:22:38,910 --> 00:22:41,009 It was called the Slow, 493 00:22:41,010 --> 00:22:43,499 Deep Dove Underwater Interception. 494 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,659 And as part 495 00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:47,789 of it, four of us got together 496 00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:48,960 to run this workshop 497 00:22:50,940 --> 00:22:53,279 and we were looking at acoustic 498 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,409 pollution and micro 499 00:22:55,410 --> 00:22:56,519 plastic pollution. 500 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,799 And so with the 501 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,289 director of the Earth Institute, 502 00:23:01,290 --> 00:23:02,290 which I 503 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:05,879 created these where we started on the on 504 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,610 the path to create DIY chemistry 505 00:23:09,630 --> 00:23:11,759 protocols that could be used to look 506 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,459 at micro plastics in the environments. 507 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,789 So I don't know who's familiar 508 00:23:17,790 --> 00:23:21,119 with DIY science, but 509 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,189 nobody's looking like the 510 00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:24,839 one thing to jump out and say that they 511 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,840 are so 512 00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:29,339 DIY chemistry essentially is 513 00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:32,140 taking 514 00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:35,459 chemistry out of the lab and 515 00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:38,219 putting it into the public realm 516 00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:40,709 where people can do 517 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:42,719 certain types of chemistry using 518 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,819 chemicals that you can get 519 00:23:44,820 --> 00:23:46,519 off the shelf. 520 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,739 Or off the Internet, rather than 521 00:23:48,740 --> 00:23:51,079 needing a sophisticated lab with lots 522 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,680 of different licenses to do it. 523 00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:56,869 And so Gino and myself 524 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:59,479 both have scientific training and 525 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,889 way, way back. 526 00:24:01,890 --> 00:24:03,949 And so we decided to 527 00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:06,049 have a crack at seeing if 528 00:24:06,050 --> 00:24:08,479 we could extract micro plastics and 529 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,549 analyze them without the use 530 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:13,099 of a sophisticated 531 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:14,100 lab. 532 00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:17,779 So we started off trying to work on 533 00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:19,939 kelp, you know, seaweed. 534 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:21,380 It was a bit 535 00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:24,679 difficult because of the weight, 536 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,229 the strength of the the biological 537 00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:28,999 framework in the south. 538 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,279 So what we ended up doing 539 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,280 was 540 00:24:34,220 --> 00:24:36,499 moving across to fish 541 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:37,489 guts. 542 00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:39,649 And because fish girls are 543 00:24:39,650 --> 00:24:42,289 a lot easier to break down and get 544 00:24:42,290 --> 00:24:45,799 these larger identifiable particles 545 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,969 that the fish have ingested. 546 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:50,839 And so we set up 547 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,389 Sushi Roulette, which is a 548 00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:55,609 project looking at micro plastics in 549 00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:57,169 fish. 550 00:24:57,170 --> 00:24:59,539 And it's a multi day workshop 551 00:24:59,540 --> 00:25:01,639 which in which 552 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,739 participants are invited to work with us 553 00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:05,869 to use household 554 00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:08,179 products that can be like peroxide 555 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:10,759 for dyeing your hair or 556 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,099 drain cleaner, which is a hydroxide 557 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:15,829 in it, to digest 558 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:18,409 the fish guts and then filter and extract 559 00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:20,689 them and then analyze 560 00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:23,209 the different size and 561 00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:25,369 try to use a column, a 562 00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:27,559 density column to identify what 563 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,079 kind of plastics those might be. 564 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,179 And fundamental to 565 00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:34,639 this approach is that we 566 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,039 we do all of the DIY science. 567 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,319 We compare it to 568 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,689 using the 569 00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:43,819 chemicals that you need to get 570 00:25:43,820 --> 00:25:44,820 from a lab. 571 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,659 And then we 572 00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:49,729 talk about the topic as a whole and 573 00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:52,009 the kind of socio cultural aspects 574 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:54,199 of it. And then at the end of the 575 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,269 workshop, we co design with 576 00:25:56,270 --> 00:25:58,129 the participants a Pop-Up exhibition 577 00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:59,359 that's open to the public. 578 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,949 And the documentation 579 00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:06,619 you see here is from a 580 00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:08,959 workshop that we did in Norway, 581 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,119 ethnic conference in collaboration with 582 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:12,079 Picasso Festival. 583 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,080 And 584 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,669 and we used locally sourced 585 00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:18,979 Norwegian fish. 586 00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:19,980 And 587 00:26:21,140 --> 00:26:23,269 perhaps not surprisingly, but rather 588 00:26:23,270 --> 00:26:25,729 sadly, we found 589 00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:26,780 quite a lot of 590 00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:30,559 micro plastics in the fish guts. 591 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,359 But then, you know, if you've been 592 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,549 watching the news recently, that's not at 593 00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:36,139 all a surprise because it's in all our 594 00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:37,129 tap water anyway. 595 00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:39,319 So best 596 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,390 to drink out of no, maybe not. 597 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,969 Right. So but this approach, 598 00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:48,529 this bringing DIY chemistry 599 00:26:48,530 --> 00:26:50,929 together with other disciplinary 600 00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:52,999 approaches and then adding in co 601 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,949 creation is something that I've been 602 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:57,079 using also for another project that 603 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,239 I want to tell you about, 604 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,489 which is the other project mentioned 605 00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:03,139 in the abstract for this talk, which is 606 00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:05,509 vital flows and vital flows, 607 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:06,510 is a 608 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,309 kind of a two parties project. 609 00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:13,909 And the topic of vital flows is 610 00:27:13,910 --> 00:27:16,040 food and our relationship to food. 611 00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:19,519 Now, all of the projects 612 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,919 that I'm talking about here do, 613 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,660 in fact relate to 614 00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:27,559 to climate change and the environment. 615 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,269 You may not think that the food stuff 616 00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:31,069 does, but it really does because. 617 00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:33,379 Well, because food has 618 00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:35,959 a massive carbon footprint 619 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,699 food provision, it must have carbon 620 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:40,220 footprint. And it's 621 00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:43,639 an enormous factor in social 622 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,189 inequalities and health. 