0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/766 Thanks! 1 00:00:14,150 --> 00:00:16,039 Welcome, everybody, to our next talk. 2 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,049 It's community, our speaker today is 3 00:00:18,050 --> 00:00:19,609 Mitch Altman. I'm pretty sure I don't 4 00:00:19,610 --> 00:00:21,979 have to introduce him to you and 5 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:24,349 just two of his many achievements. 6 00:00:24,350 --> 00:00:25,849 He's one of the co-founders of 7 00:00:25,850 --> 00:00:28,519 Noisebridge Hackerspace in San Francisco 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,529 and he's also the inventor of the TV 9 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:32,629 began the advice that can switch 10 00:00:32,630 --> 00:00:33,829 off TVs everywhere. 11 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:35,989 So you just said I turn off 12 00:00:35,990 --> 00:00:38,689 TVs for a living, which is awesome. 13 00:00:38,690 --> 00:00:40,369 Also, I don't know how many of you have 14 00:00:40,370 --> 00:00:42,499 watched or read Game of Thrones, but I 15 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:44,329 always think of Mitch as the three eyed 16 00:00:44,330 --> 00:00:46,249 Ravens', a guy who has been sitting in a 17 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:48,439 tree, you know, just being super 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,329 wise. And he has always been there and 19 00:00:50,330 --> 00:00:52,009 he's teaching people who come along. 20 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:53,590 So that's basically Mitch for me. 21 00:00:54,770 --> 00:00:56,869 Yeah. So I hope you will enjoy the 22 00:00:56,870 --> 00:00:58,459 talk. He's going to talk about his 23 00:00:58,460 --> 00:01:00,799 experiences in the community and 24 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,079 he hopes to inspire people to please 25 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,669 give a warm round of applause to Mitch. 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,979 And thanks, everyone, for 27 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:16,140 being here so early in the morning. 28 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:18,749 I didn't know I was going to give this 29 00:01:18,750 --> 00:01:20,819 talk until 30 00:01:20,820 --> 00:01:23,729 a couple of days ago, really, and I 31 00:01:23,730 --> 00:01:25,769 put together a bunch of slides that I've 32 00:01:25,770 --> 00:01:27,959 been giving talks on for the last couple 33 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,179 of years, mainly last year. 34 00:01:30,180 --> 00:01:31,409 As I travel around, 35 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,349 I can talk about a whole bunch of 36 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:35,789 different things. 37 00:01:35,790 --> 00:01:37,949 Um, you know, 38 00:01:37,950 --> 00:01:40,139 one of the I just came back from China 39 00:01:40,140 --> 00:01:42,899 a month and a half ago, and there I gave 40 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:44,220 basically the same talk 41 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:47,879 about, I don't know, twenty five times 42 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,979 to all of these government officials 43 00:01:49,980 --> 00:01:52,049 in China who keep inviting 44 00:01:52,050 --> 00:01:53,729 me to come and talk about hacker spaces, 45 00:01:53,730 --> 00:01:55,199 of all things. 46 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,639 So I could talk about some of that. 47 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,559 I could talk more about hacker spaces. 48 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,689 I could talk about a whole bunch 49 00:02:00,690 --> 00:02:02,099 of things. I don't know what people 50 00:02:02,100 --> 00:02:03,119 think. 51 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,120 Should I just rant? 52 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:09,299 OK. So anyway, this is my 53 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:10,500 contact information. 54 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:12,640 It's real. 55 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:15,389 Please contact me if you think I can help 56 00:02:15,390 --> 00:02:17,279 you in any way. 57 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,109 You know, running a small business. 58 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:20,849 I've done that. I've made a lot of stupid 59 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:22,949 mistakes and I can help you avoid those 60 00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:24,719 same stupid mistakes so you can make your 61 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,720 stupid mistakes 62 00:02:27,150 --> 00:02:28,169 if you're depressed. 63 00:02:28,170 --> 00:02:29,170 I've been there. 64 00:02:30,390 --> 00:02:31,769 Whatever. 65 00:02:31,770 --> 00:02:33,779 Please contact me if you think I can 66 00:02:33,780 --> 00:02:35,309 help. I love helping people anyway. 67 00:02:35,310 --> 00:02:36,310 I can. 68 00:02:38,450 --> 00:02:40,489 You can find me on the Internet if you 69 00:02:40,490 --> 00:02:43,429 don't want to get that, 70 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:45,499 I'm not really into 71 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:48,269 conventional wisdom myself, 72 00:02:48,270 --> 00:02:49,700 conventional wisdom. 73 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,699 Certainly we can learn from the 74 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:53,869 experiences of others. 75 00:02:53,870 --> 00:02:55,309 But if we're going to do anything really 76 00:02:55,310 --> 00:02:57,589 cool in our lives, we've got a quite 77 00:02:57,590 --> 00:02:59,569 often think of things and do things in 78 00:02:59,570 --> 00:03:00,570 our own way. 79 00:03:01,610 --> 00:03:04,399 So a lot of the stuff I'm going to say 80 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,459 is probably going to be, 81 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:09,049 well, anyway, it's just my opinions. 