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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/615 Thanks! 1 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,460 The main idea of this is, 2 00:00:17,810 --> 00:00:19,969 as you will see in the slides, I'm 3 00:00:19,970 --> 00:00:22,219 not like all your developers over here 4 00:00:22,220 --> 00:00:24,649 and we're having these very clean code 5 00:00:24,650 --> 00:00:26,210 with all the commands you need. 6 00:00:27,860 --> 00:00:29,779 Easy to read, easy to to do. 7 00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:31,579 My slides are kind of fucked up, 8 00:00:33,140 --> 00:00:35,270 mainly because my arrival was 9 00:00:37,130 --> 00:00:39,289 the last slide was edited about 20 10 00:00:39,290 --> 00:00:40,789 minutes ago. 11 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:42,889 So excuse me, typos and something 12 00:00:42,890 --> 00:00:43,429 like that. 13 00:00:43,430 --> 00:00:46,549 And the idea of this is and 14 00:00:46,550 --> 00:00:50,119 I consider myself never 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,120 a hacker. 16 00:00:52,670 --> 00:00:54,889 As for example, I don't know how 17 00:00:54,890 --> 00:00:56,959 to click to yes, 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,299 and exactly because of this, 19 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:01,729 I'm neither a software engineer 20 00:01:01,730 --> 00:01:03,979 and Neila, I do 21 00:01:03,980 --> 00:01:06,049 things my relatives 22 00:01:06,050 --> 00:01:08,029 would consider coding. 23 00:01:08,030 --> 00:01:09,909 I wouldn't dare to say it here. 24 00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:11,869 Stealings, scripts and something like 25 00:01:11,870 --> 00:01:13,019 that. 26 00:01:13,020 --> 00:01:14,020 Um. 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,769 What I do was introduced by 28 00:01:18,770 --> 00:01:20,879 little stage manager, Sunday Morning 29 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,219 Herald, hired by the 30 00:01:23,220 --> 00:01:25,469 Herald while I was freckling around 31 00:01:25,470 --> 00:01:26,939 with my notebook. 32 00:01:26,940 --> 00:01:28,579 Oh no, my daughters, by the way, 33 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:32,009 mine has no proper output 34 00:01:32,010 --> 00:01:33,010 for the display. 35 00:01:35,940 --> 00:01:38,009 By the way, the second sentence of 36 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:40,009 the describing of my daughter after that, 37 00:01:40,010 --> 00:01:42,239 it was but the relevant thing 38 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,549 is and then she starts with the funny 39 00:01:44,550 --> 00:01:46,919 things. I loved that because I couldn't 40 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,319 have done it up front because everything 41 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,289 was messed up. 42 00:01:50,290 --> 00:01:51,659 I ought to build. 43 00:01:51,660 --> 00:01:53,879 We convinced us that in Germany 44 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,979 it's legally the stuff 45 00:01:55,980 --> 00:01:58,169 I rebuilt my house and sing. 46 00:01:58,170 --> 00:02:00,299 So but actually 47 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,669 HeartWare first thing is 48 00:02:02,670 --> 00:02:05,399 how do you find interesting projects? 49 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,469 I recommend to say, 50 00:02:07,470 --> 00:02:09,508 oh, that might interest me if you're not 51 00:02:09,509 --> 00:02:10,509 interested in it. 52 00:02:11,570 --> 00:02:13,659 It kind of wouldn't work out, I guess 53 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,419 so, of course, the easiest way 54 00:02:17,420 --> 00:02:19,279 to make open-Heart when some kind 55 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,710 happened is crowd funding. 56 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,899 This I don't know who knows about this 57 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:29,209 device. It's it's it's 58 00:02:29,210 --> 00:02:31,249 a project on Hecate. 59 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:33,079 It's a little Adreno device. 60 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,539 It has an outlet screen, 61 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:37,759 if I remember correctly, and touch 62 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,760 field. And 63 00:02:40,310 --> 00:02:41,929 it's an offline password. 64 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:44,179 Keepa you 65 00:02:44,180 --> 00:02:46,459 are most of us I see are very 66 00:02:46,460 --> 00:02:49,219 young and can remember all the passwords 67 00:02:49,220 --> 00:02:50,539 and usernames. 68 00:02:50,540 --> 00:02:52,129 I'm too old for that. 69 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:54,289 And this device is 70 00:02:54,290 --> 00:02:56,509 nice because it acts 71 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:59,089 like a normal keyboard to use the 72 00:02:59,090 --> 00:03:00,559 output for that. 73 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,899 It's an admin based smart 74 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:05,749 card reader only screen. 75 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:08,139 So it's kinda I still 76 00:03:08,140 --> 00:03:10,249 don't know what it is. I say it's free 77 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:12,739 factors because you need the device 78 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:14,929 on your credits are stored 79 00:03:14,930 --> 00:03:16,009 encrypted in that. 80 00:03:17,730 --> 00:03:19,859 With this shit, I always 81 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:22,319 have to read up and have a slight 82 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,429 idea of what that means and you need 83 00:03:24,430 --> 00:03:25,430 to smartcard. 84 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,139 And trappin for your smartcard. 85 00:03:28,140 --> 00:03:30,329 So from my counting is three 86 00:03:30,330 --> 00:03:32,489 other people only call it to because of 87 00:03:32,490 --> 00:03:34,589 the smart card and and 88 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:37,049 PIN, I always get confused with that. 89 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:39,569 Never mind. I said, that's fine, because 90 00:03:39,570 --> 00:03:42,059 I hang around on so many and 91 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:44,339 sometimes I stumble upon I 92 00:03:44,340 --> 00:03:45,629 was I locked in here. 93 00:03:45,630 --> 00:03:47,609 Do I have a card. 94 00:03:47,610 --> 00:03:49,079 I don't know. 95 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,959 And maybe this will help in the future. 96 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,149 And for people who are interested 97 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:55,150 in that, that's 98 00:03:57,180 --> 00:03:59,159 what sort of smart card it is. 99 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,749 No idea what that means. 100 00:04:00,750 --> 00:04:03,119 Develop and Hockaday and 101 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,349 the filming was done through Indiegogo. 102 00:04:05,350 --> 00:04:07,679 I guess that might be the first type 103 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,419 on the slides. 104 00:04:09,420 --> 00:04:10,420 Um, 105 00:04:11,670 --> 00:04:13,769 so they did 106 00:04:13,770 --> 00:04:16,109 it kinda in the right way, I think, 107 00:04:16,110 --> 00:04:18,148 because they started already. 108 00:04:18,149 --> 00:04:19,679 Hecker's I guess. I guess. 109 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,119 Hecate They quicksort. 110 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,470 Who knows that I take a day. 111 00:04:23,490 --> 00:04:25,559 Yeah I get that much so 112 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,959 I kinda get on cold turkey 113 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,359 if I don't read it two or three days. 114 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,719 And so I was kind 115 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,449 of existing community, lots of input 116 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:38,309 and contribution from the, from the 117 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:40,349 community saying oh it would be nice of 118 00:04:40,350 --> 00:04:42,569 that with size and all 119 00:04:42,570 --> 00:04:45,629 this. And they had working prototypes 120 00:04:45,630 --> 00:04:47,789 which I really recommend to look 121 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:49,739 out Kickstarter awesome. 122 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:51,839 Hasn't and often failed 123 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:54,419 with projects I don't where 124 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:55,740 there aren't prototypes, 125 00:04:56,940 --> 00:04:59,009 even those are the funding kind 126 00:04:59,010 --> 00:05:01,709 of get close to failing. 127 00:05:01,710 --> 00:05:03,869 And then you come to a point, if I 128 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:05,160 ever were to campaign, 129 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:09,269 I would think about nice 130 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:11,549 perks to do something like, 131 00:05:11,550 --> 00:05:13,589 Oh, I really want this, but I don't want 132 00:05:13,590 --> 00:05:15,659 to buy two devices for one hundred 133 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:17,699 and fifty euros. Maybe there's a little I 134 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:19,859 can add to, or if several people 135 00:05:19,860 --> 00:05:21,989 do so it will happen 136 00:05:21,990 --> 00:05:23,759 and they actually have that. 137 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,289 They allow you to design your own 138 00:05:25,290 --> 00:05:26,290 smartcards. 139 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,549 What you see here is actually artwork 140 00:05:29,550 --> 00:05:30,600 of a colleague of mine 141 00:05:32,190 --> 00:05:34,409 and some weird fonts 142 00:05:34,410 --> 00:05:36,749 I found the upper one is 143 00:05:36,750 --> 00:05:39,389 something Bernard Shaw 144 00:05:39,390 --> 00:05:41,459 invented and the other 145 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:44,699 one is Shadow from 146 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,229 Babylon five. 147 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:47,129 Some mice. 148 00:05:47,130 --> 00:05:50,509 No, um. 149 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:52,809 It nearly failed anyway, 150 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:53,779 it was not discussed. 151 00:05:53,780 --> 00:05:56,119 Oh, do custom perks and but 152 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,369 they choose wisely because 153 00:05:58,370 --> 00:06:00,499 the Indigo Girls allowed to expand that 154 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:01,399 line. 155 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,380 So if you aren't sure about that, you 156 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,919 may think about maybe 157 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,899 I want something with a deadline that's 158 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:11,479 allowed to expand for reasons or 159 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,669 maybe there is something where you don't 160 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:16,459 have to reach a goal and communicate 161 00:06:16,460 --> 00:06:17,460 what happened. 162 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,659 Yeah, that is a fucked 163 00:06:21,660 --> 00:06:23,819 up slide, uh, 164 00:06:23,820 --> 00:06:26,219 OK. Next thing, crowdfund, 165 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:28,809 I did that with a with a 166 00:06:28,810 --> 00:06:30,539 multi multipart and I did. 167 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:32,939 It was in a way and I guess I didn't 168 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:35,159 have to explain that much about 169 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,719 the Nubeena project. 170 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,849 And I think Bonnie's blog is known by 171 00:06:38,850 --> 00:06:39,869 enough nerds. 172 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:41,969 I, I kind of stumbled in a different 173 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:43,019 way about it. 174 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:45,119 Sometimes I look at what open hardware 175 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,309 is there. And when I found 176 00:06:47,310 --> 00:06:49,409 it very early as he was driving us 177 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:51,689 as a hobby project, 178 00:06:51,690 --> 00:06:53,969 I think I stumbled across. 179 00:06:53,970 --> 00:06:56,309 I told a friend about another 180 00:06:56,310 --> 00:06:58,109 project and that was on. 181 00:06:58,110 --> 00:06:59,999 So this is when and I said, oh, maybe you 182 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,069 have given this project a 183 00:07:02,070 --> 00:07:04,469 look. He makes a little gathering 184 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:06,149 and he had these prototypes. 