623 00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:49,729 And this 624 00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:52,039 is the main reason why I wanted 625 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,539 to focus on food. 626 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:56,150 It's the most easy to understand 627 00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:59,839 example of this diffuse boundary 628 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,119 between ourselves and the outside world 629 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,459 that there is, because whenever 630 00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:06,709 we eat, we take the outside world 631 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:08,779 inside ourselves, and then you 632 00:28:08,780 --> 00:28:10,819 can fill in the upper end. 633 00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:13,039 So that fight 634 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,439 or flight and vital is 635 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,940 the process 636 00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:19,849 that we use. 637 00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:23,089 And flows are my own 638 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:25,639 artistic interpretations from 639 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,380 partaking in those processes. 640 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,099 So I'm going to talk about vital 641 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:32,509 first. 642 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:35,029 And there's some growing 643 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:37,129 documentation on vital 644 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:39,679 food to talk about 645 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,599 the different processes and the different 646 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,729 tools that I'm developing with 647 00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:44,730 vital. 648 00:28:45,910 --> 00:28:48,159 So if you're interested, like the 649 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,629 some of the stuff I'm going to be talking 650 00:28:49,630 --> 00:28:51,579 about is up there and it's going to be, 651 00:28:52,750 --> 00:28:54,969 you know, updated more as 652 00:28:54,970 --> 00:28:55,970 time goes on. 653 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,459 And the. 654 00:29:00,460 --> 00:29:03,099 Yeah, so I have been 655 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:05,439 iterating on these processes 656 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,440 through 657 00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:10,239 using them in collaboration with 658 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,849 a community to communities. 659 00:29:12,850 --> 00:29:15,309 So I turned this 660 00:29:15,310 --> 00:29:17,469 project into an undergraduate 661 00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:20,139 course at University College London 662 00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:22,269 for the Arts and Sciences Bachelor's. 663 00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:23,270 And 664 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,129 and we 665 00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:29,499 run the first go of it last 666 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:31,629 year and I'm running it again 667 00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:32,650 next month 668 00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:36,529 with a whole new intake. 669 00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:38,649 And what we do 670 00:29:38,650 --> 00:29:40,719 is use not 671 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,389 just DIY chemistry, but 672 00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:46,149 also other techniques like forum theater 673 00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:49,119 and foraging, urban foraging 674 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,429 and co creation 675 00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:54,009 and mindful esthetic eating 676 00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:56,289 and cultural exchange 677 00:29:56,290 --> 00:29:58,089 and creation. 678 00:29:58,090 --> 00:30:00,519 Did I say that already to explore 679 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,379 our relationship to food? 680 00:30:02,380 --> 00:30:03,380 And 681 00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:06,969 so the DIY chemistry part, I should 682 00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:09,039 say, is it's not looking 683 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,469 for nasty things in food like the 684 00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:13,689 I decided with vital fliers 685 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:15,819 that I wanted to celebrate. 686 00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:18,159 I wanted to celebrate our relationship 687 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,439 with food because there's 688 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,389 a lot of scaremongering and maybe it's 689 00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:23,589 time for something happy. 690 00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:25,659 You know, like it's funny, I 691 00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:27,099 was thinking the other day, 692 00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:30,219 I think I turned into a bit of a hippie 693 00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:32,379 because I was thinking, you know 694 00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:34,389 what? If we just loved each other more, 695 00:30:34,390 --> 00:30:35,680 wouldn't that be nice? 696 00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:38,129 Yeah. 697 00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:40,269 Oh, so that's my 698 00:30:40,270 --> 00:30:41,199 approach for this. 699 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,189 For food, if I like. 700 00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:43,869 What if we just celebrated the nice 701 00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:45,639 things about it and kind of enriched 702 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,779 ourselves that way? 703 00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:49,029 So what I'm looking at with the 704 00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:52,239 with the DIY chemistry for food is 705 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,319 micronutrients. 706 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,569 Things are important for our health, 707 00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:57,879 but that aren't reported on the back 708 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,949 of a on the back 709 00:30:59,950 --> 00:31:01,209 of a packet, you know. 710 00:31:01,210 --> 00:31:03,429 So I developed 711 00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:05,499 two protocols that 712 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:08,319 work fairly well 713 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,049 for extracting micronutrients 714 00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:12,579 and I yeast. 715 00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:14,799 We use a DIY spectrometer 716 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,589 to characterize what 717 00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:18,729 we get out. 718 00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:20,949 So we're looking at lycopene 719 00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:23,649 and groups of polyphenols 720 00:31:23,650 --> 00:31:25,719 from tomatoes and grapes 721 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,720 respectively. 722 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,319 And it's just a start. 723 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,320 Right. But 724 00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:33,549 you can see linked off of the 725 00:31:33,550 --> 00:31:35,619 vital food website, there's a 726 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:37,689 link to the public lab, documentation 727 00:31:37,690 --> 00:31:40,149 of the development 728 00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:41,150 of those protocols. 729 00:31:42,190 --> 00:31:44,499 But essentially we're using 730 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,349 engine starter fluids and 731 00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:49,629 surgical spirit to do the extractions 732 00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:51,849 and using DIY spectrometer 733 00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:54,159 to analyze the results 734 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,409 with spectral workbench. 735 00:31:56,410 --> 00:31:58,810 And there's a comparison between 736 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,919 laboratory spectra using EUV 737 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,919 machine in the chemistry labs 738 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,839 versus the DIY spectrometer. 739 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,149 And like, it's a good start, I 740 00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:11,150 think. 