0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/171 Thanks! 1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,149 Why and how you build and 2 00:00:11,150 --> 00:00:14,119 run your own some of that supervisor? 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,839 Oh, please try. 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,989 It's not the first time 5 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:19,339 I came up for it and 6 00:00:20,510 --> 00:00:22,369 it's quite long. Some 200 Americans 7 00:00:22,370 --> 00:00:23,899 waiting on his feet are the second 8 00:00:23,900 --> 00:00:25,489 thoughts I have in mind. 9 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:27,769 And then I received some emails following 10 00:00:27,770 --> 00:00:28,799 the announcement. 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,219 This group of people saying We actually 12 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:32,149 we are. 13 00:00:32,150 --> 00:00:34,049 I feel we are doing this. 14 00:00:34,050 --> 00:00:35,209 So we all know 15 00:00:36,250 --> 00:00:38,989 that this is the answer of the mission. 16 00:00:38,990 --> 00:00:41,189 So but I don't know. 17 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:43,709 I don't know. 18 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:45,899 And right on that during the 19 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:47,420 talking points 20 00:00:48,820 --> 00:00:50,509 of disagreement. 21 00:00:50,510 --> 00:00:53,089 We are not going to talk about 22 00:00:53,090 --> 00:00:55,309 access was only going 23 00:00:55,310 --> 00:00:57,289 to talk about obsession, but we're not 24 00:00:57,290 --> 00:00:58,939 going to talk about those TV channels. 25 00:00:58,940 --> 00:01:00,769 Those are interesting issue, very 26 00:01:00,770 --> 00:01:02,840 interesting issues, very important issues 27 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:06,589 for them both in some 28 00:01:06,590 --> 00:01:08,829 of the most, those running 29 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:12,240 in so many issues and services at home. 30 00:01:14,180 --> 00:01:16,069 But that's a separate issue, and that's 31 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:18,919 where this stuff goes on to talk to them. 32 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,419 I'm going to focus about this and 33 00:01:21,420 --> 00:01:23,300 also provide a neutral 34 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,920 internet access down. 35 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:31,489 So we'll start by giving 36 00:01:31,490 --> 00:01:33,739 you a 37 00:01:33,740 --> 00:01:35,869 quick overview of the networks 38 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:38,129 and for us, the political environment. 39 00:01:38,130 --> 00:01:40,279 I mean, this is there are 40 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,939 lots of bathrooms. 41 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:42,940 I don't know what you 42 00:01:44,030 --> 00:01:45,040 know about 43 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,289 the various emergency programs 44 00:01:48,290 --> 00:01:49,290 in the. 45 00:01:50,620 --> 00:01:51,620 Okay. 46 00:01:51,970 --> 00:01:52,970 Sorry. 47 00:01:54,620 --> 00:01:57,489 Network neutrality is under 48 00:01:57,490 --> 00:01:58,490 attack 49 00:01:59,830 --> 00:02:02,119 from different perspectives, from 50 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,749 the legislative point of view, from 51 00:02:04,750 --> 00:02:07,239 commercial, is that cell 52 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,949 for all sorts of people. 53 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,379 And do it also, but they don't know what 54 00:02:11,380 --> 00:02:12,380 they're doing, 55 00:02:13,660 --> 00:02:15,669 and they're especially stupid laws like 56 00:02:15,670 --> 00:02:17,829 adopted as a first choice law we have in 57 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:19,120 France and just. 58 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:23,159 And so I can continue 59 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,330 to join a long time with this fellow. 60 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,729 There is no teach. 61 00:02:29,380 --> 00:02:31,299 There are very few. 62 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:32,889 I'm not sure it's easy for you for 63 00:02:32,890 --> 00:02:34,129 someone like that. 64 00:02:34,130 --> 00:02:36,410 So but it's kind of a monopoly there. 65 00:02:39,370 --> 00:02:41,829 The network is very centralized. 66 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:44,199 Everything goes, almost everything 67 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,679 goes through very well. 68 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,399 One one to one person in 69 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,469 the south west of France, one to talk 70 00:02:50,470 --> 00:02:52,749 to one person spreads through 71 00:02:52,750 --> 00:02:54,759 the network with someone and the 72 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,249 southeast. 73 00:02:56,250 --> 00:02:58,419 I just moved to Paris 74 00:02:58,420 --> 00:03:00,819 and goes back to 75 00:03:00,820 --> 00:03:02,379 the south of this country since Typekit. 76 00:03:02,380 --> 00:03:04,719 And that's not how the internet 77 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,069 should work. 78 00:03:06,070 --> 00:03:08,199 So there is something to do on this in 79 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,939 the central sense, what I saw some of the 80 00:03:09,940 --> 00:03:11,199 network. 81 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,869 And of course, as there are commercial, 82 00:03:13,870 --> 00:03:14,869 become much more easily. 83 00:03:14,870 --> 00:03:17,319 We are just numbers in the domains. 84 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,049 When we go to Athlone, we 85 00:03:20,050 --> 00:03:21,050 will have 86 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,409 you to wait for 87 00:03:24,790 --> 00:03:27,819 a long time to have a city, and 88 00:03:27,820 --> 00:03:29,589 that's not really true. 89 00:03:29,590 --> 00:03:32,079 And there are a lot of other issues 90 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,129 on the network in France, 91 00:03:34,150 --> 00:03:35,150 but 92 00:03:36,790 --> 00:03:38,149 not in Malta. 93 00:03:38,150 --> 00:03:39,370 So that someone should check 94 00:03:40,930 --> 00:03:43,449 about people in the city. 95 00:03:43,450 --> 00:03:45,129 What is the internet? 96 00:03:45,130 --> 00:03:46,509 How does it work? 97 00:03:46,510 --> 00:03:47,799 Some of the books that you find in the 98 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,800 supermarkets. 99 00:03:49,660 --> 00:03:51,759 But many people think that's the 100 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,760 way it is. 101 00:03:53,860 --> 00:03:55,989 Many people understand that 102 00:03:55,990 --> 00:03:58,239 freedom of expression is at stake when 103 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,509 it comes to cultural 104 00:04:00,510 --> 00:04:02,409 restrictions and things like that on 105 00:04:02,410 --> 00:04:04,629 their on 106 00:04:04,630 --> 00:04:06,009 their internet access. 107 00:04:07,870 --> 00:04:10,089 Another issue to address is how to 108 00:04:10,090 --> 00:04:12,519 provide public APIs for 109 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,039 making people capable 110 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,229 of hosting their own services at 111 00:04:17,230 --> 00:04:20,199 home before V6 and so 112 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,578 have a neutral access. 