82 00:03:09,050 --> 00:03:10,609 I don't want to tell anyone what to do 83 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:13,249 and what not to do, but I hope you can 84 00:03:13,250 --> 00:03:15,439 take what I say and just think about 85 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,059 it and come up with your own ways of 86 00:03:17,060 --> 00:03:18,060 doing things. 87 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,409 And since you're a captive audience, I 88 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:23,899 always like showing this slide and 89 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:26,419 talking about the importance of 90 00:03:26,420 --> 00:03:28,579 having a way of making getting 91 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:30,709 the resources you need to live your life 92 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:32,009 the way you want to live it. 93 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:34,129 It's really, really, really important to 94 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:36,259 do all of that in a way that feels 95 00:03:36,260 --> 00:03:38,989 personally meaningful for you. 96 00:03:38,990 --> 00:03:41,089 So many of us, probably even here in 97 00:03:41,090 --> 00:03:43,399 this room, need money 98 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,069 in order to get food and shelter. 99 00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:48,169 As absurd as that is, we 100 00:03:48,170 --> 00:03:49,279 do need some money. 101 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,869 That's only one resource, though. 102 00:03:50,870 --> 00:03:52,969 If we focus on that one resource, it's 103 00:03:52,970 --> 00:03:55,309 to the detriment of so many others. 104 00:03:55,310 --> 00:03:56,929 What are we willing to do to get those 105 00:03:56,930 --> 00:03:59,360 resources so 106 00:04:00,770 --> 00:04:03,109 you can have some job that 107 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:05,089 you don't even like just to get enough 108 00:04:05,090 --> 00:04:07,199 money so you can come home exhausted, 109 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,200 that you can 110 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:11,479 fall asleep groggily, wake 111 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,249 up, take a bunch of caffeine so you can 112 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:15,199 wake up to go back to work in the morning 113 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,479 for a job you don't even like. 114 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,159 You can do that. 115 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,389 You can do other things, too. 116 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,639 Maybe you can have a job you hate. 117 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,259 A lot of people seem to choose that 118 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,379 I happen to turn TV's off for a living 119 00:04:30,380 --> 00:04:31,639 and I love my job. 120 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,889 So I want to 121 00:04:33,890 --> 00:04:36,049 say a bit about that and just use that 122 00:04:36,050 --> 00:04:38,449 as encouragement to 123 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:40,459 all of you if you're not doing so 124 00:04:40,460 --> 00:04:42,679 already, to explore, take 125 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,959 time to explore and find ways 126 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,389 that maybe you can create projects 127 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:49,039 that you love, that other people might 128 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,199 love, that they might pay 129 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,479 you to do it at 130 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:54,259 the best. 131 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:57,229 Capitalism has that to offer. 132 00:04:57,230 --> 00:04:58,819 There's other problems with capitalism, 133 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:00,919 as we all know. But, you know, that 134 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,879 is a possibility. 135 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,829 You might be able to make a living doing 136 00:05:03,830 --> 00:05:05,989 what you love rather than 137 00:05:05,990 --> 00:05:08,029 something stupid that puts you out of 138 00:05:08,030 --> 00:05:09,199 commission. 139 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,239 And I think with the world the way it is 140 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,519 right now, we 141 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,409 all have to play our part. 142 00:05:15,410 --> 00:05:16,579 And that's always been true. 143 00:05:16,580 --> 00:05:19,309 But with recent events and 144 00:05:19,310 --> 00:05:21,829 the world's political scenes, 145 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:24,649 that's just really points that out. 146 00:05:24,650 --> 00:05:26,779 So I do live a life that 147 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:28,039 I really love. 148 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,439 But as 149 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,569 many people here know, I didn't start 150 00:05:32,570 --> 00:05:35,059 off that way. I grew up being totally 151 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:36,559 depressed. 