741 00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:14,289 But one of the key things about 742 00:32:14,290 --> 00:32:16,569 sort of doing all of these processes, 743 00:32:16,570 --> 00:32:18,939 including, you know, including 744 00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:20,679 the Forum Theater, including cultural 745 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,180 exchange and food diaries, 746 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,180 is that 747 00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:29,019 these are techniques that 748 00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:31,179 help to give 749 00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:33,339 us a sense of agency in the world 750 00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:35,319 because we're generating knowledge for 751 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,999 ourselves by doing it. 752 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,039 And that's one of the reasons that I'm so 753 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,259 committed to DIY and citizen science, 754 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:43,539 because it really changes 755 00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:44,540 not only 756 00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:47,889 the world of science, but it changes 757 00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:49,689 the person who's doing it to and you get 758 00:32:49,690 --> 00:32:52,839 a greater sense of agency 759 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,029 in doing it. And I think, you 760 00:32:55,030 --> 00:32:56,949 know, that's why this project stemmed 761 00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:59,199 from I wanted to find something 762 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,599 that meets all of these wonderful things 763 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,249 had been experiencing through going to 764 00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:05,829 hacker spaces and learning about 765 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:08,169 DIY science and learning about 766 00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:09,489 artistic research. 767 00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:11,589 I wanted to make that all accessible to 768 00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:13,929 other people who maybe hadn't come across 769 00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:14,930 it yet. 770 00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:17,679 And so I thought this 771 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,329 setting up a suite of workshops that I 772 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:21,399 could do with communities, which 773 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,529 is what I do in other 774 00:33:23,530 --> 00:33:25,629 parts of my work, too, might be 775 00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:27,609 a good way of starting to make that sort 776 00:33:27,610 --> 00:33:28,610 of accessible. 777 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,819 And so so 778 00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:34,450 we run the workshops, 779 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:38,559 seven workshops with the young people 780 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,029 you can see on the top. 781 00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:42,249 Right. We're out foraging in 782 00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:44,859 Bakhtin Park in 783 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:47,039 Eastland. Then we were working 784 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,289 with students in sixth 785 00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:51,689 form college, and 786 00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:52,690 they 787 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:56,609 they were super great, Nerem is 788 00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:59,659 a tricky place because 789 00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:00,660 it's 790 00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:04,799 not super well off and 791 00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:07,919 it's an urban feat, which 792 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,019 means that you have to walk 793 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:12,029 a lot further to get to fresh fruit and 794 00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:14,459 vegetables than you do to have to get to 795 00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:16,829 like a fast food shop. 796 00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:20,669 And one of one of our students 797 00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:22,349 actually, right at the start, 798 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,069 one of the students from 799 00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:28,169 sixth form college said that he was 800 00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:30,779 able to tell just by 801 00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:32,908 tasting it which shop the 802 00:34:32,909 --> 00:34:34,678 fried chicken he was eating was coming 803 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,988 from. So he'd become like really 804 00:34:36,989 --> 00:34:39,899 like super expert in identifying, 805 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,178 like the source of the food that 806 00:34:42,179 --> 00:34:44,579 was most commonly coming into 807 00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:45,580 his life. 808 00:34:47,250 --> 00:34:49,468 At the end, we created this 809 00:34:49,469 --> 00:34:51,928 exhibition, which ran for a few days. 810 00:34:51,929 --> 00:34:54,238 And what was really interesting 811 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,698 was that, you know, like for the first 812 00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:59,129 run of this project, 813 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,409 I didn't bring in a lot of 814 00:35:01,410 --> 00:35:02,410 political 815 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,149 aspects, you know, even though, like 816 00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:08,369 for me, it's a highly political project. 817 00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:10,320 But what really surfaced was 818 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,589 from the from the experiences and from 819 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:16,079 the participation was 820 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,199 this idea of accessibility 821 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,509 of different types of food. 822 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:23,849 So and we didn't talk about 823 00:35:23,850 --> 00:35:26,669 being a food that's healthy food, that 824 00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:28,979 we didn't talk a huge amount about 825 00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:30,539 global supply chains. 826 00:35:30,540 --> 00:35:32,939 But actually, you know, the 827 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:34,889 installation in the bottom right is all 828 00:35:34,890 --> 00:35:37,169 about accessibility of food, 829 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:39,119 and it covers everything from financial 830 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,550 accessibility to cultural accessibility 831 00:35:43,110 --> 00:35:45,629 to physical accessibility and 832 00:35:45,630 --> 00:35:48,149 the on the top right 833 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:50,339 that for the banana journey. 834 00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:52,709 And it's about the global supply 835 00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:54,989 chain and the financial considerations 836 00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:57,299 of banana importing and 837 00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,729 what the impacts are on the environment 838 00:35:59,730 --> 00:36:00,569 for that. 839 00:36:00,570 --> 00:36:03,209 So, you know, these are 840 00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:04,949 these were the relevant questions for the 841 00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:06,599 young people I was working with. 842 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,289 And what was really 843 00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:12,539 gratifying was that it did 844 00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:13,560 seem to 845 00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:17,279 enrich how they were thinking about 846 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,919 food. So when we started off 847 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,259 in the first workshop with 848 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:24,329 the young people in sixth form college, 849 00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:26,549 I asked, what are the most what's 850 00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:29,099 the most important thing about food? 851 00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,169 And universally they answered 852 00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:33,359 it was the calorie content and 853 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,909 calorie content is a highly 854 00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:38,549 while calories are highly political 855 00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:39,479 unit. 856 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,729 Right. So the calorie was actually 857 00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:43,979 devised to 858 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:46,979 be considered to be representative 859 00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:49,349 of the amount of fuel that a food 860 00:36:49,350 --> 00:36:51,479 has in it, not the 861 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,849 nutritional content, not the taste, 862 00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:56,280 just the amount of pure energy. 863 00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:58,919 And that's not even the energy that's 864 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,209 available. It's just the energy. 865 00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:02,849 And it was done so that 866 00:37:02,850 --> 00:37:05,069 factory owners could work out 867 00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:07,199 how much fuel their workers 868 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,689 needed to run through a day, 869 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:11,909 and that that's the origin 870 00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:13,589 of the calorie. And it's not super 871 00:37:13,590 --> 00:37:15,569 representative of anything that's 872 00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:17,339 particularly useful for the person who's 873 00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:18,349 eating it. 874 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,619 And so what was 875 00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:24,719 quite interesting was that by 876 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,209 the end of the course, the 877 00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:29,279 young people's attitudes to food 878 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,679 had changed quite a lot. 879 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,749 And this is one of my favorite 880 00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:35,579 quotes from one of the participants. 