113 00:04:21,579 --> 00:04:22,579 That's 114 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:26,979 quite easy actually to to provide a 115 00:04:26,980 --> 00:04:28,420 net neutral access, but 116 00:04:30,540 --> 00:04:32,959 the big telcos continue continue 117 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,089 to tell us that, 118 00:04:35,170 --> 00:04:37,539 yeah, you know, the bandwidth is so, 119 00:04:37,540 --> 00:04:39,699 so big. The pipes of the 120 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:41,950 network are saturated, blah blah. 121 00:04:45,190 --> 00:04:47,079 And there are, of course, a big issue, 122 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,569 which is the the rural areas 123 00:04:49,570 --> 00:04:51,969 and how to build rural networks 124 00:04:51,970 --> 00:04:53,829 there to provide a good access to the 125 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:55,299 internet and to 126 00:04:56,410 --> 00:04:59,079 put an end to this divide the 127 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,250 digital divide 128 00:05:01,570 --> 00:05:02,800 about the access to the internet. 129 00:05:09,260 --> 00:05:10,790 So how do we engage this fight 130 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:14,319 in trying to come up with a solution that 131 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,320 I will present you? 132 00:05:16,670 --> 00:05:18,799 I've identified two key points 133 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,109 for me, but maybe there are others. 134 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:23,689 First, federating and edges, we are 135 00:05:23,690 --> 00:05:26,179 doing things, but how do we build 136 00:05:26,180 --> 00:05:28,879 on top of this? How do we share 137 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,899 the knowledge that we use to build our 138 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:31,879 own networks? 139 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,529 And how do we? 140 00:05:33,530 --> 00:05:36,049 And that's really how can we avoid 141 00:05:36,050 --> 00:05:38,509 to reinvent the wheel and to ask again 142 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:40,849 the same question each in our own little 143 00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:42,139 corners? 144 00:05:42,140 --> 00:05:44,299 So at first in France, there was 145 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:45,199 an example to follow. 146 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,629 FDR and its friends defended work. 147 00:05:47,630 --> 00:05:50,149 It exists in 1992. 148 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:52,249 Since then, almost nothing has changed in 149 00:05:52,250 --> 00:05:54,949 the structure of this organization. 150 00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:57,079 It's a nonprofit organization. 151 00:05:58,370 --> 00:06:00,259 At first, it was plain old telephone 152 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:02,929 system, and then ADSL 153 00:06:02,930 --> 00:06:05,720 came in 2003 2005. 154 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,429 And, well, POTUS has been proven 155 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:13,429 useful lately in Egypt and Syria, 156 00:06:13,430 --> 00:06:16,849 often provided the international 157 00:06:16,850 --> 00:06:19,349 landlines for phone call numbers 158 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:21,559 or to to to 159 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,539 give back the access to the internet to 160 00:06:23,540 --> 00:06:25,909 people there and all around the world, 161 00:06:25,910 --> 00:06:28,159 and also provide VPN, 162 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,359 which is really cool and provides 163 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,539 VPN for a reporter without borders, 164 00:06:32,540 --> 00:06:34,820 which is even more corrupt. 165 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:38,449 So have you ever seen your ISP's returns 166 00:06:38,450 --> 00:06:39,979 because these are mines? 167 00:06:39,980 --> 00:06:42,049 Did those are my and 168 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:44,149 the routers that are on 169 00:06:44,150 --> 00:06:46,249 that, uh, that aren't 170 00:06:46,250 --> 00:06:48,469 seeing my traffic when I'm connecting 171 00:06:48,470 --> 00:06:49,470 to the internet? 172 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,389 So if the end is kind of a choose your 173 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:56,719 own adventure book, no, that book ISP, 174 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,819 it's like you're the hero of 175 00:07:00,610 --> 00:07:03,559 the very end 176 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:03,979 and 177 00:07:03,980 --> 00:07:05,779 the very service that you use every day. 178 00:07:05,780 --> 00:07:07,939 You have your say on how it works 179 00:07:07,940 --> 00:07:08,940 out 180 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,009 on everything under the Sun. 181 00:07:12,010 --> 00:07:13,909 How how much does it cost? 182 00:07:13,910 --> 00:07:14,910 And. 183 00:07:15,950 --> 00:07:17,059 In 2010, 184 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:19,929 everyone was growing and growing 185 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,839 on the human scale that 186 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,999 was very important was starting 187 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,129 to vanish, and then it was 188 00:07:28,130 --> 00:07:29,329 time to spread the word. 189 00:07:29,330 --> 00:07:31,579 It was time to forge and to build 190 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:33,699 otherwise piece and copy at 191 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:36,169 the very same structure in the very same 192 00:07:36,170 --> 00:07:38,689 concept, which were the basis 193 00:07:38,690 --> 00:07:40,429 of everything. 194 00:07:40,430 --> 00:07:42,829 So here came the FDA 195 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:45,109 and the federation then called 196 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:47,539 in tribute of this older 197 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:49,039 organization. 198 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,409 And in 2011, 199 00:07:51,410 --> 00:07:53,929 there were seven nonprofit ISP's 200 00:07:53,930 --> 00:07:56,659 funding this federation counting 201 00:07:56,660 --> 00:07:58,879 something like 400 202 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,489 members, and now we are 23 203 00:08:01,490 --> 00:08:02,959 nonprofit ISP's. 204 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,059 All of our friends are counting something 205 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:07,879 like 1600 members. 206 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,559 And spoiler. 207 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,479 We are soon crossing the borders because 208 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,549 there are plans for building a nonprofit 209 00:08:13,550 --> 00:08:16,069 ISP that will integrate our federation 210 00:08:16,070 --> 00:08:17,070 in Belgium. 211 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Social. 212 00:08:25,310 --> 00:08:27,319 You're right, they are amazing, you 213 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,689 shouldn't you should support them if 214 00:08:29,690 --> 00:08:31,489 you are Belgium. 215 00:08:31,490 --> 00:08:33,739 We can discuss and I can introduce 216 00:08:33,740 --> 00:08:34,668 you to to these people. 217 00:08:34,669 --> 00:08:36,829 They are here today. 218 00:08:36,830 --> 00:08:39,619 So here is a map of this organization. 219 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,079 So we build copies of every 220 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,349 locally to maintain the human scale. 