152 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,709 I was brutally bullied in school, 153 00:05:39,710 --> 00:05:41,989 targeted for being gay, 154 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:44,209 for being an introverted geek, for being 155 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:46,369 bad at sports, not caring who wins 156 00:05:46,370 --> 00:05:47,370 in games, 157 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,529 for being weird, for being intellectual. 158 00:05:51,530 --> 00:05:53,539 And in my country, being smart is kind of 159 00:05:53,540 --> 00:05:55,099 a detriment. 160 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:56,100 So 161 00:05:57,500 --> 00:05:59,449 life was total. Hell, teachers actually 162 00:05:59,450 --> 00:06:02,329 watched as the bullies beat me up 163 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:04,399 and life was 164 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,239 really hell. 165 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,239 My parents were clueless. 166 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,369 So when I got home, I tried to escape all 167 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:12,799 of my pain by watching TV because 168 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,269 there it was. 169 00:06:14,270 --> 00:06:15,270 We had a TV, 170 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,219 we had more than one TV and 171 00:06:19,220 --> 00:06:20,689 I watched it a lot. 172 00:06:20,690 --> 00:06:22,879 And, you know, kids on TV, unlike 173 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,949 me, were beautiful 174 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:27,169 and had loving parents understanding 175 00:06:27,170 --> 00:06:29,359 friends problems that were solved by the 176 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,529 end of the show. 177 00:06:31,610 --> 00:06:33,319 And it was totally depressing to me 178 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,999 because I would compare myself to all of 179 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,279 that. And that made me 180 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:39,409 just want to watch the next show to get 181 00:06:39,410 --> 00:06:40,789 rid of my pain even more. 182 00:06:40,790 --> 00:06:42,109 And I would just sit there getting more 183 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:43,939 and more unhealthy, not doing anything, 184 00:06:43,940 --> 00:06:46,039 not learning how to deal with other kids, 185 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,989 not doing anything useful in time would 186 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:49,609 just go away and it would just make me 187 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:51,649 more of a target when I went back to 188 00:06:51,650 --> 00:06:53,569 school, only to want to escape my pain 189 00:06:53,570 --> 00:06:55,369 even more when I got back home. 190 00:06:55,370 --> 00:06:58,939 And that's called addiction. 191 00:06:58,940 --> 00:07:01,459 And I am still a TV addict. 192 00:07:03,020 --> 00:07:05,029 There are so many ways that we can use to 193 00:07:05,030 --> 00:07:06,889 avoid ourselves in our lives. 194 00:07:06,890 --> 00:07:09,109 There's so many distractions, many 195 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:11,629 of them socially sanctioned, 196 00:07:11,630 --> 00:07:13,969 considered socially desirable, even 197 00:07:13,970 --> 00:07:16,369 like working too much 198 00:07:16,370 --> 00:07:19,099 or drinking too many substances 199 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:21,199 or eating too many substances. 200 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,699 Whatever we can use anything is a 201 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:24,169 distraction. 202 00:07:24,170 --> 00:07:25,969 All these things have things to offer as 203 00:07:25,970 --> 00:07:26,970 well. 204 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,619 No, there's a long road for me to 205 00:07:30,620 --> 00:07:31,969 actually learn to live a life. 206 00:07:31,970 --> 00:07:34,279 I love living and I don't really 207 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,409 have the time to talk about 208 00:07:36,410 --> 00:07:38,129 all that now. 209 00:07:38,130 --> 00:07:39,749 If you're interested in some of that 210 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:41,999 story, you can look at 211 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,099 twenty eight C three on the Geeks and 212 00:07:44,100 --> 00:07:46,949 Depression panel that I organized 213 00:07:46,950 --> 00:07:49,439 at the end of lightning talks 214 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,569 with the help of Nick Fire a few years 215 00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:52,709 ago. 216 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:54,749 But if you want to talk about that, ever 217 00:07:54,750 --> 00:07:57,329 just grab me or email me or call me. 218 00:07:57,330 --> 00:07:59,489 I'm happy to share all that. 219 00:07:59,490 --> 00:08:02,399 But I eventually did learn being a geek 220 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,889 to become really good at your stuff. 221 00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:07,410 And I was spent a lot of time 222 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,129 helping little companies 223 00:08:11,130 --> 00:08:13,229 with their project 224 00:08:13,230 --> 00:08:14,429 problems. 225 00:08:14,430 --> 00:08:16,709 And I got paid really well for that, 226 00:08:16,710 --> 00:08:18,989 able to make enough money in a few weeks 227 00:08:18,990 --> 00:08:21,029 to a few months to live the rest of the 228 00:08:21,030 --> 00:08:22,289 year without working. 229 00:08:22,290 --> 00:08:24,359 And I would use that other time 230 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,879 for all sorts of cool things. 