185 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:08,549 Here was only two 186 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:10,679 wasps and bunnies and 187 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,479 they showed it around and ask people. 188 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,609 And that's very important because if you 189 00:07:14,610 --> 00:07:16,709 want to do you finally want 190 00:07:16,710 --> 00:07:18,929 to do something people actually want 191 00:07:18,930 --> 00:07:20,309 to have. 192 00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:22,349 And that will only happen if you talk to 193 00:07:22,350 --> 00:07:23,939 them. Otherwise, you have to do this 194 00:07:23,940 --> 00:07:25,499 weird stuff companies do. 195 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:26,879 We are guessing and we are doing 196 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,949 marketing and afterwards, if they 197 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:30,989 fail, we just convince the people they 198 00:07:30,990 --> 00:07:33,059 want to have it anyway. 199 00:07:33,060 --> 00:07:35,489 So I think it's better 200 00:07:35,490 --> 00:07:36,899 to do it the other way around. 201 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,099 So crowdfunding 202 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:44,649 started, we have a motherboard 203 00:07:44,650 --> 00:07:47,139 only was one thing than the desktop 204 00:07:47,140 --> 00:07:49,299 thingy, which you just, Kerrianne have to 205 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:50,469 plug in. 206 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:52,479 Then there was a laptop version where you 207 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,209 had a battery, 208 00:07:55,210 --> 00:07:57,279 a little daughter bought with tools, 209 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,280 all the 210 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:01,599 charging and recharging stuff of 211 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,909 the battery, taking billions of the 212 00:08:03,910 --> 00:08:05,499 gas goc and so on. 213 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,699 And I really like 214 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:08,889 to have one of those. 215 00:08:08,890 --> 00:08:11,289 But five thousand dollars was a bit 216 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:13,319 over my budget. 217 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,709 I actually saw one. 218 00:08:14,710 --> 00:08:15,729 Bunny has some. 219 00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:17,420 It's really beautiful things. 220 00:08:19,810 --> 00:08:22,419 So does anybody see the missing link? 221 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,379 Imagine you want to buy a notebook 222 00:08:27,380 --> 00:08:28,380 of your own. 223 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:30,619 You have the main board, 224 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:33,408 but you must have better management 225 00:08:33,409 --> 00:08:34,409 board. 226 00:08:36,309 --> 00:08:38,479 So you can't have it, and 227 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:39,969 that was kind of one of those guys and 228 00:08:39,970 --> 00:08:42,069 said, yeah, OK, I come 229 00:08:42,070 --> 00:08:43,959 back to this better remote, we hear about 230 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,159 it later on. 231 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,989 So meanwhile, I said, OK, then about the 232 00:08:46,990 --> 00:08:48,789 board, that's affordable and I have the 233 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:50,559 board and then I look, maybe it's open 234 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,590 hardware. Let's look how it works out. 235 00:08:53,650 --> 00:08:55,809 So that's really easy. 236 00:08:57,330 --> 00:08:58,330 You. 237 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,799 Contribute to the crowdfunding, the 238 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,989 crowdfunding and the things get 239 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:07,019 produced, packed and sent. 240 00:09:07,020 --> 00:09:09,089 That's very easy until you 241 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:11,100 stumble across these guys 242 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:15,969 at customs for those English speaking 243 00:09:15,970 --> 00:09:16,919 kids. 244 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,379 So it's kinda 245 00:09:19,380 --> 00:09:21,659 the multiple spent my 246 00:09:21,660 --> 00:09:24,239 multipart spend five 247 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,699 weeks in Frankfurt for reasons 248 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:29,489 I really can't understand. 249 00:09:29,490 --> 00:09:31,829 So I still think I might 250 00:09:31,830 --> 00:09:33,899 ask around in the form, how 251 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:36,029 can I figure out if nobody to 252 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:38,129 put weird stuff in it to spy on me. 253 00:09:38,130 --> 00:09:39,130 So I'm kinda 254 00:09:40,410 --> 00:09:42,329 not comfortable with that. 255 00:09:42,330 --> 00:09:44,039 And I said, yeah, that would be fun when 256 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,269 the Navina arrives and suddenly it said, 257 00:09:46,270 --> 00:09:47,999 oh, I caught them. 258 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,459 Yeah, I found it about 259 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:51,839 half a year ago. 260 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,659 I have no idea which way I paid it. 261 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:56,229 You never mind was it. 262 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:57,659 Oh that was crowdfunding or it was 263 00:09:57,660 --> 00:09:59,429 Kickstarter and you know there are a lot 264 00:09:59,430 --> 00:10:00,629 of spots on the platform. 265 00:10:00,630 --> 00:10:02,009 Try to climb that. 266 00:10:02,010 --> 00:10:03,989 Yeah. Yeah. Just send us a screen. 267 00:10:03,990 --> 00:10:06,059 Shots described Ultimate and worked on 268 00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:08,229 a K on the one hand. 269 00:10:08,230 --> 00:10:09,359 Five weeks on the other. 270 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,649 Yeah. Yeah, no problem. We know about 271 00:10:10,650 --> 00:10:12,869 crowdfunding. These guys are normally 272 00:10:12,870 --> 00:10:14,849 kind of behind. 273 00:10:14,850 --> 00:10:17,099 So crowdfunding they 274 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:18,059 don't know. 275 00:10:18,060 --> 00:10:19,619 So I was really proud of it. 276 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:22,139 So conclusion is they are completely 277 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:23,969 unpredictable. 278 00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:24,970 Um, 279 00:10:26,070 --> 00:10:28,229 my daughter has a 280 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:30,329 girlfriend and she came up with a 281 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:32,520 sentence that might best fit these guys, 282 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,369 kill them with kindness. 283 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,699 I confess I fail half 284 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:40,949 of the time, but they seem 285 00:10:40,950 --> 00:10:42,839 to have a training how to make people 286 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,539 really angry with you sentences. 287 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:48,029 And I tried to get so, you 288 00:10:48,030 --> 00:10:49,829 know, any time you get something across 289 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:51,629 borders, you need to figure out how it 290 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:52,979 works this time. 291 00:10:55,150 --> 00:10:57,289 Um, oh, another factor. 292 00:10:58,990 --> 00:11:01,089 So the idea is, is use the 293 00:11:01,090 --> 00:11:03,010 right platform, look 294 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:07,269 which one works for you, your project, 295 00:11:07,270 --> 00:11:09,489 um, communicate as 296 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:11,949 much as you can before in 297 00:11:11,950 --> 00:11:14,619 forums and on CCC events, 298 00:11:14,620 --> 00:11:16,989 whatever, so that you find out what 299 00:11:16,990 --> 00:11:18,519 people like and want to have 300 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,169 everywhere. 301 00:11:21,170 --> 00:11:23,239 Assets and a project came from 302 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,459 two directions. One, I didn't even expect 303 00:11:25,460 --> 00:11:27,229 that I would come back that way. 304 00:11:28,850 --> 00:11:31,609 Is the community really existed 305 00:11:31,610 --> 00:11:33,769 before? It's a lot more helpful. 306 00:11:33,770 --> 00:11:36,079 We come to that later 307 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,270 and sometimes it's essential. 308 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:42,819 It was too fast, never mind, so 309 00:11:42,820 --> 00:11:44,749 that was the crowd funding fund. 310 00:11:44,750 --> 00:11:46,840 This is kind of the beginner's part 311 00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:50,649 and the next part is kind 312 00:11:50,650 --> 00:11:52,119 of learn from others. 313 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,519 I guess some of the people 314 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,169 having a Pandora aren't waiting for 315 00:11:56,170 --> 00:11:58,119 waiting for the right in the audience. 316 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,089 Now, from some I actually know 317 00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:04,599 this is not something I really 318 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,789 did, but this is a nice project 319 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:08,979 to look and learn things, how 320 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:10,749 things fail, how you correct them. 321 00:12:10,750 --> 00:12:13,049 And we've gone through that right now. 322 00:12:14,660 --> 00:12:16,879 The storyline of this is 323 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,279 they started from gaming 324 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,439 related gaming handhelds, 325 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,599 and that wasn't a Nintendo 326 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,669 all the way. I really had no contact 327 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:27,349 in this area with anything. 328 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:29,599 And then there were 329 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,149 devices like the one on the right side. 330 00:12:32,150 --> 00:12:34,039 And then the hacking started because you 331 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,869 had a point where you can link in. 332 00:12:35,870 --> 00:12:37,709 These are smart media cards. 333 00:12:37,710 --> 00:12:39,889 Half of you wouldn't know about 334 00:12:39,890 --> 00:12:41,719 a scene without looking it up in 335 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,720 Wikipedia. 336 00:12:43,940 --> 00:12:46,199 It's now SD cards 337 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,200 and. 338 00:12:49,390 --> 00:12:52,059 And then there was a game 339 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:54,219 that had an embedded Linux kind 340 00:12:54,220 --> 00:12:55,220 of. 341 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:57,919 And it was an accident from 342 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,989 the producers, they just don't really 343 00:12:59,990 --> 00:13:02,059 know about it, and there 344 00:13:02,060 --> 00:13:04,579 was a lot of hiking with these devices, 345 00:13:04,580 --> 00:13:06,709 which I didn't know about before I found 346 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:08,269 the Pandora project. 347 00:13:08,270 --> 00:13:10,489 There were several derivates of it, 348 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:13,339 and there was a big community 349 00:13:14,390 --> 00:13:15,589 about that. 350 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:17,899 And the next day was about 351 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:20,209 open hardwares. 352 00:13:20,210 --> 00:13:22,309 Just think about 353 00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:24,619 how can we build something really big? 354 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:26,719 And that's what the what the guys of 355 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,399 the community from the handhelds did. 356 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,129 They simply said it was original, 357 00:13:31,130 --> 00:13:33,199 an April Fool's joke to say, 358 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,479 oh, what was a perfect 359 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:36,859 gaming console look like? 360 00:13:36,860 --> 00:13:38,329 And then they started, Oh, I want 361 00:13:38,330 --> 00:13:39,919 keyboard and I want that and that and 362 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:40,920 that. 363 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,789 And it just was added. 