221 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:46,819 That's very important if you want to do 222 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:48,919 things with people that you can meet 223 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,079 them actually on a weekly 224 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,239 daily, not the daily, but weekly 225 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,339 or monthly basis, because 226 00:08:55,340 --> 00:08:58,159 what we are doing requires 227 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,319 a human link much more 228 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,869 than bandwidth 229 00:09:02,870 --> 00:09:03,950 and technical stuff. 230 00:09:05,390 --> 00:09:06,769 So how do we collect subscribers? 231 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:10,309 There are many solutions actually 232 00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:12,619 to to provide access to an internet. 233 00:09:12,620 --> 00:09:14,239 In France, we have the chance the 234 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,399 opportunity to have ADSL back all 235 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,440 contracts. It's not possible everywhere. 236 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:22,039 You can use five gigahertz wi 237 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,769 fi bridges to to extend 238 00:09:24,770 --> 00:09:26,869 ADSL lines and so on to 239 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:29,039 to reach the dark zones 240 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,919 I told you about. 241 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,679 And soon we are going to provide 242 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,899 fiber to the home next 243 00:09:35,900 --> 00:09:38,179 to Paris in a small 244 00:09:38,180 --> 00:09:41,089 city, which is quite exciting. 245 00:09:41,090 --> 00:09:43,519 And no, the RC 11:49 246 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,139 doesn't work. Don't try it. 247 00:09:45,140 --> 00:09:47,239 It's I've heard that there 248 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,309 is a new one, 25 49. 249 00:09:49,310 --> 00:09:51,200 But yeah, we will try it. 250 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:53,929 So some examples. 251 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:57,619 There is a reason. 252 00:09:57,620 --> 00:09:58,620 It's a sort of ISP 253 00:09:59,810 --> 00:10:01,969 to provide temporary wireless access. 254 00:10:01,970 --> 00:10:03,769 It's cheap, easy to set up. 255 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:04,850 It's a really 256 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,139 good example of how we provide 257 00:10:09,140 --> 00:10:11,690 how we do things on a case by case basis. 258 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,740 The commercial ISP's don't offer 259 00:10:17,990 --> 00:10:20,089 how cities are cheap, easy to set up 260 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:21,290 for internet access. 261 00:10:22,430 --> 00:10:24,589 And in this 262 00:10:24,590 --> 00:10:26,929 city where this ISP is located, 263 00:10:28,310 --> 00:10:30,169 actually there are a lot of students and 264 00:10:30,170 --> 00:10:32,399 they are not in in. 265 00:10:33,410 --> 00:10:34,519 They are not in the same place. 266 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,319 They are all over the town, and it's 267 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,569 quite complicated to to 268 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:40,999 give access to a building or 269 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,189 because they are not all in the in two 270 00:10:43,190 --> 00:10:45,279 or three buildings, they are across 271 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,389 the city. So the the 272 00:10:47,390 --> 00:10:49,609 students there came up with the idea of 273 00:10:49,610 --> 00:10:52,249 providing small antennas 274 00:10:52,250 --> 00:10:54,439 at the beginning of the universe, 275 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,319 the universe or New York City or yeah. 276 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,319 And so people come to the student 277 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,339 bureau and they 278 00:11:02,570 --> 00:11:04,010 come back home with this 279 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:07,309 kind of antenna and then the 280 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:09,499 router, they are either relays 281 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,929 or endpoints of this network 282 00:11:11,930 --> 00:11:13,729 all across the the city. 283 00:11:13,730 --> 00:11:15,769 The funny thing is they also do rebound 284 00:11:15,770 --> 00:11:17,349 on our buildings. 285 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:18,650 It's just quite well. 286 00:11:20,860 --> 00:11:22,479 At first, it's scary. 287 00:11:25,330 --> 00:11:27,459 And this is an example I love, this 288 00:11:27,460 --> 00:11:29,859 is the tunnel travel darkness. 289 00:11:29,860 --> 00:11:31,149 They are based in Toulouse. 290 00:11:33,010 --> 00:11:34,750 They are located 291 00:11:35,890 --> 00:11:38,709 close to the darker space of Toulouse, 292 00:11:38,710 --> 00:11:40,209 which is called the datalab. 293 00:11:40,210 --> 00:11:42,579 And they have something great of a fiber 294 00:11:42,580 --> 00:11:44,679 to the data center, which is 200 295 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:45,680 meters 296 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,419 away from the square to where 297 00:11:49,420 --> 00:11:50,470 is the echo space? 298 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,039 And so they provide wireless 299 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,979 VPN, virtual machine hosting 300 00:11:56,980 --> 00:11:57,909 IP for 4G. 301 00:11:57,910 --> 00:11:59,829 See, they have their own autonomous 302 00:11:59,830 --> 00:12:02,199 system. They are pretty much amazing. 303 00:12:03,670 --> 00:12:06,099 And they provide access in both dense 304 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,009 zone in the city and dark zones. 305 00:12:09,010 --> 00:12:12,069 They rented a fiber to 306 00:12:12,070 --> 00:12:14,739 provide access through wireless 307 00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:16,899 in the south of Toulouse, in the middle 308 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:17,900 of nowhere, 309 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,849 and also provide access to squats, which 310 00:12:21,850 --> 00:12:22,850 is really cool. 311 00:12:24,070 --> 00:12:26,589 And there are 400 members. 312 00:12:26,590 --> 00:12:28,929 They exist since three to 313 00:12:28,930 --> 00:12:31,419 three are ago and they are already 314 00:12:31,420 --> 00:12:33,849 friends with members. It's quite amazing 315 00:12:33,850 --> 00:12:34,869 how fast they grow. 316 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,839 There are approximately half of these 317 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,399 people who are actually connected through 318 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,229 the internet. It's difficult to know the 319 00:12:41,230 --> 00:12:43,059 number of people using the access because 320 00:12:43,060 --> 00:12:45,519 they provide access to ourselves. 321 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,169 We don't have people to check in or 322 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:49,839 something to, of course, 323 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,129 and they provide wireless and type of 324 00:12:51,130 --> 00:12:53,229 fiber. As I say that, and that's 325 00:12:53,230 --> 00:12:55,269 a photo I like. So I shared with you, 326 00:12:58,090 --> 00:12:59,979 we are doing this because we gain more 327 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:01,359 control on the infrastructure of the 328 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,439 internet. 