231 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,069 But after 10, 232 00:08:29,070 --> 00:08:31,949 15 years actually of doing that, 233 00:08:31,950 --> 00:08:34,859 I got kind of tired of 234 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:36,989 doing projects for other 235 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:39,058 people, not so 236 00:08:39,059 --> 00:08:41,009 much because it was for other people, but 237 00:08:41,010 --> 00:08:43,259 because they were projects that 238 00:08:43,260 --> 00:08:45,149 weren't ones that excited me. 239 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:46,799 Even though I did a bunch of really cool 240 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,929 projects, they weren't really ones 241 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:49,979 that excited me. 242 00:08:49,980 --> 00:08:51,779 They had all of these pluses and minuses. 243 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:53,849 Everything has pluses and minuses, right? 244 00:08:53,850 --> 00:08:56,339 So the minuses seem to outweigh 245 00:08:56,340 --> 00:08:58,949 the pluses for me, even though I helped 246 00:08:58,950 --> 00:09:00,539 create virtual reality. 247 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:01,949 And I think have I put a slide? 248 00:09:01,950 --> 00:09:03,719 I was doing my slides at two thirty in 249 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,309 the morning so they might be kind of out 250 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:06,359 of order. We'll see. 251 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,249 Anyways, I might have a slide about VR 252 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:10,079 later. I helped develop VR in the mid 253 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,759 1980s. 254 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,529 Of course, there's a lot of hype about VR 255 00:09:13,530 --> 00:09:15,149 right now. It's going to be the next big 256 00:09:15,150 --> 00:09:17,249 thing and I don't like 257 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:18,389 the next big things. 258 00:09:18,390 --> 00:09:20,519 I don't know about you, but I knew back 259 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,659 in the nineteen eighties 260 00:09:23,070 --> 00:09:24,929 that it was going to be used to market at 261 00:09:24,930 --> 00:09:27,089 us to make us want to buy 262 00:09:27,090 --> 00:09:28,790 things we don't even want or need. 263 00:09:29,910 --> 00:09:31,979 And of course that's what's happening 264 00:09:31,980 --> 00:09:32,909 right now. 265 00:09:32,910 --> 00:09:34,979 Unless Facebook decides to change 266 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:37,199 the way they do things, I'm 267 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,609 not sure why they spent what it was at 268 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:40,829 three point one billion dollars on 269 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:41,889 Oculus Rift. 270 00:09:41,890 --> 00:09:42,899 It was probably to make the world a 271 00:09:42,900 --> 00:09:43,900 better place. 272 00:09:45,930 --> 00:09:48,179 We'll see. Anyways, after doing all this 273 00:09:48,180 --> 00:09:50,879 for about 15 years, I decided 274 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,009 I really wanted to put 275 00:09:53,010 --> 00:09:54,809 all of my time and energy into things 276 00:09:54,810 --> 00:09:57,210 that I thought were awesome. 277 00:09:58,420 --> 00:10:00,459 I didn't want to spend so much of my time 278 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:02,379 and energy working on other people's 279 00:10:02,380 --> 00:10:04,389 projects that I just thought were OK at 280 00:10:04,390 --> 00:10:06,729 best, only 281 00:10:06,730 --> 00:10:08,799 to be exhausted and have about two months 282 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,689 of recovery to figure out how to live my 283 00:10:10,690 --> 00:10:13,149 life again after the project 284 00:10:13,150 --> 00:10:14,150 would end. 285 00:10:14,830 --> 00:10:17,259 So I did an experiment on myself. 286 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:19,839 I saved up a year of 287 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,949 money. 288 00:10:20,950 --> 00:10:23,559 I was lucky enough to be able to do that. 289 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:26,079 And I set aside that year 290 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,239 as a year that I would only do what I 291 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,290 love doing. 292 00:10:30,510 --> 00:10:32,489 It was kind of scary, though, because 293 00:10:32,490 --> 00:10:34,619 we're all trained to think that money is 294 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:37,559 really important and in many ways it is. 295 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:39,659 How would I make money again if I kept 296 00:10:39,660 --> 00:10:41,459 turning down work that came my way simply 297 00:10:41,460 --> 00:10:42,479 because I didn't love it? 298 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,749 Would anyone hire me again? 299 00:10:45,060 --> 00:10:46,289 I didn't know. 300 00:10:46,290 --> 00:10:48,389 But I did have some kind of notion 301 00:10:48,390 --> 00:10:50,579 that there must be some way of 302 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:53,159 doing stuff that I find really meaningful 303 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,319 stuff that I love doing and then getting 304 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,659 enough of what I need to keep doing, 305 00:10:57,660 --> 00:10:58,660 what I love. 306 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,499 I thought that would somehow be possible, 307 00:11:02,500 --> 00:11:04,209 but I didn't know what that would be, I 308 00:11:04,210 --> 00:11:05,889 knew a bunch of stuff that I love, like 309 00:11:05,890 --> 00:11:07,959 volunteer work, and I knew that 310 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,309 there were a bunch of projects that I 311 00:11:09,310 --> 00:11:11,199 really wanted to play with that I didn't 312 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,389 really play with for a number of years, 313 00:11:13,390 --> 00:11:14,709 because when I was working in 314 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:16,899 electronics, I rarely 315 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:18,759 felt like coming home and playing with 316 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,499 electronics. 