881 00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:37,739 And I have a diversity of 882 00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:39,809 them that I can share with you 883 00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:40,829 if you're interested. 884 00:37:41,850 --> 00:37:44,069 And I'm putting them in a 885 00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:45,419 forthcoming paper. 886 00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:47,639 But this one this 887 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,629 one, I think is useful. 888 00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:50,249 I now connect with my food and 889 00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:52,619 experiencing it, experience it, 890 00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:54,240 using my full senses. 891 00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:59,049 It made my heart sing to 892 00:37:59,050 --> 00:38:00,050 to see that 893 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,389 because I you know, it really kind of 894 00:38:04,830 --> 00:38:06,090 felt like 895 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:10,019 there was a new esthetic appreciation, 896 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:11,020 at least 897 00:38:12,090 --> 00:38:14,309 that was coming into this young 898 00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:15,870 person's experience of food. 899 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:19,049 And that's what I was hoping for, really 900 00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:21,119 was, as I say, celebrate our 901 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,859 relationship with food and understand it 902 00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:23,909 a bit better. 903 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:26,459 And in so doing, understand 904 00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:28,739 what motivates our decisions 905 00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:30,689 about food. And then, you know, we can 906 00:38:30,690 --> 00:38:32,879 make a better judgment on what we want 907 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,159 to do when 908 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,109 we're better informed. 909 00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:40,499 So that's 910 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:41,429 I. Yes, right. 911 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:43,619 And so the tools this is 912 00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:45,409 just a useful slide for showing. 913 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:47,149 The tools, you know, that's designed on 914 00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:49,429 the on the left, we've got 915 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:51,830 a dream food menu in the middle, 916 00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:55,219 actually the dream food menus are really 917 00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:56,809 interesting in looking at the dynamics 918 00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:58,879 between people, because we had groups 919 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,919 that, you know, groups of sort of five or 920 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,259 six people. 921 00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:05,689 You see all undergraduates and UVic 922 00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:07,130 students together. 923 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:10,429 And we had some that tried 924 00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:12,799 to imagine completely 925 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,679 new recipes that synthesized 926 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,049 everybody's likes and some 927 00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:19,129 that were like, you know, we're just 928 00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:20,689 going to have a menu that everyone can 929 00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:22,889 pick what they want of it, you 930 00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:24,019 know? 931 00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:26,179 So but they all managed 932 00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:28,609 to find some sort of nice collaborative 933 00:39:28,610 --> 00:39:30,739 way of creating this new menu 934 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,260 to keep everybody happy 935 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,869 on the bottom. Right. 936 00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:38,029 That's the 937 00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:40,249 UCLA students putting together a 938 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:41,510 DIY spectrometer. 939 00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:45,229 And this is an 940 00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:47,449 example of the 941 00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:49,909 one of the protocols for 942 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:52,280 extracting lycopene from tomatoes. 943 00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:55,519 This is the layout that 944 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,949 I used, which 945 00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:59,449 is designed to be 946 00:40:00,590 --> 00:40:02,749 safe and informative and 947 00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:03,750 easy to follow. 948 00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:05,809 And this is online. 949 00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:07,939 And, uh, you know, if you 950 00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:10,249 can think of any improvements or want 951 00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:12,409 to use it yourself, then it's 952 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:14,719 up there and it's all there to be used. 953 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,119 It's so Creative 954 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,229 Commons. So go ahead, basically. 955 00:40:21,590 --> 00:40:22,629 Oh, right. Yeah. 956 00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:24,589 So naked ladies. 957 00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:26,839 No, don't look at the naked ladies. 958 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,419 Look at the picture in the middle 959 00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:32,149 while I tell you about Flo's, 960 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:34,339 which is the other half 961 00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:36,439 of vital flows. 962 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,440 And this is 963 00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:41,149 output that 964 00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:43,489 I was inspired 965 00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:44,749 to make. 966 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:46,189 It's an ongoing project. 967 00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:47,509 So that's probably going to be more 968 00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:49,879 coming out after this next round 969 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,949 of interactions 970 00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:53,419 through the workshops. 971 00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:55,489 But one of the things that I 972 00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:57,589 was really kind of interested to look at 973 00:40:57,590 --> 00:41:00,349 was this 974 00:41:00,350 --> 00:41:02,989 supernormal satisfaction 975 00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:04,340 of food 976 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,489 moving into the visual realm. 977 00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:09,319 And, you know, as you know, from what 978 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,639 I've been saying about the coral empathy 979 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,339 device, I'm really interested in this, 980 00:41:13,340 --> 00:41:15,739 the primacy that we give to visual 981 00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:18,229 and what that means for how we understand 982 00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:19,230 knowledge. 983 00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:22,229 And, you know, this 984 00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:24,589 the food porn hashtag is like you 985 00:41:24,590 --> 00:41:26,689 have massive amounts 986 00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:28,909 of images 987 00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:31,669 associated to on social media. 988 00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:33,889 And so I went through 989 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:36,049 and found some of these food porn images 990 00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:38,659 and I turned them into 991 00:41:38,660 --> 00:41:39,589 tart cards. 992 00:41:39,590 --> 00:41:41,719 Now, for those of 993 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,849 us who didn't live 994 00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:45,340 in London in the 90s. 995 00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:50,359 So cards are what 996 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,599 we see. These young ladies having 997 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,089 made to 998 00:41:56,090 --> 00:41:58,309 advertise themselves 999 00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:59,749 in London phone boxes. 