329 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,749 Not all the internet, but we 330 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:06,939 had we had something. 331 00:13:06,940 --> 00:13:09,009 We had our own little network to the 332 00:13:09,010 --> 00:13:11,229 internet, and we know that we have 333 00:13:11,230 --> 00:13:13,719 to such extent, to to some extent, 334 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:14,799 a control on this part. 335 00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:18,939 One important thing does is that we 336 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:20,619 build something local friendly. 337 00:13:20,620 --> 00:13:22,689 Human just 338 00:13:22,690 --> 00:13:24,250 gives obviously a better service. 339 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:28,239 Not obviously, because some people ask 340 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,309 me, Well, you are all volunteer 341 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:32,919 based, you know, you're all volunteers. 342 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,199 If the network goes down, 343 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,119 what happens? 344 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,449 Who do you call? 345 00:13:37,450 --> 00:13:38,949 And actually, you call your friends 346 00:13:38,950 --> 00:13:40,059 because they are your friends. 347 00:13:41,710 --> 00:13:43,689 And so you say, I have no network. 348 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:45,369 Do you have an idea? Oh yeah, reboot this 349 00:13:45,370 --> 00:13:46,539 and this, and I'm working. 350 00:13:46,540 --> 00:13:48,400 Oh, God knows this. 351 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,290 Oh, it's not like that almost. 352 00:13:56,220 --> 00:13:58,229 And one important thing that is that we 353 00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:59,879 spread knowledge. 354 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,129 We try to document everything that 355 00:14:02,130 --> 00:14:04,199 we are doing, but we 356 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,419 are quite bad at it as we do 357 00:14:06,420 --> 00:14:07,420 it in the French. 358 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,139 So for now, for now, but 359 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:15,049 I'm trying to advocate for going 360 00:14:15,050 --> 00:14:16,369 outside of France, as you can see. 361 00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:19,849 And we try to have some political 362 00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:21,019 influence. 363 00:14:21,020 --> 00:14:23,089 The federation is 364 00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:26,389 quite small. It's just 1000 members. 365 00:14:26,390 --> 00:14:29,209 But we are listened by 366 00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:32,569 and by politicians, by institutions. 367 00:14:32,570 --> 00:14:33,620 Lately, we have been 368 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,199 listened by aired by the 369 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,659 National Frequency Authority about 370 00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:43,849 how to re-use the old 371 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:46,219 television and analog 372 00:14:46,220 --> 00:14:48,859 to al-Qaeda frequencies. 373 00:14:49,970 --> 00:14:52,459 And basically, the question is what 374 00:14:52,460 --> 00:14:53,599 are we going to do with these 375 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,849 frequencies? Are we going to put to 376 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:57,919 stand with the license 377 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,149 and fees to use them? 378 00:14:59,150 --> 00:15:01,369 Or are we going to open this and 379 00:15:01,370 --> 00:15:03,529 have a good policy for 380 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,110 networks like ours? 381 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:09,019 So that's interesting because putting an 382 00:15:09,020 --> 00:15:10,909 umbrella on top of all of these local 383 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:12,979 initiatives gave us the opportunity 384 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:15,559 to to have some, 385 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,560 some voice. 386 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:20,869 And it's fun. Seriously, we have very 387 00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:22,099 good fun. 388 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:23,100 That's how 389 00:15:24,170 --> 00:15:26,539 some people build 390 00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:28,979 their router modem inside this toaster. 391 00:15:31,940 --> 00:15:32,940 Yeah, that's right. 392 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,749 So we decide the services we provide, we 393 00:15:35,750 --> 00:15:38,179 decide the prices. 394 00:15:38,180 --> 00:15:40,309 When I say we, it's we don't 395 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:42,919 have customers. We have only people 396 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:43,849 doing things together. 397 00:15:43,850 --> 00:15:46,039 So when you subscribe 398 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,989 to one of these ISP's, you become a 399 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:49,099 member of it. 400 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:51,319 And so you have your say on it, you can 401 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,899 say, Oh, the price is quite, 402 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:56,069 uh, it's 403 00:15:56,070 --> 00:15:57,139 too much for me. 404 00:15:57,140 --> 00:15:58,609 Or can we? 405 00:15:58,610 --> 00:16:00,739 I have no or no job. 406 00:16:00,740 --> 00:16:03,049 I can. We do this and 407 00:16:03,050 --> 00:16:05,209 are to group. You can decide that 408 00:16:05,210 --> 00:16:07,459 for people with no jobs or students, 409 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:09,769 we can you can fix or 410 00:16:09,770 --> 00:16:10,999 a low price and something 411 00:16:12,290 --> 00:16:14,689 that will be financed by the others. 412 00:16:14,690 --> 00:16:16,759 That something that you cannot 413 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,379 do with a commercial ISP, be like, say, 414 00:16:18,380 --> 00:16:20,539 Oh please, it doesn't work. 415 00:16:22,070 --> 00:16:23,629 And of course, who decides what 416 00:16:23,630 --> 00:16:24,799 technology we use? 417 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,359 And that's important. 418 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,109 I won't loan you anything like 419 00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:32,239 that with this, and we 420 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,069 shall use. We keep mailing list or you'll 421 00:16:34,070 --> 00:16:35,179 see. 422 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:37,279 Transparency is at the core of what we 423 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,189 are doing. 424 00:16:38,190 --> 00:16:39,919 We have meat space meetings because 425 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,899 that's very important to me, to people 426 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:44,389 you are interacting with 427 00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:46,579 and your with whom 428 00:16:46,580 --> 00:16:49,069 you are doing or building 429 00:16:49,070 --> 00:16:50,070 things. 430 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,849 And we're talking to journalists, 431 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:54,229 politicians, small and medium 432 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:55,459 enterprises. 