317 00:11:20,500 --> 00:11:22,689 So all that energy kind of like jazz was 318 00:11:22,690 --> 00:11:23,649 on hold. 319 00:11:23,650 --> 00:11:25,779 But now I had time and I started 320 00:11:25,780 --> 00:11:27,969 working on projects that I really 321 00:11:27,970 --> 00:11:30,519 love that I was thinking about for years. 322 00:11:31,810 --> 00:11:33,609 One of the projects became the brain 323 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:35,949 machine, which some of you may have seen, 324 00:11:35,950 --> 00:11:37,539 and you can try it at the hardware 325 00:11:37,540 --> 00:11:39,999 hacking area. I got one with me and 326 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,919 it's a popular project, but the one that 327 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,139 really got on a roll was 328 00:11:44,140 --> 00:11:45,989 to be gone. 329 00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:48,299 For so many years, TV, 330 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:50,579 it had control over my life, 331 00:11:50,580 --> 00:11:52,709 part of living, learning to live a life I 332 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:54,479 really love. I was quitting television. 333 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,609 I went cold turkey in 1980 334 00:11:56,610 --> 00:11:58,379 and I had a lot of time to do other 335 00:11:58,380 --> 00:12:00,059 things, like become really good at geeky 336 00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:01,439 stuff, which made me a living for the 337 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,479 next 15 years. 338 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,610 But still, back then 339 00:12:06,750 --> 00:12:07,979 this was twenty three. 340 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:09,209 When I did this experiment, 341 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:11,639 TVs were starting to pop up. 342 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,709 Everywhere in public places is way worse 343 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:16,109 now. But in 2003 344 00:12:16,110 --> 00:12:18,209 it was terrible as far as I 345 00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:19,139 was concerned. 346 00:12:19,140 --> 00:12:21,329 And this thing that 347 00:12:21,330 --> 00:12:23,189 had had power over me, I could get rid of 348 00:12:23,190 --> 00:12:24,809 it from my apartment. But now it was 349 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:26,189 popping up everywhere in public. 350 00:12:26,190 --> 00:12:27,359 And I didn't want to just sit in my 351 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,939 apartment, just be away from TVs. 352 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:31,799 I couldn't do anything about those TVs in 353 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,899 public places, but I could and 354 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:35,699 did figure out a way to turn them all 355 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:36,479 off. 356 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,480 So I did. 357 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:41,019 And it took me pretty much 358 00:12:41,020 --> 00:12:43,479 all of that year to 359 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,189 make that happen, conceptually, it's 360 00:12:45,190 --> 00:12:45,759 pretty easy. 361 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:46,689 I mean, what could be easier? 362 00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:48,399 I mean, in off code, it's just blinking 363 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:49,659 an infrared led. 364 00:12:49,660 --> 00:12:51,189 It's invisible light, but still it's just 365 00:12:51,190 --> 00:12:53,259 blinking an led and you do a 366 00:12:53,260 --> 00:12:54,519 little bit different for Sony and 367 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,629 Panasonic and all that. 368 00:12:55,630 --> 00:12:57,609 But whatever it is, it's a 369 00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:59,409 microcontroller blinking an led. 370 00:12:59,410 --> 00:13:00,519 What could be easier? 371 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,259 Well, it turned out they don't they don't 372 00:13:02,260 --> 00:13:03,759 publish the codes. 373 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,189 So it took me a year to figure 374 00:13:06,190 --> 00:13:08,259 out all of the ways these 375 00:13:08,260 --> 00:13:10,179 codes work and to record them all from 376 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:12,039 universal remote controls, get rid of the 377 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,139 duplicates it required and making my 378 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:16,299 own logic analyzer, because back in two 379 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:17,859 thousand three, that cost ten thousand 380 00:13:17,860 --> 00:13:19,809 dollars minimum. And I didn't have that. 381 00:13:19,810 --> 00:13:21,729 And all this software I had to write in 382 00:13:21,730 --> 00:13:23,889 order to characterize 383 00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:25,989 all of the data that I had was 384 00:13:25,990 --> 00:13:27,669 a lot of data and get rid of the 385 00:13:27,670 --> 00:13:29,559 duplicate and near duplicate codes 386 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:31,539 because of code is the same as an honor 387 00:13:31,540 --> 00:13:33,749 code and turn the TV off. 388 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:35,199 