364 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:45,259 Yeah, well, why not? 365 00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:48,859 And so they sorted out what 366 00:13:48,860 --> 00:13:51,349 might be realistic, what is useful, 367 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:53,899 what's really doable. 368 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:56,059 And they actually found 3000 369 00:13:56,060 --> 00:13:59,089 people spending 300 euros 370 00:13:59,090 --> 00:14:01,869 completely aware that it would take. 371 00:14:01,870 --> 00:14:04,149 Several lot 372 00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:06,409 of months, maybe several years, 373 00:14:06,410 --> 00:14:08,559 I think in the end, much 374 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:09,969 longer than they expected, 375 00:14:11,610 --> 00:14:13,779 and that was the idea what 376 00:14:13,780 --> 00:14:15,459 it should look like. 377 00:14:15,460 --> 00:14:16,570 It's a kind of. 378 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,789 Be ahead and my friend. 379 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:22,889 I didn't found a better picture, 380 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:25,329 so it be that he was making 381 00:14:25,330 --> 00:14:27,809 a mini computer using Linux 382 00:14:27,810 --> 00:14:30,239 on its own, somehow 383 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,299 you I forgot I 384 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:33,509 have to look it up again. 385 00:14:33,510 --> 00:14:34,769 It's not war. 386 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:37,169 And the hardware finally was freed 387 00:14:37,170 --> 00:14:38,519 in 2015. 388 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,160 The project started in 2008. 389 00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:45,279 The hardware was freed. 390 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,249 So devices were produced earlier. 391 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:48,250 So 392 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:52,889 there was or that there was 393 00:14:54,660 --> 00:14:56,909 lots of beautiful things, like a little 394 00:14:56,910 --> 00:14:59,519 PDF that was a hardware hacking guide 395 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,619 where you can look over a console here 396 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:03,839 and put it to this GPI 397 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,759 or make funny stuff with it and something 398 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,089 like that, and had two full sized 399 00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:10,199 SD ports to USB port Wi-Fi, 400 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,959 Bluetooth touchscreen resistive, 401 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,299 which I like a lot more than 402 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:18,809 the other one 403 00:15:20,610 --> 00:15:22,949 because your screen stays 404 00:15:22,950 --> 00:15:24,190 clear clean. 405 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:27,779 It was so they started 406 00:15:27,780 --> 00:15:29,909 already with an existing community, so 407 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:32,249 it was a complete community 408 00:15:32,250 --> 00:15:33,250 project. 409 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,019 And as it added 410 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:39,809 to things missing on the other consoles, 411 00:15:39,810 --> 00:15:41,850 you had to have a full keyboard. 412 00:15:42,940 --> 00:15:45,399 To operate on so you can use it 413 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,799 for work as good as for gaming. 414 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Um, 415 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:52,960 so that was 416 00:15:54,460 --> 00:15:56,559 a kind of reminded me that 417 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,929 this slide is a work in progress. 418 00:15:58,930 --> 00:16:00,700 I guess it's now done 419 00:16:02,410 --> 00:16:04,079 so. 420 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,659 So there were several problems. 421 00:16:07,780 --> 00:16:09,849 The first one, crazy 422 00:16:09,850 --> 00:16:12,219 as it sounds, the first sort of 423 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:14,490 oh, how how expensive should it be? 424 00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:18,489 And then they try to reach a goal. 425 00:16:18,490 --> 00:16:20,309 That's a really bad idea. 426 00:16:21,790 --> 00:16:24,189 And then they kind of still 427 00:16:24,190 --> 00:16:26,319 have that completely figured out 428 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,509 in my head and they kind 429 00:16:28,510 --> 00:16:31,269 of split the responsibilities they had. 430 00:16:31,270 --> 00:16:33,399 Evil Dragon One who was very 431 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,799 active in the in the 432 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,869 two X forums, had an own 433 00:16:37,870 --> 00:16:39,489 shop for these consoles and something 434 00:16:39,490 --> 00:16:41,649 like that. And he was attached to take 435 00:16:41,650 --> 00:16:43,809 care of the community and they 436 00:16:43,810 --> 00:16:46,059 had another person in in Project 437 00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:47,060 Lead. 438 00:16:47,530 --> 00:16:49,449 So whenever something happens, he kind of 439 00:16:49,450 --> 00:16:52,209 was only the guy communicating 440 00:16:52,210 --> 00:16:53,210 to the community 441 00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:58,059 then. Very, very bad 442 00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:59,060 trick is. 443 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,179 If you have one guy designing the case. 444 00:17:03,450 --> 00:17:05,129 And the producer on a different 445 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:07,289 continent, I think in this case, 446 00:17:07,290 --> 00:17:09,868 as well as the designer, was an 447 00:17:09,869 --> 00:17:11,949 American and they tried to 448 00:17:11,950 --> 00:17:14,180 produce it at low cost in China. 449 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:16,319 These things. 450 00:17:18,730 --> 00:17:21,049 I think they only can fail because 451 00:17:21,050 --> 00:17:23,269 whenever you have a problem, the designer 452 00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:24,949 says, oh, yeah, yeah, the producer guy is 453 00:17:24,950 --> 00:17:26,959 doing it wrong. I said, Oh, no, no, no. 454 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,309 We know about producing. 455 00:17:28,310 --> 00:17:30,679 You did something wrong in the design 456 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:31,680 and then you have. 457 00:17:32,990 --> 00:17:35,059 Half of the time 458 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:37,429 lag in between, you have probably 459 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:39,559 one or three languages 460 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,149 in between. 461 00:17:41,150 --> 00:17:43,699 So if you have somebody 462 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:45,769 you personally know in 463 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:47,929 China, in the producing company, that 464 00:17:47,930 --> 00:17:49,159 might work. 465 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,869 But this setup didn't. 466 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:52,969 So the case cases kind of had a 467 00:17:52,970 --> 00:17:55,219 problem all the time. 468 00:17:55,220 --> 00:17:57,409 Then he dropped his old school 469 00:17:57,410 --> 00:17:59,749 job. I canceled my day job 470 00:17:59,750 --> 00:18:01,339 and tried to earn the money. 471 00:18:01,340 --> 00:18:03,740 Is that also a bad idea? 472 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:07,799 And because of that, because he kind of 473 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,999 was all this must work, 474 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,279 he kind of started to not tell 475 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,599 people about the problems. 476 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,109 He kind of was anxious that he 477 00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:20,640 he he loses trust from the community. 478 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:24,390 The thing is, quite the opposite happens. 479 00:18:27,130 --> 00:18:29,299 Yeah, and if that's not enough, 480 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:34,549 of course, if it started 481 00:18:34,550 --> 00:18:36,799 that way, it goes only 482 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,409 down from there and he even 483 00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:41,509 tried to hide that 484 00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:43,279 and said, oh yeah, we have problems in 485 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,679 delivery. If you pay about 486 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,139 not 240, but 440, 487 00:18:48,140 --> 00:18:50,299 you will be a privileged and get 488 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:52,099 one of the first devices. 489 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:55,219 And finally, 490 00:18:55,220 --> 00:18:57,799 that came to the total stop. 491 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,289 And to mention the Evil Dragon 492 00:19:00,290 --> 00:19:02,329 took over the project, too. 493 00:19:02,330 --> 00:19:05,149 And so now some of these things out. 494 00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:07,339 And first thing he did is, OK, what 495 00:19:07,340 --> 00:19:08,340 went? 496 00:19:10,580 --> 00:19:12,329 They want their frozen. 497 00:19:13,330 --> 00:19:16,089 Yeah, that yeah, 498 00:19:16,090 --> 00:19:17,090 that's what I meant. 499 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:20,559 Oh, sorry, um, the 500 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,239 fund was frozen. 501 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,499 Yeah, yeah. 502 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:25,779 So it was really as 503 00:19:25,780 --> 00:19:28,329 many as could go wrong, did go wrong. 504 00:19:28,330 --> 00:19:30,969 And so everyone started to say, OK, 505 00:19:30,970 --> 00:19:33,219 I was bound to this point and now 506 00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:35,019 I'm taking project and it's stuff that 507 00:19:35,020 --> 00:19:36,299 went wrong, that went wrong, that went 508 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:38,619 wrong. And I have several ideas how to 509 00:19:38,620 --> 00:19:40,299 to to get this done. 510 00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:42,909 First thing was he took the production 511 00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:45,189 to Germany, which is, of course, 512 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:47,679 more expensive to produce it here. 513 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,839 But he says it's about 20 514 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,149 minute bicycle ride to the facility 515 00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:53,929 where they produce the PCB board. 516 00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:56,169 So whenever a problem happens, is that 517 00:19:56,170 --> 00:19:57,170 on the instant? 518 00:19:58,060 --> 00:19:59,060 Um. 519 00:19:59,530 --> 00:20:02,649 And he communicates 520 00:20:02,650 --> 00:20:04,809 everything whenever there 521 00:20:04,810 --> 00:20:07,179 is something I have some kind 522 00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:09,429 of idea and he can't 523 00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:11,950 be sleeping anyway, um, 524 00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:15,880 and whenever he comes to a problem. 525 00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:19,419 Five minutes later, it's a post 526 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:20,839 in the forum. 527 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,819 And that builds trust because they say, 528 00:20:22,820 --> 00:20:24,559 OK, of course, there are problems, but 529 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,389 what if we know about it? 530 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:27,689 We might even help. 531 00:20:27,690 --> 00:20:29,779 And that happens a lot, nearly 532 00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:31,279 the whole software. 533 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,799 And for the new project, 534 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,719 there wouldn't have been a keyboard if 535 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,549 not a hint from the forum members. 