433 00:16:55,460 --> 00:16:56,629 And there's a 434 00:16:57,710 --> 00:16:58,940 funny project we have 435 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,750 about cinema distribution. 436 00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:05,749 We are friends that are 437 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,078 running independent movie 438 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:11,209 theaters and ask 439 00:17:11,210 --> 00:17:13,909 us if we could distribute 440 00:17:13,910 --> 00:17:14,929 the movies they are 441 00:17:16,010 --> 00:17:18,108 showing from 442 00:17:18,109 --> 00:17:19,699 the distributors to the theaters. 443 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:22,429 And so at first we were like, Okay, 444 00:17:22,430 --> 00:17:25,399 it's just what is the job? 445 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,618 Yeah, it's just basically transporting 446 00:17:27,619 --> 00:17:29,899 films from one point to 447 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:31,609 multiple points. 448 00:17:31,610 --> 00:17:33,439 So I don't know if you heard about the 449 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,700 protocol called BitTorrent. 450 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:46,529 We started to test it, it's quite 451 00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:48,299 efficient. You should have a look at it. 452 00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:54,929 And so more of them to see that 453 00:17:54,930 --> 00:17:57,589 the love we share the same 454 00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:59,689 love for the internet and 455 00:17:59,690 --> 00:18:01,459 yet that all of all the things, it's 456 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,089 what drives us, what makes us 457 00:18:05,090 --> 00:18:07,099 wake up in the morning and say, OK, the 458 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:08,719 internet is again down. 459 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,019 I have to go to, uh, 460 00:18:11,020 --> 00:18:13,369 to the roof and see what, what happened 461 00:18:13,370 --> 00:18:15,859 and so on. And basically, 462 00:18:15,860 --> 00:18:16,860 we love it. 463 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:18,919 Like, that's what friends. 464 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,109 But what about elsewhere 465 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:22,539 and the possible obstacles 466 00:18:24,110 --> 00:18:26,239 the the the legal framework? 467 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,369 I don't know all the legal 468 00:18:28,370 --> 00:18:31,069 framework about telecommunication 469 00:18:31,070 --> 00:18:32,119 in all the countries. 470 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,459 I don't even know everything 471 00:18:34,460 --> 00:18:36,589 about it's in France, so it's quite 472 00:18:36,590 --> 00:18:38,329 complicated. It's sometimes a mess. 473 00:18:38,330 --> 00:18:39,859 You don't want to know what is going on 474 00:18:39,860 --> 00:18:40,860 in Belgium. 475 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,789 There's the market. Of course, 476 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:50,389 it's not easy to have backhaul contracts. 477 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:52,519 We really are 478 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,440 lucky to have it in France. 479 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,549 And one important thing, one important 480 00:18:58,550 --> 00:19:00,969 issue that you asked whether 481 00:19:00,970 --> 00:19:03,039 or you you 482 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,629 should have in mind is the community 483 00:19:05,630 --> 00:19:07,009 the human issue. 484 00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:08,959 You're building something and the next to 485 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,119 last, you're building things with 486 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:13,489 not just machines, but with people. 487 00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:15,049 And that's something you have to take 488 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:17,599 care of that allows 489 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,600 for this, of course, 490 00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:21,589 about the European legal framework. 491 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,629 I've I haven't done an extended 492 00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:28,819 review of this, but there's 493 00:19:28,820 --> 00:19:31,069 not much to help what we are doing. 494 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,159 What is most important is the country of 495 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,019 regulation. There is nothing that I've 496 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:38,209 seen on the European level 497 00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:40,669 on this. Like in France, 498 00:19:40,670 --> 00:19:42,319 you just have to declare yourself an 499 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,449 operator to actually do things. 500 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:46,789 It's just a filling form in 501 00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:48,859 a New York, and you're 502 00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:52,099 even not forced to do this. 503 00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:54,349 And in Belgium, 504 00:19:54,350 --> 00:19:56,609 in Belgium, you have to pay 505 00:19:56,610 --> 00:19:58,789 you a certain amount of euros 506 00:19:58,790 --> 00:19:59,790 if you are 507 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:04,909 shown utter and giving the 508 00:20:04,910 --> 00:20:06,380 service the service for free. 509 00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:09,199 So it's quite we are. 510 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,369 Of course we are. 511 00:20:10,370 --> 00:20:12,589 People pay in our structure. 512 00:20:12,590 --> 00:20:14,509 So we are in Belgium. 513 00:20:14,510 --> 00:20:16,759 I think we would be considered 514 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,099 as commercial ISPs and so 515 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:21,049 we had to pay ten thousand euros, 516 00:20:21,050 --> 00:20:23,209 something like that, uh, to 517 00:20:23,210 --> 00:20:24,499 to start doing things. 518 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:26,869 So it's quite impossible for us. 519 00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:28,460 But we are trying to do things 520 00:20:30,770 --> 00:20:32,329 and there are things to do on the 521 00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:33,330 European level. 522 00:20:34,670 --> 00:20:37,399 We have friends in Spain. 523 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,529 I hope this 524 00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:41,779 talk will give the opportunity 525 00:20:41,780 --> 00:20:44,209 of people from all over or around 526 00:20:44,210 --> 00:20:46,339 Europe and all around the world 527 00:20:46,340 --> 00:20:49,379 to meet and to start to discuss this. 528 00:20:49,380 --> 00:20:51,799 Um, my experience as a volunteer 529 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,899 for like Well-thought-through or Jennette 530 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:55,519 alerted me that if you don't have 531 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,739 politicians to do things, they will 532 00:20:57,740 --> 00:20:59,929 do silly laws and to build 533 00:20:59,930 --> 00:21:02,059 trust. You have to to to 534 00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:04,159 to hit them when they do stupid 535 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,559 laws. And then you have to to propose 536 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,239 something, you have to say, Hey, this 537 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,259 would be better. 