1000 00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:02,209 And these are I mean, nowadays 1001 00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:05,349 they have a life span of about 1002 00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:07,679 30 minutes in a London phone box, 1003 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,219 like when I first moved to London 1004 00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:13,339 years ago, they'd be there. 1005 00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:15,739 The whole phone box would be 1006 00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:17,210 papered with them forever. 1007 00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:21,469 But so I thought it was 1008 00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:23,809 a fun juxtaposition to 1009 00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:26,269 use images 1010 00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:28,459 of food porn to starve them out 1011 00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:30,679 using the same esthetic and 1012 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,749 to rig up a whole load of 1013 00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:34,999 phone numbers 1014 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,309 with appropriate voicemail messages 1015 00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:38,310 to 1016 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,349 to receive any telephone calls and then 1017 00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:44,929 put them up in an intervention 1018 00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:46,639 in central London. 1019 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,559 So I did that last February. 1020 00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:52,459 And before you ask, 1021 00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:54,659 I haven't listened to the voicemails. 1022 00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:56,749 I'm not sure that I actually want to. 1023 00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:58,579 But I also promised myself that I 1024 00:42:58,580 --> 00:42:59,620 wouldn't say 1025 00:43:01,250 --> 00:43:03,559 so. That was that's cos 1026 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,559 it's the first intervention from 1027 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,159 flows. 1028 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,599 And the second I want to talk to you 1029 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,819 about is the sensual eating 1030 00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:11,820 talismans 1031 00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:15,259 and the sensual eating talismans are 1032 00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:17,659 all about this kind of flux and flow 1033 00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:19,519 of the boundaries of the self through 1034 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,599 food. 1035 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,149 And I want to read to you 1036 00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:25,130 the poem that actually 1037 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,959 that the that the placards 1038 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,079 beneath the talismans are inspired by, 1039 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,719 and it's called The Mistake by 1040 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,639 D.H. Lawrence. 1041 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,260 So warning poetry 1042 00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:42,859 they call all experience of the senses 1043 00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:45,050 mystic when the experience is. 1044 00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:48,909 So an apple becomes mystic 1045 00:43:48,910 --> 00:43:50,829 when I taste in it, the summer and the 1046 00:43:50,830 --> 00:43:53,049 snows, the wild welter 1047 00:43:53,050 --> 00:43:55,179 of earth and the insistence of the 1048 00:43:55,180 --> 00:43:57,309 sun, all of 1049 00:43:57,310 --> 00:43:59,469 which things I can surely taste 1050 00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:00,470 in a good apple, 1051 00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:03,819 those some apples taste preponderantly of 1052 00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:06,129 water, wet and sour, 1053 00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:08,199 and some of too much sun, 1054 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,479 brackish, sweet like lagoon 1055 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,719 water that has been too much sand. 1056 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,849 If I say I taste these things in an 1057 00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:18,039 apple, I am called mystic, which 1058 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,019 means a liar. 1059 00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:22,119 The only way to win an apple is to 1060 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,309 hog it down like a pig and taste 1061 00:44:24,310 --> 00:44:25,209 nothing. 1062 00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:26,210 This is real, 1063 00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:29,439 but if I eat an apple, 1064 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,749 I like to eat it with all of my senses 1065 00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:33,819 awake, hogging it down like 1066 00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:35,889 a pig. I call the feeding 1067 00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:36,890 of corpses. 1068 00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:42,129 And I want to say thank you to 1069 00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:44,289 Simon Barraclough, who is a 1070 00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:46,449 friend of mine, who, when he 1071 00:44:46,450 --> 00:44:48,939 saw the sensual eating talismans, 1072 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:51,249 pointed me towards this poem, 1073 00:44:51,250 --> 00:44:53,349 which I think more 1074 00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:55,509 adeptly than anything I can do, sums up 1075 00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:58,179 actually what I'm aiming for 1076 00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:59,800 with vital flows. 1077 00:45:01,810 --> 00:45:03,639 So those are the talismans. 1078 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,429 And so there's a whole load of talismans. 1079 00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:10,989 You take them with you and 1080 00:45:10,990 --> 00:45:13,359 keep it with you. And when you eat 1081 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,429 you you use it as an 1082 00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:18,009 icon to remind yourself 1083 00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:20,259 of this process 1084 00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:22,629 that you're engaging in, 1085 00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:24,549 this kind of communing with the world 1086 00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:26,649 that you're engaging in, because we do 1087 00:45:26,650 --> 00:45:28,179 it when we're breathing tube. 1088 00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:30,159 You know, if we thought about that all 1089 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,779 the time, we'd probably never get 1090 00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:32,780 anything done. 1091 00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:36,489 So finally, I want to talk to you about 1092 00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:38,619 the project that I'm working on at the 1093 00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:40,779 moment. And I'm going to keep it quite 1094 00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:42,879 brief. But this is the matter of 1095 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,129 the soul. It's the project that I 1096 00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:47,349 began this year on my residency in 1097 00:45:47,350 --> 00:45:49,599 the Arctic. And I traveled to Baffin 1098 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,879 Island in Canada 1099 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,679 for the Canadian high Arctic 1100 00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:56,889 as the first step in this project. 1101 00:45:56,890 --> 00:45:59,499 And I'm developing it now as part of my 1102 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:01,329 fellowship at Leeds. 1103 00:46:01,330 --> 00:46:03,579 And The 1104 00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:05,889 Matter of the Soul is taking 1105 00:46:05,890 --> 00:46:08,199 the approach used in the coral empathy 1106 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,219 device. 1107 00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:11,799 But instead of trying to 1108 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,529 create empathy with a non-human species, 1109 00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:16,899 it's trying to create empathy with 1110 00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,629 an entire ecological region, 1111 00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:21,849 which is the Arctic, 1112 00:46:21,850 --> 00:46:24,699 and specifically trying to engender 1113 00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:27,519 a feeling of dispersal 1114 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,780 and transformation. 1115 00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:32,469 And the focus 1116 00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:34,989 is on dispersal and transformation, 1117 00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:35,990 because 1118 00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:41,139 I wanted to think about melting 1119 00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:43,269 in a different way and 1120 00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:45,309 I wanted to think about migrating in a 1121 00:46:45,310 --> 00:46:47,049 different way. 1122 00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:49,959 So the transformation 1123 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,809 between water molecules 1124 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:55,059 in water, 1125 00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:58,329 in ice and water molecules in seawater 1126 00:46:58,330 --> 00:47:00,160 is a physical one. 1127 00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:05,049 The water molecules both 1128 00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:07,119 comprise the ice or the 1129 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,429 seawater, but are also 1130 00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:11,499 affected by the 1131 00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:13,899 emergent properties of multiple 1132 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:16,749 water molecules being in that state. 