536 00:20:40,170 --> 00:20:42,389 He took investors to get 537 00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:45,119 rid of the of the pressure 538 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:46,120 to to. 539 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,299 To have so he got more time, 540 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:52,669 basically, we said, OK, we have to 541 00:20:52,670 --> 00:20:54,740 rely on him and he. 542 00:20:56,780 --> 00:20:59,599 Even so, so now the guy said 543 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,489 kind of hanging in there by the others 544 00:21:01,490 --> 00:21:03,649 because they had two selling points, 545 00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:05,629 his kind of word and the other font 546 00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:07,999 front. So I think 547 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,189 in 2000, 548 00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:12,379 10 prodrug 549 00:21:12,380 --> 00:21:14,729 or 2011, finally 550 00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:16,189 the first time ISIS came out. 551 00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:18,289 So two or three, three 552 00:21:18,290 --> 00:21:21,019 years after the first starting point. 553 00:21:21,020 --> 00:21:24,229 And there are still guys 554 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:26,419 hanging in there because they 555 00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:28,549 still didn't get the devices 556 00:21:28,550 --> 00:21:31,309 I gave money for in 2008. 557 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:32,749 And you would recognize 558 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,990 kind of a person who even. 559 00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:40,029 Hold them, they say, OK, if you're doing 560 00:21:40,030 --> 00:21:41,990 it, we are patient and wait even longer. 561 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,140 So community is a center 562 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,129 even better when it exists at 563 00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:53,979 one point, for example, is this 564 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:56,049 it's kind of something the developers 565 00:21:56,050 --> 00:21:58,329 will most likely understand past. 566 00:21:58,330 --> 00:22:00,459 That's open source driver 567 00:22:00,460 --> 00:22:02,979 for one of the glass chips 568 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:05,079 that was originally invented for 569 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,539 the Pandora and was then taken over 570 00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:08,540 in the. 571 00:22:09,690 --> 00:22:10,690 Debbie in. 572 00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:14,429 Three, I, if I remember correctly, 573 00:22:14,430 --> 00:22:17,129 am not that deep into it, 574 00:22:17,130 --> 00:22:18,130 um. 575 00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:23,819 Direct consumer input is good, things 576 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:25,650 can go wrong anyway, as I showed. 577 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:29,399 Of course, it was developed partially 578 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,469 by the future consumer, so 579 00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:33,719 you have no 580 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,949 steps in between. 581 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:36,680 These is development 582 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,119 and what they did. 583 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,109 They made it very easy to contribute. 584 00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:43,439 They made a known kind of package 585 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,379 to impose upon. 586 00:22:44,380 --> 00:22:46,799 So it was very easy to convert all retro 587 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,709 gaming or retro games 588 00:22:49,710 --> 00:22:52,769 and had a system where 589 00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:54,819 everybody just could copy it on the list. 590 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:56,729 You can't collect it in independent could 591 00:22:56,730 --> 00:22:57,730 play. 592 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,539 And the last step just. 593 00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:05,479 It was on Christmas emerged 594 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,089 all the forums, the GP 595 00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:10,369 to access and Pandora and a new paper 596 00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:12,679 so that they are all in one place, so 597 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,599 that you have to follow the history at 598 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,280 one place to look at 599 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:21,589 the software development 600 00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:22,999 is done. 601 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,609 I say 90 percent of the community. 602 00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:31,559 You know, a few shots 603 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,629 of what there is, 604 00:23:33,630 --> 00:23:35,999 that's just the most 605 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,639 downloaded apps that are there, just 606 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,249 just to hint you, what happens? 607 00:23:41,250 --> 00:23:43,709 There are a few screenshots of nearly 608 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:46,349 a thousand games development, 60 609 00:23:46,350 --> 00:23:48,929 of these utilities, 610 00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:51,029 all you want to play around with the open 611 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,009 hardware and Linux device you can 612 00:23:53,010 --> 00:23:54,010 imagine. 613 00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:57,469 So when you come 614 00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:59,359 to a point where it's kind of 615 00:24:00,380 --> 00:24:02,749 difficult to produce things because 616 00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:05,179 certain chipsets aren't produced 617 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:07,339 anymore, and at that 618 00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:09,799 point he said, yeah, well, 619 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,239 we can't produce them anymore. 620 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,149 We have about 200 621 00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:15,509 left we can produce. 622 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,309 How will that success look like? 623 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,569 And they started discussions that will 624 00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:27,459 keep the good things and fix the bad 625 00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:29,919 ones, you have to endure a lot 626 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,269 of communications. 627 00:24:31,270 --> 00:24:33,669 There are about 30 628 00:24:33,670 --> 00:24:35,440 threats about the keyboard layout. 629 00:24:38,140 --> 00:24:40,059 The problem with that is you can only 630 00:24:40,060 --> 00:24:42,159 afford one keyboard layout 631 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,619 and this small amount of devices 632 00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:46,509 and then you have the problem. 633 00:24:46,510 --> 00:24:48,669 You have German, English, 634 00:24:48,670 --> 00:24:50,769 French guys all contributing a lot. 635 00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:52,629 So you should listen to them to lose 636 00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:54,909 them. I kinda lose 637 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:57,069 interest and said there will be a mapping 638 00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:59,199 somehow and then I'm forced 639 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,419 to learn typing blind, which 640 00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:03,669 I want to do for about 20 years now 641 00:25:03,670 --> 00:25:05,859 and didn't manage 642 00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:06,759 to survive. 643 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,279 Maybe the device is forcing me to 644 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,280 um. 645 00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:13,639 They then said, 646 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,909 well the next problem was a case 647 00:25:15,910 --> 00:25:18,129 design and he simply sent a letter 648 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:19,319 designed by a company. 649 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,979 So it's kind of hard to blame someone 650 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:24,519 else. Oh, the company did. 651 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,939 Yes. It's the one you work for. 652 00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:27,789 The machines are right to your next door. 653 00:25:27,790 --> 00:25:29,170 You should get it done. 654 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:31,599 And it works perfectly. 655 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,309 And it's now in Greece. 656 00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:35,589 And he said that's fine, because if 657 00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:37,539 there's a problem, if I have to go, there 658 00:25:37,540 --> 00:25:39,189 can simply fly there by plane. 659 00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:40,499 That's from Germany to Greece. 660 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:42,579 That can more easily than to go to 661 00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:44,649 China and they speak English and 662 00:25:44,650 --> 00:25:46,899 German. So the communication 663 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,129 is a lot better that. 664 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:51,199 Um, the PCB 665 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,689 design was done by Nicholas Shalal, 666 00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:55,519 lots of you will know he's the one who 667 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,799 made the last upgrade of the 668 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,229 mobile phone and his own company 669 00:26:00,230 --> 00:26:02,389 developing better Linux 670 00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:03,109 devices. 671 00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:05,209 And so they took him in to 672 00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:07,399 make the PCB design for the new 673 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,599 one. 674 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,699 Um, they even let 675 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:12,859 live kind of near and 676 00:26:12,860 --> 00:26:15,319 Nicolas's living near to the producing 677 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,599 company of the PCB board, see if there's 678 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,619 any problem. 679 00:26:18,620 --> 00:26:20,869 And he just goes 680 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:21,870 over there and fixes. 681 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:26,029 And from what he learned before, 682 00:26:26,030 --> 00:26:28,449 he said, well, was my other job 683 00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:30,639 and the selling of the demise of the 684 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,919 gaming devices and so on, I think 685 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,009 I have enough money to finance 686 00:26:36,010 --> 00:26:38,469 the until the prototypes. 687 00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:39,880 So he said I will never. 688 00:26:41,230 --> 00:26:42,729 I will take money from you. 689 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:47,119 When I was working prototypes, not 690 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,449 before that idea, 691 00:26:49,450 --> 00:26:52,099 five working prototypes, I can calculate 692 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:54,289 what prizes it might be 693 00:26:54,290 --> 00:26:56,869 in the end and have a 694 00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:58,310 wooden fail on that point. 695 00:26:59,510 --> 00:27:01,609 Um, the next step 696 00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:03,679 is the hardware is now upgradable. 697 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,869 You have a mainboard and you have a 698 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:08,239 doubt about where the SLC sits 699 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,919 on and the memory. 700 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,749 So the machine will be upgradable. 701 00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:14,149 It might even be able to change platform. 702 00:27:14,150 --> 00:27:16,279 So you can simply buy a hardware 703 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,589 switch, go from from um 704 00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:20,179 to me or something like that. 705 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:22,429 But that's future talk first if you 706 00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:25,039 have an extra 707 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,469 one and they have a as 708 00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:29,899 a third PCMCIA for the display. 