538 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:11,689 And if we don't talk together as European 539 00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:13,190 citizens, we won't have 540 00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:16,309 good networks are community driven 541 00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:17,719 networks. 542 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,639 So it's very important to think about 543 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,640 that 544 00:21:22,910 --> 00:21:24,379 technical stuff actually is not the 545 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:25,380 problem. 546 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:28,609 Like, yeah, we can provide a 100 547 00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:29,929 gigabytes of network here. 548 00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:30,930 So 549 00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:35,419 and even it's not a problem using free 550 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:36,619 software. 551 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:38,599 We are at a small scale, and the 552 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,119 bandwidth we are dealing with 553 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,669 doesn't require you to have bigger, 554 00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:44,869 big Cisco and Juniper. 555 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,839 We use quite Berlin to pianists. 556 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,389 We even patched L2TP 557 00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:52,849 and as evilly, 558 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:54,769 we use free radicals upon w.r.t. 559 00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:57,169 There is nothing difficult. 560 00:21:57,170 --> 00:21:58,069 Sharing is the key. 561 00:21:58,070 --> 00:22:00,319 If in your uncle, now you are doing 562 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,869 things and you keep it with you. 563 00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:04,219 Yeah, of course it will be difficult. 564 00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:06,379 But if you reuse what has 565 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:08,059 been done elsewhere, yeah, it's quite 566 00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:09,060 easy. 567 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:11,929 My example is that the network I built 568 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:13,519 in the middle of nowhere in France. 569 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,630 And that's what we built. 570 00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:19,409 We literally copy pasted 571 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:21,679 the configuration files from another from 572 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,809 a reason the student 573 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:25,099 ISP, I'll show you. 574 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:27,230 So, yeah, basically, it's copy based on 575 00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:31,309 who is out there in spring. 576 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:33,889 GIPHY Uh, they have 577 00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:36,199 an amazing network from four 578 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,389 with thousands of nodes, 579 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:39,390 wireless nodes. 580 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,779 There is a free network condition in the 581 00:22:41,780 --> 00:22:42,780 U.S. 582 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,829 there's Linux in Roma, 583 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:48,289 Altamont in Argentina and the individual 584 00:22:48,290 --> 00:22:50,359 network. In in Germany 585 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:53,569 and others, there are plenty of others, 586 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:55,669 but the problem is we don't know 587 00:22:55,670 --> 00:22:56,929 each other. 588 00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:58,519 We don't talk to each other. 589 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,249 We don't benefit from the network. 590 00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:03,349 Even in the same city, 591 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:04,609 there's a finishing. 592 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:07,309 Yesterday evening, I was talking to 593 00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:09,379 some guy from the 594 00:23:09,380 --> 00:23:12,379 Czech space in Stuttgart, and 595 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:14,419 it was very much interested in this. 596 00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:16,559 And this morning I received an 597 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,619 email from a guy 598 00:23:18,620 --> 00:23:20,599 from Stuttgart who was running 599 00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:23,989 a nonprofit ISP. 600 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:26,269 A student, one with four 601 00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:27,800 thousand five hundred members. 602 00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:30,769 And I was like, What? 603 00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:32,059 They don't know each other and they are 604 00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:33,319 in the same city. 605 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,320 What is wrong? 606 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,769 It's not like we have the internet to to 607 00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:37,770 to know each other. 608 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:49,569 So communication and federation is 609 00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:51,190 the key to this, in my opinion. 610 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,609 So I will introduce you to 611 00:23:54,610 --> 00:23:56,530 some kind of exclusivity. 612 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,159 Don't be too excited or maybe 613 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,599 you will see. 614 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,539 So we built a database 615 00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:06,219 at the beginning. We we thought about 616 00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:08,859 this just for friends like 617 00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:10,469 to to share information. 618 00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:12,729 We are we have monthly 619 00:24:12,730 --> 00:24:15,789 meetings in our French organization 620 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:18,309 with the federation and we exchange 621 00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:19,629 our problems. 622 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:22,119 We are asking each other 623 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,489 on a frequent 624 00:24:24,490 --> 00:24:26,919 basis. Oh, now how much 625 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,209 subscribers do you have? 626 00:24:28,210 --> 00:24:29,949 How big is your network and so on? 627 00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:31,689 So it's quite a pain in the ass to have 628 00:24:31,690 --> 00:24:34,059 20 organization asking 629 00:24:34,060 --> 00:24:35,459 themselves over 630 00:24:36,790 --> 00:24:37,809 this numbers. 