1133 00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:19,029 And you can consider that 1134 00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:20,769 we humans 1135 00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:24,279 act in the same way in our cultures. 1136 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,280 So 1137 00:47:26,590 --> 00:47:28,869 I think one of the reasons I 1138 00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:31,809 started thinking about this is because 1139 00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:34,089 I emigrated here to 1140 00:47:34,090 --> 00:47:36,729 Germany a few years ago and I noticed 1141 00:47:36,730 --> 00:47:39,249 that there were forces 1142 00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:41,499 acting on me, but also that my 1143 00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:43,119 presence and the presence of other 1144 00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:47,259 other migrants was changing 1145 00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:49,749 things around 1146 00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:52,089 me in the in the place 1147 00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:53,679 where I lived. 1148 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,569 And you can think about water molecules 1149 00:47:55,570 --> 00:47:56,409 doing the same thing. 1150 00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:58,869 So I can specifically, 1151 00:47:58,870 --> 00:48:01,269 if you think about a water molecule 1152 00:48:01,270 --> 00:48:03,489 and if it's kind 1153 00:48:03,490 --> 00:48:04,840 of sitting 1154 00:48:06,070 --> 00:48:09,069 quite tightly held, you know, 1155 00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:11,019 but it's still vibrating, but you move it 1156 00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:12,729 into water and it's got loads more 1157 00:48:12,730 --> 00:48:14,439 motion. It's kind of dancing around a lot 1158 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,459 more. But it's also 1159 00:48:16,510 --> 00:48:18,699 if you're talking about 1160 00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:20,949 ice in the Arctic and 1161 00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:23,439 seawater, like it's also surrounded 1162 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,599 by lots of other agents that are changing 1163 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,059 how it behaves to, you know, sort of that 1164 00:48:28,060 --> 00:48:30,999 sodium and chlorine 1165 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,529 floating about all those ions are 1166 00:48:32,530 --> 00:48:33,969 changing how it's behaving. 1167 00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:38,259 So I wanted to think about these 1168 00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:41,739 these transitions without 1169 00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:43,719 applying to them the. 1170 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,189 Sort of judgmental aspects that 1171 00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:48,300 we normally 1172 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,419 give to the 1173 00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:52,769 effects of climate change, 1174 00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:56,249 because I think that maybe that's 1175 00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:58,349 quite a useful thing when we when we 1176 00:48:58,350 --> 00:49:00,839 start to think about climate 1177 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,459 change, actually, and what our 1178 00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:04,499 motivations are for doing things about 1179 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:06,689 it, you know, I think 1180 00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:08,139 it's bad. But why do I think it's bad? 1181 00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:10,679 Well, I think it's mostly because 1182 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,689 in the end, it's going to hurt human 1183 00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:15,119 beings and irrevocably change 1184 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,019 the planet. 1185 00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:18,539 And and I think that, 1186 00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:20,849 you know, kind of bringing ourselves 1187 00:49:20,850 --> 00:49:23,129 back into thinking about, you know, like, 1188 00:49:23,130 --> 00:49:25,349 why do we care about it might 1189 00:49:25,350 --> 00:49:28,019 be quite an interesting way forward. 1190 00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:30,269 So not very finely 1191 00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:32,399 crafted brain thoughts coming 1192 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,379 out, but that's because it's a work in 1193 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:35,380 progress. So 1194 00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:39,209 the aim with it is to use 1195 00:49:39,210 --> 00:49:42,149 load of recordings 1196 00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:44,369 that I made 1197 00:49:44,370 --> 00:49:46,619 when I was in the Arctic 1198 00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:49,679 to create music that 1199 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,779 will be played through a sculpture in 1200 00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:54,269 the same way as the Coral Sea device, 1201 00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:55,270 but different. 1202 00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:57,580 And 1203 00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:01,829 yeah. And so that's 1204 00:50:01,830 --> 00:50:03,389 that's going to happen over the next 1205 00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:05,699 year. I'm going to create it the 1206 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:07,679 the sounds that come out of. 1207 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,779 So I'm measuring 1208 00:50:09,780 --> 00:50:11,549 rather than making the recordings of the 1209 00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:14,789 water, I am 1210 00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:15,790 measuring 1211 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,529 the acidity, the ocean, the salinity 1212 00:50:19,530 --> 00:50:21,749 of the water and then taking sounds 1213 00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:23,129 from those measurements. 1214 00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:24,130 So it's also 1215 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:27,179 it's also a critique on the act of 1216 00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:29,549 measurement as a way of engaging 1217 00:50:29,550 --> 00:50:31,829 with the environment, which is 1218 00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:34,109 something that, if you watch 1219 00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:36,119 carefully, is actually an undercurrent in 1220 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,399 my work that kind of 1221 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,000 shows through in the other projects, too. 1222 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,169 So it's exploring the active 1223 00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:45,629 measurement as well sonically. 1224 00:50:45,630 --> 00:50:47,969 And the 1225 00:50:47,970 --> 00:50:50,069 sounds come out of 1226 00:50:50,070 --> 00:50:52,469 the Schmitz's and conductivity 1227 00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:54,599 meter hacks, which 1228 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,249 were initially hacked with the help of 1229 00:50:56,250 --> 00:50:58,319 Simon Schaffer from Monet Shop in 1230 00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,320 Berlin. 1231 00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:02,609 And I'm going to play you 1232 00:51:02,610 --> 00:51:05,069 a quite quick video 1233 00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:06,689 that gives you an idea of some of the raw 1234 00:51:06,690 --> 00:51:09,149 sounds. So these are unedited 1235 00:51:09,150 --> 00:51:10,529 sounds. 1236 00:51:10,530 --> 00:51:12,749 Oh, hang 1237 00:51:12,750 --> 00:51:14,250 on. There we go. 1238 00:51:15,330 --> 00:51:16,489 Which I hope you're going to hear. 1239 00:52:26,110 --> 00:52:27,699 I'm going to make a symphony out of that 1240 00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:30,069 somehow, right? 1241 00:52:30,070 --> 00:52:32,409 And so without further ado, 1242 00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:33,460 that is 1243 00:52:34,810 --> 00:52:37,149 me pretty much done and I'd like to 1244 00:52:37,150 --> 00:52:40,029 answer questions because I've got time. 1245 00:52:40,030 --> 00:52:42,309 But just want to say 1246 00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:44,409 before we get to that, thank you 1247 00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:46,779 to all of these people who are listed 1248 00:52:46,780 --> 00:52:49,509 on here. Without them, I wouldn't 1249 00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:51,639 be here in front of you having 1250 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,919 had the opportunity to tell you 1251 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,019 about this work, which I hope you 1252 00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:57,169 find interesting. 1253 00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:59,409 And thank you very much for sticking 1254 00:52:59,410 --> 00:53:00,939 with me and listening. 