709 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,599 So if the display has a problem, 710 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,819 um, you can, 711 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,939 you don't have to change something on 712 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:37,999 the remote. 713 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,849 You have the same communication channel 714 00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:43,669 and always will be Damián 715 00:27:43,670 --> 00:27:45,849 instead of Angstrom because there's, 716 00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:47,989 um, the, the NAND 717 00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:50,509 storage was kinda too small 718 00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:52,999 and it's now EMC 719 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,000 Chip 720 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:57,399 and uh, I 721 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,129 have to hurry a bit right now. 722 00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:01,249 I see. So the main things, at 723 00:28:01,250 --> 00:28:03,619 least from my view, it's, uh, 724 00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:06,499 five, six, five, four, three, two. 725 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,629 Um, the interesting part is 726 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:10,849 there will be, um, 727 00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:12,919 3G, 4G, LTE chip 728 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,269 on it. 729 00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:16,759 But now we are having open hardware 730 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,919 and this trip is closed. 731 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,379 Lots of discussions again. 732 00:28:21,380 --> 00:28:23,869 And the solution is 733 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:26,089 this chip is switched off 734 00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:28,189 by completely cutting 735 00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:29,959 the power on a grouping of the main 736 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,099 processor. 737 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,739 So it is off because it has no power. 738 00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:35,659 I don't know of any other device having 739 00:28:35,660 --> 00:28:38,089 that. And if are more paranoid, 740 00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:39,109 you can get it without. 741 00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:44,709 First mentioned eight 742 00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:46,149 gigabyte E.M.S. 743 00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:48,429 cheaper and now the 744 00:28:48,430 --> 00:28:49,989 operating system will run. 745 00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:54,109 Sounds nice. 746 00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:56,199 That says nothing to me might be 747 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,299 to you. But the interesting part is 748 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,339 you have a volume real. 749 00:29:00,340 --> 00:29:02,769 It's a resistor, a changeable 750 00:29:02,770 --> 00:29:03,779 and you have hardware. 751 00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:04,679 We can turn power. 752 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,680 I love that 753 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,619 the keyboard will get better. 754 00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:10,629 It had three rows. 755 00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:13,119 Now it will be backlit and 756 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,349 four letter buttons. 757 00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:16,479 We can we will see that very 758 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,480 soon. 759 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,919 Six thousand million lithium 760 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,399 polymer and it's good for 10 hours gaming 761 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,089 as it's not now. 762 00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:28,749 Guess that's what the backside 763 00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:30,309 will look like. And there you see the 764 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:31,399 three lateral Belton's. 765 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,949 That means if you're typing on the 766 00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:35,589 keyboard, you have all your modifiers key 767 00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:37,659 on your fingertips too. 768 00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:39,939 So you can do the modifier text with 769 00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:41,739 two of your fingers and a keyboard with 770 00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:44,409 some. That's very cool. 771 00:29:44,410 --> 00:29:45,429 It will have an E. 772 00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:47,379 Its output was an adapter to one of the 773 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:49,629 USB port. That's for space reasons 774 00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:51,819 additional to the operating system 775 00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:53,949 card. You have again two full 776 00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:56,079 sized SD card slots 777 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,059 and it's all designed to be on the back. 778 00:29:58,060 --> 00:30:00,289 What you can load on, plug it in 779 00:30:00,290 --> 00:30:02,409 an incredible and use 780 00:30:02,410 --> 00:30:05,109 it as a full desktop keyboard and monitor 781 00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:07,869 because that HDMI to, 782 00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:10,989 um, that's 783 00:30:10,990 --> 00:30:11,889 a step in between. 784 00:30:11,890 --> 00:30:13,689 On the right you see the old Pandora, on 785 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:15,549 the left you see the power. 786 00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:18,729 It has now a bigger screen with the 787 00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:21,009 configuration you see over there. 788 00:30:21,010 --> 00:30:23,469 There's something about 789 00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:25,839 these screens are produced for 790 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,969 four smart phones and 791 00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:30,219 something, and they have to be portrayed 792 00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:32,469 as something with technique to make 793 00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:33,459 them landscape. 794 00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:34,869 I don't understand. 795 00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:37,089 So if anybody knows about the screen 796 00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:39,189 with a landscape, might be is 797 00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:41,559 over here somewhere and he's and 798 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,479 then next time and finds a display for 799 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,409 us. 800 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:45,410 Um. 801 00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:50,149 And there we have it, that's a life 802 00:30:50,150 --> 00:30:52,399 view of the production, I'd say 803 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,409 that's a few weeks ago. 804 00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:56,659 The PCBs on the left are directly 805 00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:58,779 the first one ever sold. 806 00:30:58,780 --> 00:31:01,609 And the alternative is simply this. 807 00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:03,709 The second photo is the one with from 808 00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:05,809 the top to bottom is the CPU. 809 00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:07,219 And the first one, yeah, they come out 810 00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:09,109 here and they failed 811 00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:13,039 then. And he said how they corrected. 812 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,549 The other one is a backlit keyboard. 813 00:31:14,550 --> 00:31:15,709 They tested online. 814 00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:17,959 And these are pictures of milling 815 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,339 the molds for the pyro 816 00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:22,429 or nearly online. 817 00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:24,379 He was then posted directly from the 818 00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:25,609 facility. 819 00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:26,610 Great. 820 00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:29,500 There was this story, 821 00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:33,169 it took about three posts, after all, 822 00:31:33,170 --> 00:31:35,239 should be the success of the first one 823 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,969 came up and shut up and take my money. 824 00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:39,499 And that started from day one. 825 00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:43,099 And every time you said, oh, shut 826 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:45,109 up and take my money, I said, no. 827 00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:46,779 I said no preorders 828 00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:49,279 and no fixed released. 829 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,069 Every release went from like Debian. 830 00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:54,139 And quite a 831 00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:56,419 while ago. Is it OK for you guys 832 00:31:56,420 --> 00:31:58,699 always crying around, shut up and take 833 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,469 my money and give you three 200 834 00:32:00,470 --> 00:32:03,169 preorders? No, it was exactly 835 00:32:03,170 --> 00:32:04,429 signed. 836 00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:05,749 And eight of the prototypes the 837 00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:07,849 developers developers don't need, they 838 00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:10,339 will be 1400 euros, 839 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:12,199 the preorders, 290. 840 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,239 And the difference is when you get it. 841 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,489 And he said he thought he might sell 842 00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:18,709 forty or fifty 843 00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:20,269 three days and everything was gone. 844 00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:23,719 That's what Trusters. 845 00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:27,889 So because I know how you 846 00:32:27,890 --> 00:32:30,049 remember the missing link, so I thought, 847 00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:31,729 yeah, they did something, I think I 848 00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:33,469 learned something. I did crowdfunding, 849 00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:34,470 so. 850 00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:38,329 First things for Barney to making 851 00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:40,219 the floor was a better report, and that 852 00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:42,379 makes me encouragement and said, 853 00:32:42,380 --> 00:32:43,400 well, it's open hardware 854 00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:46,369 supply, so. 855 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:47,899 I just need to find the info, the 856 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:49,249 producers and so on. 857 00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:50,250 Easy. 858 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:54,599 And first 859 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,419 thing is, it might be polite to ask, 860 00:32:57,420 --> 00:32:59,219 are you planning to produce them 861 00:32:59,220 --> 00:33:00,419 otherwise? I produce them. 862 00:33:00,420 --> 00:33:02,159 Maybe they might be pissed. 863 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,589 And so I ask him and he said, yeah, 864 00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:05,909 go on. Nice, cool. 865 00:33:05,910 --> 00:33:07,889 That's what openheartedness about. 