631 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:38,739 Let's do. 632 00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:40,869 Let's put this stuff into mentions. 633 00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:43,239 And so we've built a database automatic 634 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,639 database that's retrieving information 635 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,919 like the areas covered 636 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,920 and so on. 637 00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:50,630 And 638 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,469 the good thing is is that we can 639 00:24:55,470 --> 00:24:57,669 build an international 640 00:24:57,670 --> 00:24:59,799 with an international scope in 641 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,869 aid so it can 642 00:25:01,870 --> 00:25:03,999 be reused. It's free software and so on. 643 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,649 As a user, you can find the closest 644 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:07,839 friendly ISP and as a 645 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,159 friendly ISP, you can hide your 646 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,160 information. 647 00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:14,169 So here is the the the fee 648 00:25:14,170 --> 00:25:15,640 I will demonstrate you. 649 00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:20,049 We are not all in the 650 00:25:20,050 --> 00:25:21,789 in the system right now. 651 00:25:21,790 --> 00:25:23,199 I will put it in English. 652 00:25:28,290 --> 00:25:29,290 Well, it was English, 653 00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:32,170 so you can 654 00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:34,450 almost. 655 00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:40,879 So you can find the closest ISP 656 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,539 next to you, like if I zoom on the map, 657 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:45,339 then I say I'm living in the middle of 658 00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:46,419 nowhere, which is 659 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,440 at my place. 660 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,699 And then you just put the cursor there in 661 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,069 Tehran. 662 00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:55,809 So you see the areas covered by your 663 00:25:55,810 --> 00:25:57,939 organization next to you, like 664 00:25:57,940 --> 00:26:00,399 your living just here 665 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,549 and there is Wi-Fi. 666 00:26:02,550 --> 00:26:03,729 Sorry. 667 00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:06,039 There is a wireless network there 668 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,130 and we provide ADSL around 669 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:10,839 the area. 670 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,149 So you click on the organization 671 00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:14,499 and you have information 672 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:19,599 like the contacts, the mailing lists, 673 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,149 the number of subscribers, 674 00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:24,219 members, the chat room, if you 675 00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:26,589 want to interact with people 676 00:26:26,590 --> 00:26:28,809 and. And there it is. 677 00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:30,910 It's quite simple, but it's very useful 678 00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:34,149 and it just takes 679 00:26:34,150 --> 00:26:36,759 a few minutes for the new project. 680 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,549 So and my project, you can automatically 681 00:26:39,550 --> 00:26:40,479 provide the Jeison. 682 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,359 We have a format for this 683 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,669 and you can also 684 00:26:45,670 --> 00:26:47,799 fill a form and provide info 685 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,329 and and you're done. 686 00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:50,330 It appears in the map. 687 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:55,629 Uh, so the features, 688 00:26:55,630 --> 00:26:57,729 as I said, there is a description of 689 00:26:57,730 --> 00:27:00,219 for a certain amount of information 690 00:27:00,220 --> 00:27:02,389 on the ISP's subscribers, a realistic 691 00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:03,969 note, blah blah blah. 692 00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:06,219 And it's free software you can budget for 693 00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:07,239 it, whatever you like. 694 00:27:08,650 --> 00:27:10,539 There is also a mailing list for to 695 00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:11,540 discussions 696 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,749 intellectual discussions. 697 00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:17,639 There is the link if they are not on, 698 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,640 do it yourself. 699 00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:21,969 And the idea I 700 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:24,069 I have in mind today, and why 701 00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:26,319 am I in front of you today 702 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,509 is why don't we have, 703 00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:30,429 I guess, spaces dot org for nonprofit 704 00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:31,359 ISP? 705 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,639 Like when I saw that two people 706 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,889 from the same city don't know 707 00:27:35,890 --> 00:27:38,289 each other, I don't know that there is 708 00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:40,689 a big network already existing 709 00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:41,690 and so on. 710 00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:45,489 I'm amazed. It's I'm 711 00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:46,809 it's it's weird. It's really weird. 712 00:27:46,810 --> 00:27:49,209 So I will invite you to discuss 713 00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:51,309 this and to see what we can 714 00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:53,619 do to to share this information 715 00:27:53,620 --> 00:27:55,990 and to have finally some, 716 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,789 some a better overview of what is 717 00:28:00,790 --> 00:28:03,039 going on around this. 718 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,139 So we are going to try and, 719 00:28:05,140 --> 00:28:07,249 you know, the the the information to 720 00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:08,499 you to contact us. 721 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:09,939 If you're interested, there will be a 722 00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:12,159 workshop in all, starting 723 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,199 at 11 a.m. 724 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,359 at one p.m., So 725 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:17,360 you're welcome. 726 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:19,310 Thank you. 727 00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:29,309 All right. 