1255 00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:06,780 Thank you very much, Ted. 1256 00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:10,669 We have eight minutes for questions, 1257 00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:12,199 if you have any. I see there is a 1258 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,329 question and the IOC maybe we start with 1259 00:53:14,330 --> 00:53:16,039 that. And if you want to ask questions, 1260 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,199 there are microphones here and there. 1261 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,000 So just come to them and ask. 1262 00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:23,239 So the question from the Internet is 1263 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,549 related to the beginning of the talk, 1264 00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:27,589 the part about the corals and just read 1265 00:53:27,590 --> 00:53:28,590 the question. 1266 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,339 In my understanding, Centonze is a 1267 00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:32,809 prerequisite for empathy. 1268 00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:34,729 Accurately showing compassion for an 1269 00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:36,889 entity seems to require subjective 1270 00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:38,959 evaluative awareness on the part 1271 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,969 of the being we empathize with. 1272 00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:43,039 Would you agree? And in light of that, 1273 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,259 could you clarify your arguments for 1274 00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:46,309 coral sentience? 1275 00:53:46,310 --> 00:53:48,499 Or in other words, why does it make more 1276 00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,599 sense to empathize with the coral than it 1277 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,399 would to empathize with the piece of 1278 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,400 chalk? 1279 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,530 Thank you very much for the question. 1280 00:53:59,690 --> 00:54:01,939 You know, considering that I'm 1281 00:54:01,940 --> 00:54:04,309 now trying to empathize with an entire 1282 00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:06,379 ecosystem, I know I don't 1283 00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:08,299 agree that there has to be sentience on 1284 00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:09,860 the other end for empathy. 1285 00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:13,760 My starting 1286 00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:17,179 my starting point for empathy 1287 00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:20,000 is to feel with another 1288 00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:25,189 rather than to just feel for another. 1289 00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:27,349 But I don't think that sentience 1290 00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:28,790 is a prerequisite for that. 1291 00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:33,029 OK, thank you. 1292 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:34,559 Are there any more questions, just come 1293 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:35,549 to the microphone, please. 1294 00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:36,800 No one is next to you. 1295 00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:41,089 Yes, I 1296 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,569 first of all, thanks a lot for your super 1297 00:54:44,570 --> 00:54:46,219 interesting talk. 1298 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:48,109 Finally get a chance to actually discover 1299 00:54:48,110 --> 00:54:49,110 your work. 1300 00:54:50,010 --> 00:54:52,129 We are friends. We just actually 1301 00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:54,229 get to see each other and anyway 1302 00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:55,609 learn about each other's work. 1303 00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:58,249 And so you're 1304 00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:00,889 talking a lot about the, you know, 1305 00:55:00,890 --> 00:55:01,969 sensual knowledge. 1306 00:55:01,970 --> 00:55:03,289 I don't know if you would call it that or 1307 00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:05,419 just acknowledges that we acquire 1308 00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:07,519 through diverse senses, 1309 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,409 maybe less focused on the visual sense. 1310 00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:11,149 And I'm actually wondering, because 1311 00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:13,159 there's, um. 1312 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,779 Well, I'm aware of it since like the 1313 00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:17,599 early 2000s, this new, 1314 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,879 like branch and academia that 1315 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,489 is, you know, the sensory turn 1316 00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:24,979 and, you know, also going 1317 00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:26,719 against while there is a certain like 1318 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,939 school that is in Montreal going against 1319 00:55:28,940 --> 00:55:31,009 like, you know, visual, like 1320 00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:31,909 visual, lissome. 1321 00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:34,069 And and I'm actually wondering, like, how 1322 00:55:34,070 --> 00:55:36,559 you relate to 1323 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,079 I mean, it's a it's a huge trade. 1324 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,829 It's a little bit and yeah. 1325 00:55:39,830 --> 00:55:41,839 I'm wondering, like, how you see your 1326 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,979 work relating to that and 1327 00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:46,339 maybe maybe taking a stand 1328 00:55:46,340 --> 00:55:47,989 or maybe you actually don't want to, you 1329 00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:50,209 know, be part of any of this 1330 00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:51,569 movement at all. 1331 00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:52,909 I'm just curious. 1332 00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:55,129 I know it's a very large question, but 1333 00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:57,229 maybe you could give us, like, some 1334 00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:59,459 some insight into that. 1335 00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:00,379 Thanks. 1336 00:56:00,380 --> 00:56:02,059 Thank you for the question, Lauren. 1337 00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:07,309 So I guess. 1338 00:56:07,310 --> 00:56:09,379 Yeah, no, I 1339 00:56:09,380 --> 00:56:10,760 would say 1340 00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:15,019 from the get go the 1341 00:56:15,020 --> 00:56:16,220 works that I'm 1342 00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:20,509 using to create empathy 1343 00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:22,639 or to try to engender empathy are 1344 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,309 experiments rather than answers. 1345 00:56:25,310 --> 00:56:27,499 So they they're 1346 00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:29,030 a form of questioning. 1347 00:56:30,350 --> 00:56:32,449 And partially what 1348 00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:34,849 I'm questioning is 1349 00:56:34,850 --> 00:56:36,709 what the relation of these different 1350 00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:39,499 senses has to our 1351 00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,920 ability to know in different ways. 1352 00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:45,799 And so, you know, I guess 1353 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,509 what you're referring to kind of relates 1354 00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:49,639 to all sorts of things from 1355 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,859 like the the primacy of 1356 00:56:51,860 --> 00:56:54,559 vision argument to a 1357 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,559 different stratifications 1358 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,110 of knowledge and knowledge grids, 1359 00:57:02,030 --> 00:57:04,129 which also relates to consciousness. 1360 00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:06,379 But I think what I 1361 00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:08,749 I don't have a position on it 1362 00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:10,010 except that, 1363 00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:14,059 except that 1364 00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:16,399 what I'm using is the basis 1365 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,769 for my experimentation is 1366 00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:20,929 the work, the 1367 00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:23,719 phenomenological work 1368 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,909 looking at embodied knowledge, 1369 00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:28,699 which is a multisensory approach. 1370 00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:31,339 So I guess I'm playing with 1371 00:57:31,340 --> 00:57:33,499 lots of senses and seeing 1372 00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:35,929 both subjectively and 1373 00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:38,269 hopefully in collaboration 1374 00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:39,439 objectively. 1375 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,749 What answers I can find 1376 00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:43,489 through those experiments. 