866 00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:10,199 So I get that inforce and 867 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,869 first I ask for the beer PCB 868 00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:15,089 to say, oh, we populated ourselves 869 00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:16,889 by hand or something like that. 870 00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:19,409 Um, I have a very cool shortcut here. 871 00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:22,019 My wife is working at the company doing 872 00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:23,249 this. 873 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:25,349 So the other 874 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:27,119 day you're working there for 25 years. 875 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,189 Did you ever get some did you ever 876 00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:31,319 take your fortune of that and go to 877 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,969 your show and ask, what is that? 878 00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:34,859 We got that very cheap. 879 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:37,139 And she's actually at the point where you 880 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:39,659 collect the data and check 881 00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:41,969 if they are producible, if there are any 882 00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:43,079 errors. 883 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,599 Oh, that was 884 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,919 not an error. 885 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,779 There was a slight thing to improve. 886 00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:49,769 I forgot what it was. 887 00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:51,479 I have to ask and maybe pass it on to 888 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,559 one. 889 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,009 Um, then you ask. 890 00:33:55,010 --> 00:33:57,149 I said I, I ask it, um, there's 891 00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:59,639 something of you have a standard 892 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,919 measurement, you put through the machines 893 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,509 and you normally say, oh, you have the 894 00:34:03,510 --> 00:34:04,949 standard measurement, how many boards 895 00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:07,289 within it, then you have a price 896 00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:08,698 for a whole lot to produce. 897 00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:10,609 And I simply ask in the community, you 898 00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:11,669 would say interest for that. 899 00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:14,459 And there was enough interest. 900 00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:15,809 And I said, so it's easy. 901 00:34:15,810 --> 00:34:17,659 Make it, get it, send it down. 902 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,599 Yeah, produce it. 903 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,479 This is a picture of the nice board, 904 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,549 but then we might 905 00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:27,738 be wise to buy these parts 906 00:34:27,739 --> 00:34:29,809 and a lot, isn't it, because it's cheaper 907 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:31,369 than a. 908 00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:33,530 Yeah, OK, let's look at it. 909 00:34:34,610 --> 00:34:36,859 So it's OK to produce BCB, 910 00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:38,609 you auto parts and not put them together 911 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:40,729 on. So then we're 912 00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:41,730 done, right. 913 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:45,899 You have a lot of expensive 914 00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,089 parts and so very small. 915 00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:50,279 What about to ask, how much is 916 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,280 it to populate to? 917 00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:55,859 OK, you guys are in for your surprises, 918 00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:57,389 your order together, and then you're 919 00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:59,049 done, right? 920 00:34:59,050 --> 00:35:01,169 Um, yes, 921 00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:02,170 nearly. 922 00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:05,609 Um, because if you do something 923 00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:07,889 like that, if you populate the boat, 924 00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:10,649 you do it like it's on the left side. 925 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,989 This small piece as stolen 926 00:35:12,990 --> 00:35:15,389 from the control room and 927 00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:17,639 you see something that looks 928 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,789 like it's broken off after producing 929 00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:23,429 and that is how they adjust 930 00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:24,599 the bolts. 931 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,879 There are the signs and the boards 932 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,889 here and then the machine can know where 933 00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:31,499 the actual component 934 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:32,999 is to be placed. 935 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,470 But that was already missing. 936 00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:38,580 Up came 937 00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:41,739 some of the companies said, no problem, 938 00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,389 we can do it anyway, it's a bit more 939 00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:45,189 complicated with every of this 940 00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:47,049 information you communicate to the 941 00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:48,729 producer and you go back to the community 942 00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:50,229 will help. And that and that. 943 00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:52,189 And it might be a bit more expensive. 944 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:53,619 Yeah, go on. 945 00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:55,809 Um, so then 946 00:35:55,810 --> 00:35:57,909 you go and you send them the bond 947 00:35:57,910 --> 00:36:00,759 bill material, um, 948 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,979 and the next thing you get 949 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:03,980 from that. 950 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,099 Is easy described 951 00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:08,270 by two words. 952 00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:15,179 That's annoying. 953 00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,549 OK, you go through it, Aspen, yeah, 954 00:36:21,550 --> 00:36:23,619 everything's in metric, and the 955 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:25,989 interesting part I found to compare 956 00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:28,419 is a.. So the first point 957 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:31,329 people normally stumble upon is this one 958 00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:33,579 said, oh, might that be 959 00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:35,799 a typo? Because the very small 960 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,899 one is saying we can't. 961 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:37,959 No, no, no. It's metric. 962 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,960 It's OK. 963 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,379 Not that we have the problem. 964 00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:42,820 Not in another point 965 00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:45,190 or another. 966 00:36:46,690 --> 00:36:48,909 So, uh, yeah, you go 967 00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:50,380 through it again 968 00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:52,389 and that's it. 969 00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:54,669 Out to metric. 970 00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:56,739 Oh, for or to oh, no, 971 00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:58,090 sorry, then we can't do it, 972 00:36:59,140 --> 00:37:01,989 and it was back to the and said, oh no, 973 00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:03,079 we had everything together. 974 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,439 Now they say they mixed up then Parian 975 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,229 to metrics so they can't do it. 976 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:10,539 Um, so 977 00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:12,279 we won't get it. 978 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,779 And the interesting part is, if you 979 00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:15,399 communicated what I learned from the 980 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,469 Pandora guys was no 981 00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:19,629 problem, then it's purposive and we 982 00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:20,839 populaton themselves. 983 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,260 And that was kind of something I said. 984 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,139 And it's so cool and so refreshing. 985 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:28,769 OK, I go on 986 00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:30,599 and ask and search for the next 987 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,600 popularities. 988 00:37:33,810 --> 00:37:35,699 For slightly higher prices and yeah, we 989 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:38,039 can do it, we have, um, we 990 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,229 need to use other points 991 00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:42,299 to fix the board and then use 992 00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,189 your testing spots on the board and 993 00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:45,750 things like on so they can do it. 994 00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:49,310 And then you're the same procedure. 995 00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:52,759 Yes, then you are done and 996 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,159 one day these things actually 997 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,259 arrive populated at my home with the 998 00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:58,420 two pictures from them 999 00:37:59,570 --> 00:38:01,819 and I 1000 00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:04,309 did it very close 1001 00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:06,110 before the 31 C suite. 1002 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,379 Um, I went to Bunging, and 1003 00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:11,099 that's one of the interesting points. 1004 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:13,609 And so I imagine 1005 00:38:13,610 --> 00:38:14,899 I want a London phone. 1006 00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:17,059 I found the schematics and said, 1007 00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:18,839 oh, I want to build a massive area, go 1008 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,469 on. And when I have done it, I go to the 1009 00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:22,789 chief developer. 1010 00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:24,339 OK, and inflation is a firmware. 1011 00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:26,629 Yeah, well, of course that's kind 1012 00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:27,979 of what's happened here. 1013 00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:30,139 I like this one. Much better 1014 00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:32,559 expect the other won't happen. 1015 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,539 Um, so 1016 00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:37,819 sending it then it's a bit tedious work. 1017 00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:40,309 You have to pick 30 parts. 1018 00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:43,219 Look just a bit 1019 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:45,049 of customs but it's easy. 1020 00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:47,119 You finally have to find a number to kill 1021 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,289 them with kindness. 1022 00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:49,999 But I said, oh, if something like this 1023 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,319 is, can you give me some number? 1024 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,209 I have to write on the on the customs 1025 00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:55,279 declaration. It said, yeah, no problem. 