728 00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:31,169 Thank you very much. 729 00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:33,779 And no quick questions. 730 00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:34,980 Anything from the interwebs? 731 00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:38,230 Yeah. 732 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,309 For example, is it hard to get 733 00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:43,409 an autonomous system, no 734 00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:45,659 IP prefixes and to find someone 735 00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:48,299 for doing the beach appear at a 736 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:49,349 hearing? 737 00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:51,779 So sorry, I didn't get the question 738 00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:54,209 is it hard to get an autonomous system, 739 00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:56,399 no IP prefixes 740 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,559 and to find someone for doing the 741 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,449 BGP fearing 742 00:29:00,450 --> 00:29:02,889 for you? It's really simple. 743 00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:04,839 The most difficult thing is to have 744 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,349 public IP before, but 745 00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:09,599 requesting an autonomous 746 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,269 system is is really filling a form, 747 00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:13,289 sort of. 748 00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:15,539 It's quite easy, and 749 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:17,789 that's something people usually 750 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:19,919 think it's difficult and they 751 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,539 think about technical issues. 752 00:29:21,540 --> 00:29:24,959 But in the end, when you discuss with 753 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,359 us, with people who have 754 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,429 tried to do this, you understand 755 00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:31,499 that the technical parts, the 756 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,839 the network part, is 757 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,639 it simple. We do it on a daily basis. 758 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,159 We it config files, we try. 759 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,289 And so you cannot edit the config 760 00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:41,399 file of your friend. 761 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,469 It's that's 762 00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:45,629 the difficult part of this kind 763 00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:46,630 of things. 764 00:29:48,650 --> 00:29:50,719 OK. Quick question for number two, and we 765 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,369 have to wrap up, sorry for that, you can 766 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:55,169 ask Kim later regarding 767 00:29:55,170 --> 00:29:56,129 net neutrality. 768 00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:58,789 How hard is it to stay under the radar 769 00:29:58,790 --> 00:30:01,189 or not? Because in your scale 770 00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:03,439 or scope, we're still dependent 771 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,629 upon a 772 00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:07,939 Tier three ISP 773 00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:10,159 for your access to 774 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,589 the internet. So you do not have enough 775 00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:13,670 power or enough 776 00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:18,439 mass to play 777 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,569 with the big guys and make up 778 00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:23,149 your own rules so you still are dependent 779 00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:25,939 on the rules of the ISP itself. 780 00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:28,129 Regarding net neutrality And 781 00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:29,329 so 782 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:33,139 the answer to that is that basically 783 00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:35,659 so far nobody has tried to enforce 784 00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:37,369 anything that we didn't want on our 785 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:38,839 network, on the layer three. 786 00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:42,979 Well, usually the the network 787 00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:45,469 neutrality at the attacks 788 00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:47,689 appeared. And so 789 00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:48,859 we have the neutral network. 790 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:50,449 We it just works. 791 00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:52,789 And the bigger telcos 792 00:30:52,790 --> 00:30:54,649 just don't care about us and they don't 793 00:30:54,650 --> 00:30:56,209 try to to push things. 794 00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:58,989 We have our own IP or our own 795 00:30:58,990 --> 00:31:01,189 rooting, uh, 796 00:31:01,190 --> 00:31:03,489 and so on. And so 797 00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:04,759 it just works. 798 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,309 But they are not forced by legislation 799 00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:09,169 to keep well. 800 00:31:09,170 --> 00:31:11,899 Well, there are things 801 00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,479 enforced by legislation, but we 802 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,229 try to use the F the N to 803 00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:19,249 to be a voice against it and to say, Hey, 804 00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:20,959 we are a lot of people and we are against 805 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,209 it. We are running ISP's and we say 806 00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:25,429 it's not OK and we are 807 00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:26,929 ISPs with citizens behind. 808 00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:27,980 And that's 809 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,379 a different angle. 810 00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:32,719 Like, uh, and 811 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,279 that's important to have multiple angles 812 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,929 to attack these kind of things. 813 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:40,189 All right. Is sorry for that. 814 00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:41,869 We are out of time. 815 00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:43,879 Let's give him another round of applause. 816 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,079 Thank you very much. 817 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,059 And please remember to bring up the class 818 00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:48,109 with you. 819 00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:49,110 Thank you.