If another code comes along and turns it 389 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,909 on, well, that wouldn't be OK with it. 390 00:13:36,910 --> 00:13:39,819 So anyways, it took me a year. 391 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:41,409 That's OK. 392 00:13:41,410 --> 00:13:43,539 I was obsessed once 393 00:13:43,540 --> 00:13:45,519 I started turning off any TV, I wanted to 394 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:46,569 turn off all of them. 395 00:13:46,570 --> 00:13:48,609 And after a year I was doing that and I 396 00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:50,829 was doing it because I 397 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:51,830 loved it 398 00:13:53,620 --> 00:13:55,839 and I still do love it. 399 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,939 And I really didn't think it was going 400 00:13:57,940 --> 00:13:59,229 to make me money. I was just doing it 401 00:13:59,230 --> 00:14:00,399 because I loved it. And there were a 402 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,379 bunch of friends helping me and they were 403 00:14:02,380 --> 00:14:03,999 helping me because they thought it was 404 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,349 really exciting, too. 405 00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:06,429 They wanted one as well. 406 00:14:06,430 --> 00:14:08,559 So everyone who helped me after I got it 407 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,019 working, I made one for them 408 00:14:11,020 --> 00:14:12,009 and it did work. 409 00:14:12,010 --> 00:14:13,539 After a year, I was going around San 410 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:15,669 Francisco where I live, turning TVs off 411 00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:17,139 everywhere I went. 412 00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:19,329 And it was really fun and my 413 00:14:19,330 --> 00:14:20,919 friends were doing it as well. 414 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,109 And they had a lot of fun and their 415 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:25,299 friends saw what they were doing and they 416 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:27,009 wanted one. And I couldn't make one for 417 00:14:27,010 --> 00:14:28,690 everyone. So I decided 418 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,129 to make to have some manufactured. 419 00:14:33,130 --> 00:14:35,409 But when it turned out that 420 00:14:35,410 --> 00:14:37,719 the friends of my friends friends 421 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,939 also wanted them, that's 422 00:14:39,940 --> 00:14:42,039 when I thought maybe this actually is an 423 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,389 opportunity. 424 00:14:43,390 --> 00:14:44,949 As bizarre as it might be. 425 00:14:44,950 --> 00:14:46,449 I mean, the conventional wisdom would 426 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:48,279 definitely not say to start a business 427 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,710 about something as bizarre as this, but 428 00:14:52,060 --> 00:14:54,249 I'm not conventional. So I took 429 00:14:54,250 --> 00:14:56,319 a gamble and I put all the money I had 430 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,319 into buying as many as I could afford, 431 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,139 not just a few hundred, but I bought 432 00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:03,140 twenty thousand. 433 00:15:04,940 --> 00:15:07,039 And I thought maybe 434 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,169 it would take, I don't know, five 435 00:15:09,170 --> 00:15:10,549 years or whatever, but I knew I could at 436 00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:12,169 least five thousand, that's what I 437 00:15:12,170 --> 00:15:14,119 calculated I would have to sell in order 438 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,339 to break 439 00:15:16,340 --> 00:15:17,340 even. 440 00:15:17,770 --> 00:15:19,509 And if I broke even, that would be great, 441 00:15:19,510 --> 00:15:21,369 because even if it took five years or 442 00:15:21,370 --> 00:15:23,229 whatever in five years, thirty five 443 00:15:23,230 --> 00:15:24,999 thousand people turning TVs off all over 444 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,079 the world. And I thought that would be 445 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,399 really cool. 446 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,049 And it's kind of bizarre because we live 447 00:15:29,050 --> 00:15:30,039 in a world where people just 448 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,299 automatically go in a room and they turn 449 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:33,819 a TV on if it's not on already. 450 00:15:33,820 --> 00:15:35,289 I just don't get it. 451 00:15:35,290 --> 00:15:36,519 I want to turn them off. 452 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,379 But if I could help other people turn 453 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:40,719 them off, I thought that be cool. 454 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,489 But it turned out I was totally wrong. 455 00:15:42,490 --> 00:15:44,469 I did not sell five thousand in five 456 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:45,729 years. 457 00:15:45,730 --> 00:15:47,980 I sold twenty thousand in three weeks 458 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:50,600 and. 459 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:57,459 And I had to order more 460 00:15:57,460 --> 00:15:58,869 and it was really stressful, but all of 461 00:15:58,870 --> 00:16:00,969 my friends who are helping it 462 00:16:00,970 --> 00:16:02,709 turned out almost all of them were in a 463 00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:04,179 place in their life. They could quit jobs 464 00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:06,369 that they didn't like and help me. 465 00:16:06,370 --> 00:16:08,379 And we formed a company and it's been 466 00:16:08,380 --> 00:16:10,659 making a living for all 12 of us 467 00:16:10,660 --> 00:16:12,699 for the last 12 years. 