1026 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,280 That was kind of. 1027 00:38:57,830 --> 00:38:59,959 But then I looked 1028 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,129 at my bank account. 1029 00:39:02,370 --> 00:39:03,370 And 1030 00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:07,649 it's German there at 1031 00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:10,139 AVMA, the Bundesbank, 1032 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,949 there's something of Beeville, the 1033 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:16,559 obligation of the 1034 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,759 AWB, it's, um, 1035 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,659 I it's something foreign 1036 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,609 TransFair, some fencing. 1037 00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:25,889 What the fuck with this? 1038 00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:27,689 HotLink one, two, three, four. 1039 00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:28,690 One, one, one. 1040 00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:38,300 My spin triggered by that 1041 00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:41,959 and by the way, when I go 1042 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,149 to the bank teller class, whatever 1043 00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:45,949 they want to say, I have something weird 1044 00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:48,019 here on my side. 1045 00:39:48,020 --> 00:39:49,259 Can you explain it to me? 1046 00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:51,169 Yeah, well, that's what's a guy who's 1047 00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:53,449 sending the money inside, so I don't 1048 00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:54,829 think so. He's Belgian. 1049 00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:56,599 I don't think he's telling me something 1050 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,429 of the German Federal Bank. 1051 00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:59,329 Oh, yeah. 1052 00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:00,920 Oh, wait. I ask a colleague 1053 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,669 I have some weird stuff here saying, 1054 00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:05,719 yeah, yeah. That's the stuff. 1055 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,999 The guy who's sending the money. 1056 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,109 No, he's Belgian. 1057 00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:10,969 I don't think he's writing me something 1058 00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:13,249 in German, but. Oh well let's 1059 00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:14,479 ask a colleague and. 1060 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:18,979 But the third one was one. 1061 00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:20,869 Yeah. We are writing that down is the 1062 00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:22,999 obligation you have to if 1063 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,339 you get a certain amount of money 1064 00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:27,589 from from foreign countries, you have 1065 00:40:27,590 --> 00:40:28,709 to report it. 1066 00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:30,419 I think it's something about washing 1067 00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:32,539 Dreux going to make money or 1068 00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:33,709 something. 1069 00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:35,090 Yeah, most likely 1070 00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:40,939 nine euros. 1071 00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:43,279 And that was a guy who was playing PCB. 1072 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,959 There was one who wanted to ban PCB 1073 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,119 anyway because he bought the components 1074 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,120 already. 1075 00:40:49,070 --> 00:40:51,289 So it would have been 1076 00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:53,539 very easy to find that information. 1077 00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:55,789 I think the bank guys took 1078 00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:58,939 about 10 minutes Googling to find it 1079 00:40:58,940 --> 00:41:01,669 easy. You go to Bundesbank 1080 00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:04,879 Federal Bank, there's a point service, 1081 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,249 there's a reporting system, 1082 00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:09,469 Mérida visa that even. 1083 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,809 Not in light word for four 1084 00:41:13,810 --> 00:41:16,159 Germans, then there's external 1085 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,160 data, 1086 00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:21,399 then you have eviction notices 1087 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,229 and then you have cross-border payment 1088 00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:25,479 reports and there you find 1089 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,579 who's subject to reporting requirements 1090 00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:30,399 and what information has to be provided. 1091 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,400 Uh, yeah. 1092 00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:34,839 And then there it is. 1093 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,639 If you have a mound of twelve thousand 1094 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,309 for 500 euros, 1095 00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:41,379 then you have to report that you 1096 00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:43,659 get the money. And what for your nice 1097 00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:46,389 it's only 1388 transfers 1098 00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:47,390 of nine euro. 1099 00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:50,829 Yeah. Okay, to be fair it's only eighty 1100 00:41:50,830 --> 00:41:53,469 eighty for the better prices. 1101 00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:55,719 But that's kinda and 1102 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:57,449 was um 1103 00:41:58,450 --> 00:42:00,279 so cool. 1104 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,280 We are finally done 1105 00:42:02,410 --> 00:42:04,509 uh until 1106 00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:06,279 you find a guy in the phone said well I 1107 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,379 got your battery bought but 1108 00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:11,050 it kinda has a problem. 1109 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,459 OK, I transferred with 1110 00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:17,899 him, SOPs was 1111 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,319 was looking into 1112 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,499 it, reading, reading 1113 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,749 logs and things, and it was kind of a 1114 00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:26,839 new idea. 1115 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,749 So next nice point. 1116 00:42:28,750 --> 00:42:30,939 I planned the meeting with 1117 00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:32,859 Barney again, who designed the plan to 1118 00:42:32,860 --> 00:42:35,109 say, well, we have this real problem. 1119 00:42:35,110 --> 00:42:37,359 Would you mind if we look 1120 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,729 it up? If I get some tools over there 1121 00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:41,979 and this guy in the nearby hackerspace, 1122 00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:44,589 Jokhang, he's he's kind of the quiet 1123 00:42:44,590 --> 00:42:46,719 guy. But if you ask him, I 1124 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,789 know you have some experience with a 1125 00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:51,009 microscope and a soldering iron 1126 00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:52,779 was a fine tip. Yeah. 1127 00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:55,299 And he comes with about this aluminum 1128 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:56,349 box of tools. 1129 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,189 Then there was another guy who bought a 1130 00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:02,229 new Nubeena who was bringing his Nubeena 1131 00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:04,299 and and better and his 1132 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:05,300 battery. 1133 00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:11,159 And we fixed that 1134 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,379 yesterday was a lot of fun 1135 00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:15,179 to do, and it was important that 1136 00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:17,369 everybody involved was there, maybe 1137 00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:19,669 I was most spirited pop 1138 00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:21,869 out, Bunny 1139 00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:24,299 was looking at schematics it 1140 00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:26,469 provided we can bridge it to see 1141 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:28,110 a report to find it and. 1142 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:32,100 We find the are. 1143 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:35,789 It was a resistor, 1144 00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:38,909 if I remember correctly, measuring 1145 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,839 the voltage, and 1146 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,320 it was labeled wrong. 1147 00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:47,249 It came from the rail and was one of 1148 00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:48,250 magnitude of. 1149 00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:52,839 We all did it and had it fixed, 1150 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,729 do that with a broken Samsung phone with 1151 00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:57,099 the head of development over there. 1152 00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:58,119 So now we are done. 1153 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,519 Yeah, until 1154 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,699 somebody asks, oh, there's still boatlift 1155 00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:05,799 and no, but if there's 1156 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,929 interest and it was 1157 00:44:07,930 --> 00:44:10,149 a week ago, there were 15 guys 1158 00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:12,189 going up against what I might do the next 1159 00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:13,190 one to. 1160 00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:20,039 It means probably it's never done, 1161 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,040 but it's far. 1162 00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:25,309 So what you get back, the 1163 00:44:25,310 --> 00:44:27,799 people think you even if you say, oh, 1164 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,149 they can't produce this, we are never 1165 00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:30,749 mind, thank you for your work and give us 1166 00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:33,279 a piece of interesting payment 1167 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,749 and said it's 160 for the board. 1168 00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:37,939 And I suddenly had something to set 1169 00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:38,959 a world at. 1170 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,239 Yeah. If something went wrong so that 1171 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:43,070 you are not spending your money on it 1172 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,019 and something like that, that's well. 1173 00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:49,069 Things that you produce. 1174 00:44:49,070 --> 00:44:50,070 What I designed. 1175 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:52,309 I love it. 1176 00:44:52,310 --> 00:44:53,389 You have a lot of fun. 1177 00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:55,339 You get unique devices as you see this. 1178 00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:56,619 Pandor runs in Vienna. 1179 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,099 Um, so some conclusions. 1180 00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,559 Mine personalities communicate, 1181 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,659 have patience and this comes in the 1182 00:45:05,660 --> 00:45:07,459 end. Something good will come out, talk a 1183 00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:09,589 lot, start as a hobby, of course, to 1184 00:45:09,590 --> 00:45:11,749 not be in the kind of forced 1185 00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:13,879 situation, start 1186 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,759 copying someone like I did the board. 