1377 00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:45,829 Um, with the 1378 00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:47,960 with vital of are, 1379 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,799 there's a real focus on multisensory 1380 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,569 experience of food and 1381 00:57:54,830 --> 00:57:57,379 there is evidence definitely that 1382 00:57:57,380 --> 00:57:59,779 if you pair up 1383 00:57:59,780 --> 00:58:02,119 taste with other senses, visual, 1384 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,519 visual or auditory 1385 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,679 senses, it changes 1386 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,939 your taste perception. 1387 00:58:07,940 --> 00:58:09,019 And that's one of the things that we 1388 00:58:09,020 --> 00:58:10,519 explore in the workshops. 1389 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,520 And so, 1390 00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:15,979 you know, on that basis, 1391 00:58:15,980 --> 00:58:18,289 I would say that I'm more 1392 00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:20,239 in the camp of 1393 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,109 appreciating more of the senses 1394 00:58:24,110 --> 00:58:26,749 and appreciating the senses, 1395 00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:28,190 not in isolation. 1396 00:58:30,980 --> 00:58:33,049 Any more questions? 1397 00:58:33,050 --> 00:58:35,540 Yes, take the microphone. 1398 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,549 So thank you for your talk. 1399 00:58:41,550 --> 00:58:43,679 There were parts of it that I mean, that 1400 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,749 one particular part that I particularly 1401 00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:48,659 resonated with me was the poetry. 1402 00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:50,939 And it's interesting because with climate 1403 00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:53,189 change, we're often I think 1404 00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:55,379 many people are intellectually able 1405 00:58:55,380 --> 00:58:56,909 to engage with the topic. 1406 00:58:56,910 --> 00:58:58,379 But the challenge is often going from 1407 00:58:58,380 --> 00:59:00,359 thinking to feeling, which I look looks 1408 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,319 like something that's something that 1409 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,309 you're interested in. 1410 00:59:02,310 --> 00:59:04,229 And poetry often does that to me, as does 1411 00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:05,249 music. 1412 00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:07,319 Do you find that to reach 1413 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,939 different audiences? 1414 00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:09,929 You know, you've done your work with 1415 00:59:09,930 --> 00:59:11,609 music. You work with something that's 1416 00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:13,319 more immersive and sensorial. 1417 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,569 Do you find that a particular medium 1418 00:59:15,570 --> 00:59:18,029 works better or is that what 1419 00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:20,129 what, um, how do 1420 00:59:20,130 --> 00:59:22,170 you choose your medium in that context? 1421 00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:24,549 Thank you for the question. 1422 00:59:24,550 --> 00:59:25,550 I love my question. 1423 00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:29,549 So, yes, I 1424 00:59:29,550 --> 00:59:31,799 think that different approaches work with 1425 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:32,939 different people. 1426 00:59:34,050 --> 00:59:35,759 I don't think it's very easy to 1427 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,259 generalize what's going to work with 1428 00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:39,479 whom. But the two approaches 1429 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,819 that I'm really aiming 1430 00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:44,189 for are these these embodied approaches 1431 00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:46,289 and also experiential approaches, 1432 00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:49,619 which are the workshops where 1433 00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:52,229 we kind of explore multiple 1434 00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:54,449 different modes 1435 00:59:54,450 --> 00:59:56,729 of connecting with knowledge, generating 1436 00:59:56,730 --> 00:59:57,730 knowledge. 1437 00:59:58,530 --> 01:00:00,959 So I suppose uncritically 1438 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,879 one might call that a bit of a scattergun 1439 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:03,880 approach. 1440 01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:07,259 My hope is that what 1441 01:00:07,260 --> 01:00:09,569 I do is a small contribution 1442 01:00:09,570 --> 01:00:11,849 to lots of creative and creative 1443 01:00:11,850 --> 01:00:13,979 outputs of people working 1444 01:00:15,150 --> 01:00:16,410 to address this problem, 1445 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,069 and that I hope that people will 1446 01:00:20,070 --> 01:00:22,379 self select to engage with 1447 01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:25,079 the things that touch them most 1448 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,160 in order to address it. 1449 01:00:29,540 --> 01:00:32,059 OK, we have one more minute. 1450 01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:33,420 So one last question. 1451 01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:35,659 Thank you for your talk. 1452 01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:37,759 I was just trying to 1453 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,039 summarize what you were saying 1454 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,229 for myself, and I thought, 1455 01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:45,109 OK, if I'm going to try to tell 1456 01:00:45,110 --> 01:00:47,899 what you're doing, I could also say 1457 01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:50,029 it's some kind of education 1458 01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:52,259 about climate change. 1459 01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:54,439 And then I was wondering what 1460 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,599 is actually the difference between 1461 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,819 an artistic intervention and 1462 01:00:58,820 --> 01:00:59,929 education? 1463 01:01:01,430 --> 01:01:03,529 So why is you use the 1464 01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:05,629 umbrella of artistic 1465 01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:06,650 here in this? 1466 01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:10,009 I hope this question is not 1467 01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:12,769 offensive at all. 1468 01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:14,419 You have every right to raise any 1469 01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:15,889 question that you see fit to. 1470 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,099 And, you know, it's 1471 01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:21,229 interesting because, like, obviously, 1472 01:01:21,230 --> 01:01:23,089 you know, one of the projects happens 1473 01:01:23,090 --> 01:01:24,829 within an education to educational 1474 01:01:24,830 --> 01:01:25,929 environments. Right? 1475 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,809 I would say the difference 1476 01:01:29,810 --> 01:01:32,869 is that 1477 01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:34,999 I'm providing a means 1478 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,399 by which to raise questions 1479 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,110 and seek your own answers 1480 01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:43,519 in that project rather than, 1481 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,829 uh, rather than 1482 01:01:45,830 --> 01:01:48,139 kind of giving what I would consider 1483 01:01:48,140 --> 01:01:49,489 a classical education. 1484 01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:51,739 I'm not I'm not educating 1485 01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:53,179 people about climate change. 1486 01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:54,649 I think there's a lot of information 1487 01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:55,849 about climate change. 1488 01:01:55,850 --> 01:01:57,919 And it's all a lot clearer 1489 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,169 than what I'm doing, which 1490 01:02:00,170 --> 01:02:02,419 with with some of my projects 1491 01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:04,519 is to try and work out how 1492 01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:07,909 to create a more emotional engagement 1493 01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:09,709 with it and with others. 1494 01:02:09,710 --> 01:02:11,539 It's to try and work out how 1495 01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:15,739 investigating something for oneself 1496 01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:17,719 changes the self. 1497 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,659 So does that answer 1498 01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:21,979 your question? 1499 01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:23,479 Sort of. 1500 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,879 Um, I don't know how to better answer 1501 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,979 it, so maybe we can have a chat about 1502 01:02:27,980 --> 01:02:29,999 it afterwards instead. 1503 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,300 OK, I segment on high. 1504 01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:35,949 Maybe art can be educating too, 1505 01:02:35,950 --> 01:02:38,359 so maybe I'm not sure it's its primary 1506 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,369 aim and it's certainly not my primary aim 1507 01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:43,009 with this work either, but. 1508 01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:45,079 Well thank you very much for your talk. 1509 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,149 I really would like to enjoy a 1510 01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:49,439 fresh apple with my full sense as a way 1511 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,799 to give a warm applause 1512 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,119 to Cat Aften.