468 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:14,889 It's kind of awesome doing 469 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:16,569 something we really love. 470 00:16:16,570 --> 00:16:18,579 But, you know, at that moment, the first 471 00:16:18,580 --> 00:16:21,069 day of sales was because of a Wired.com 472 00:16:21,070 --> 00:16:22,929 article, because of someone I volunteered 473 00:16:22,930 --> 00:16:24,699 with at the San Francisco Bicycle 474 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:25,809 Coalition. 475 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:27,759 And he was in journalism school, needed a 476 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,689 final project. 477 00:16:28,690 --> 00:16:30,999 And he's like, oh, let me interview about 478 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,129 this. It'll be like 15 minutes. 479 00:16:33,130 --> 00:16:35,169 But it turns out we've spent all day, all 480 00:16:35,170 --> 00:16:37,239 night that we met going around San 481 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,569 Francisco, turning TVs off. 482 00:16:38,570 --> 00:16:40,629 And he would go up to people and 483 00:16:40,630 --> 00:16:42,369 say he turned off the TV. 484 00:16:42,370 --> 00:16:43,689 What do you think about that? 485 00:16:43,690 --> 00:16:46,119 And so 486 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,739 it turned out in a good article, really 487 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:50,979 good article that got into Wired.com. 488 00:16:50,980 --> 00:16:53,409 And evidently 489 00:16:53,410 --> 00:16:56,049 people pay attention to Wired.com because 490 00:16:56,050 --> 00:16:57,050 that morning, 491 00:16:58,330 --> 00:17:00,279 the first day of sales was determined by 492 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,439 that Wired.com article, which was 493 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,659 Tuesday at 2:00 in the morning on 494 00:17:04,660 --> 00:17:05,979 October 19th. 495 00:17:05,980 --> 00:17:07,779 And I know that because it changed my 496 00:17:07,780 --> 00:17:08,780 life forever, 497 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:12,368 that article, because 498 00:17:12,369 --> 00:17:14,259 people were just waiting for my website 499 00:17:14,260 --> 00:17:16,209 to go live. Me and my friend Chris were 500 00:17:16,210 --> 00:17:17,649 getting it ready so it could accept 501 00:17:17,650 --> 00:17:19,779 credit cards for the few strange 502 00:17:19,780 --> 00:17:22,149 people that might want to buy this thing. 503 00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:23,799 But at 5:00 in the morning, when we 504 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,389 finally finished, we started getting 505 00:17:25,390 --> 00:17:27,639 orders immediately after making 506 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,829 the website go live. 507 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:30,759 I mean, what were people doing? 508 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,859 Were they just sitting, hitting the five 509 00:17:32,860 --> 00:17:35,079 key, waiting for the live 510 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,969 soon screen to go away? 511 00:17:36,970 --> 00:17:39,129 And, yeah, that's what was happening. 512 00:17:39,130 --> 00:17:41,409 So anyway, is NPR, 513 00:17:41,410 --> 00:17:43,479 National Public Radio in the United 514 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,179 States called me and 515 00:17:46,180 --> 00:17:46,959 I was up all night. 516 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,729 I don't even know what I said. 517 00:17:48,730 --> 00:17:51,039 And I guess I did OK, because immediately 518 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,779 after that, The New York Times called me 519 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:55,119 and then people fucking magazine calls me 520 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,069 and Fox TV, they called me. 521 00:17:57,070 --> 00:17:59,799 And the next day I'm on Fox TV Live 522 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,899 and their morning show with I don't know 523 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:04,149 how many tens of millions of people 524 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:06,219 who maybe don't even like watching 525 00:18:06,220 --> 00:18:08,650 me live as I'm turning off TVs 526 00:18:09,790 --> 00:18:11,589 in their studio. 527 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,369 So and. 528 00:18:20,410 --> 00:18:22,989 I can't oh, I'm obscured 529 00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:23,990 by Mike's. 530 00:18:25,820 --> 00:18:27,979 OK, so I 531 00:18:27,980 --> 00:18:29,509 guess people are watching out there, 532 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:30,829 everybody, so 533 00:18:31,850 --> 00:18:34,189 yeah, anyways, because of all that, 534 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:36,249 I was invited to give public 535 00:18:36,250 --> 00:18:38,029 public talks and 536 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,299 talking into a camera is 537 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:42,919 one thing, but talking before a whole 538 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,959 bunch of people who can see you drool. 539 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,419 I mean, that's I'm an introvert, a geek. 540 00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:49,099 I mean, when we're doing talking before 541 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:51,139 all of you. But it turns out I like it 542 00:18:51,140 --> 00:18:52,669 and I guess I did OK. 543 00:18:52,670 --> 00:18:55,819 And anyways, this has been 544 00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:57,979 changing my life continually in 545 00:18:57,980 --> 00:18:59,629 unexpected ways ever since. 