1187 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,009 Um, but calculate 1188 00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:21,379 spell the working battery 1189 00:45:21,380 --> 00:45:22,339 rebought was mine. 1190 00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:24,049 I finally gave it to the other guy with a 1191 00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:26,329 broken one and now I have one back 1192 00:45:26,330 --> 00:45:26,659 again. 1193 00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:27,660 It's a fixed one 1194 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,189 release one ready and never had 1195 00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:33,409 problems worked 1196 00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:35,959 out for me. And so I 1197 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,529 had to think a bit philosophical. 1198 00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:40,839 I suppose it was all it I, 1199 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,050 I think so. It was fun. 1200 00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:46,129 So what to do for me, I think doing 1201 00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:48,289 this old stuff and that might even 1202 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:50,449 stop me was not a lot of 1203 00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:52,639 knowledge to start one project, little 1204 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,839 one start little ones. 1205 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,359 I'm planning to do a little 1206 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,669 import that can put 1207 00:45:58,670 --> 00:46:00,889 the old syncopate keyboards 1208 00:46:00,890 --> 00:46:03,049 to convert that. You can plug it in 1209 00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:05,139 on USB and not use it at a 1210 00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:06,469 movie or something like that. 1211 00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:08,859 So was it hacking? 1212 00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:11,189 Well, I didn't design 1213 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:12,289 the board. 1214 00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:14,449 I didn't write a single line of 1215 00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:16,729 code. I know people who say that wasn't 1216 00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:17,730 hacking. 1217 00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:21,529 Um, yeah, well, I kind of 1218 00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:23,839 sometimes think, 1219 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,939 um, it's like a carpenter 1220 00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:28,009 saying your plan, then you're not 1221 00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:29,749 a craftsman because you're using other 1222 00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:31,939 tools. I think for 1223 00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:34,189 my point of view is to bribe 1224 00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:36,319 them. If I teach, 1225 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,839 for example, if I teach somebody a craft, 1226 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,549 whatever, goldsmith smithing, 1227 00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:42,739 blacksmithing, whatever, I open 1228 00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:44,029 the gated community. 1229 00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:46,219 These were the communities. 1230 00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:48,319 When you finished your education, 1231 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,549 you were forced to swear to tell nobody, 1232 00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:51,550 not you. 1233 00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,229 So I opened that a 1234 00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:56,749 bit. I guess, uh, 1235 00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:59,479 I see hacking as a state of mind. 1236 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,529 Change something. 1237 00:47:00,530 --> 00:47:02,449 Do something yourself. 1238 00:47:02,450 --> 00:47:04,579 So finally I come to the 1239 00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:05,719 sense to let it out. 1240 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,669 Of course, my children, they teach me 1241 00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:09,799 some lectures of interest, which 1242 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,899 I didn't know who 1243 00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:14,119 didn't do it. Read the text 1244 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,189 my daughter wrote about, about and 1245 00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:17,629 couldn't have come near to it. 1246 00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:19,339 And not five percent. 1247 00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:22,129 And the multiples developers, of course, 1248 00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:24,379 or the Pandora guys mentioned some 1249 00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:26,929 of the phone notes, of course, and 1250 00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:29,479 just read it through because we had time 1251 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,549 kind of on a tight 1252 00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:33,439 schedule here and. 1253 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,879 Oh, that was one. 1254 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:35,880 Yep. 1255 00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:38,959 Ten minutes. So we have I 1256 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,070 tried to get. 1257 00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:45,119 Yes, so things slide back, 1258 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,389 so we have that in the background. 1259 00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:08,109 Yeah, thanks for the talk and thanks for 1260 00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:10,599 sharing all your experience points you 1261 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,419 gained on your mission on the way to 1262 00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:15,459 these devices. 1263 00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:17,889 If there are any questions, please 1264 00:48:17,890 --> 00:48:19,959 go to the microphones on the left and 1265 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,099 the right. 1266 00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,229 And are there any questions from 1267 00:48:23,230 --> 00:48:24,230 the Internet 1268 00:48:25,810 --> 00:48:27,609 at the moment? There are no questions 1269 00:48:27,610 --> 00:48:29,379 from the Internet. 1270 00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:30,549 OK, then. 1271 00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:32,619 So I 1272 00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:34,869 thought it was too confusing or too good. 1273 00:48:37,070 --> 00:48:39,859 You've explained everything, so 1274 00:48:39,860 --> 00:48:41,090 I'm sure no questions. 1275 00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:45,859 So why did I hurt you? 1276 00:48:45,860 --> 00:48:48,289 No questions asked, 1277 00:48:49,690 --> 00:48:50,799 what is next? 1278 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,909 I guess I'm 1279 00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:55,279 first going for the 1280 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,709 eye and look, I guess 1281 00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:59,509 there might be some more guys throwing up 1282 00:48:59,510 --> 00:49:01,909 now for the next Naveena Cenacle. 1283 00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:03,469 But if they are 1284 00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:06,859 if there's enough demand, I think 1285 00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:08,119 I can do that easily. 1286 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,169 And there are no obstacles like you have 1287 00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:11,170 seen. 1288 00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:15,709 And I, I kind of like 1289 00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:18,199 that idea to first 1290 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,929 up, the old palm foldable keyboards, 1291 00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:23,389 the mentioned little converting board 1292 00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:25,489 should be for work, for the foldable 1293 00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:27,739 keyboard to make them a USB device 1294 00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:30,279 and for the thing that I 1295 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,149 think that keyboards to convert. 1296 00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:34,219 And yeah, 1297 00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:35,719 there is a question on the left 1298 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:36,720 microphone. 1299 00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:39,949 Did you have any problems with the 1300 00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:42,049 EU recycling? 1301 00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:44,329 Uh, um, legislation? 1302 00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:47,210 Not yet. 1303 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,679 But now the question is on the Internet, 1304 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,719 thank you for this. 1305 00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:07,559 I think there was a talk at 1306 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,809 one of the second conferences about 1307 00:50:09,810 --> 00:50:12,509 that, if you 1308 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:14,939 want to look it up, it's on media. 1309 00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:15,940 Yeah, thanks. 1310 00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:20,810 Well, 1311 00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:23,799 there is a question, can you share best 1312 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,289 practices to set the price, particularly 1313 00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:28,719 in Germany, might be much easier, 1314 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,849 but might cost so much that no one will 1315 00:50:30,850 --> 00:50:31,850 buy it. 1316 00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:33,750 Um. 1317 00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:36,909 It's for the Pandora project. 1318 00:50:36,910 --> 00:50:39,399 It's not true, actually, and 1319 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,539 the target price for the price of 1320 00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:43,809 600 euros and the people 1321 00:50:43,810 --> 00:50:46,149 growing up, as you have seen, three 1322 00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:47,469 days throwing money around. 1323 00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:50,799 So I think that's important 1324 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,899 that the communication beforehand was 1325 00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:54,969 that they say this device is so 1326 00:50:54,970 --> 00:50:58,089 cool. And so that's what I wanted. 1327 00:50:58,090 --> 00:51:00,969 People simply say it's worth the money 1328 00:51:00,970 --> 00:51:02,800 and they know whenever you come back. 1329 00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:07,419 People like you, Dragon and like Bunny 1330 00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:09,839 are always determined to fix things 1331 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,669 because I liked that we had two hours of 1332 00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:13,979 fun finding that the arrows 1333 00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:16,469 was imagined, the possibility 1334 00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:18,689 on a rail of resistance. 1335 00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:20,759 We had 30 balls and we picked 1336 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,139 one for the resistance from that range. 1337 00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:25,229 That was ten times 1338 00:51:25,230 --> 00:51:26,230 off. 1339 00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:28,300 And we have some. 1340 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,749 So then thanks a lot at the 1341 00:51:34,750 --> 00:51:37,209 end and give a shout out 1342 00:51:37,210 --> 00:51:38,530 to Mr. Please.