546 00:18:59,630 --> 00:19:01,909 And I have a few slides for that. 547 00:19:01,910 --> 00:19:03,710 But I do want to point out. 548 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,049 I succeeded in my 549 00:19:08,050 --> 00:19:10,899 quest for what I call success, 550 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,999 and it's an ongoing process as 551 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,129 long as I'm alive, but this is my 552 00:19:15,130 --> 00:19:16,359 definition of success. 553 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:18,609 If you can make time to explore and do 554 00:19:18,610 --> 00:19:20,469 what you love doing. 555 00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:22,449 You might find things. 556 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:23,889 And I think you will find things you 557 00:19:23,890 --> 00:19:25,299 really, really love. 558 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:26,769 You have to make time for it, though, 559 00:19:26,770 --> 00:19:28,719 which is the hard part. 560 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,579 And if you find something you really 561 00:19:30,580 --> 00:19:33,279 love, chances are other people will, too. 562 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,919 And with the right people maybe 563 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,989 coming together to make it available for 564 00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:40,059 others, others might pay you to 565 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:41,529 do that. 566 00:19:41,530 --> 00:19:43,239 And you can get enough of what you need 567 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,009 doing what you love to keep doing what 568 00:19:45,010 --> 00:19:46,010 you love. 569 00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:49,379 It's possible no guarantees, 570 00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:50,879 it's guaranteed that it won't happen if 571 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:51,880 you don't try. 572 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,329 So anyway, that's up to you. 573 00:19:55,530 --> 00:19:58,439 But because the TV bigon I met 574 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,809 some totally weird, wonderful 575 00:20:00,810 --> 00:20:02,879 person named Lamore Free who calls 576 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,039 herself Lady ADA, and 577 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,409 she's after 578 00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:09,869 a few years later, she started a fruit, 579 00:20:09,870 --> 00:20:12,869 which is a huge open hardware company 580 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:14,999 that does lots of amazingly cool stuff 581 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,249 for the open hardware 582 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:18,419 community. 583 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:20,879 And because of her, she's 584 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,769 friends with the editor of Make magazine, 585 00:20:22,770 --> 00:20:23,909 which I never even heard of. 586 00:20:23,910 --> 00:20:25,349 They'd been around for a year at this 587 00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:27,059 point then. 588 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:28,319 So they were going to be in San 589 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,519 Francisco. Why don't you come to the 590 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:30,929 Maker Faire and what the hell is the 591 00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:33,089 Maker Faire? And I looked it up online is 592 00:20:33,090 --> 00:20:34,469 like, why didn't I know about this? 593 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:35,939 So it's a whole bunch of people who come 594 00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:37,979 together to show off what they create, 595 00:20:37,980 --> 00:20:40,169 what they make and share it with 596 00:20:40,170 --> 00:20:41,849 other people. 597 00:20:41,850 --> 00:20:44,569 So I went and I was like amazed 598 00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:46,739 that I was like as a whole group of 599 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:49,049 introverted geeks sharing their projects 600 00:20:49,050 --> 00:20:49,799 of all sorts. 601 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,979 And I thought that was wonderful. 602 00:20:51,980 --> 00:20:53,789 And of course, no one was making anything 603 00:20:53,790 --> 00:20:55,469 there, which I thought was weird, the 604 00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:57,149 Maker Faire. 605 00:20:57,150 --> 00:20:58,949 So I thought, gee, I love this. 606 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:00,809 Maybe the next time I go, I'll actually 607 00:21:00,810 --> 00:21:02,369 teach people how to solar, which is 608 00:21:02,370 --> 00:21:03,479 something I love. 609 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,029 And that grew from a few smoldering irons 610 00:21:06,030 --> 00:21:08,369 to teaching thirty 611 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:10,079 five hundred people how to solar in two 612 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,489 days. 613 00:21:11,490 --> 00:21:13,619 And I put a lot of my life into 614 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:15,209 Maker Faire. 615 00:21:15,210 --> 00:21:17,399 I also started writing for Make magazine 616 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,289 and that's the first time I published The 617 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:21,389 Brain Machine, which is a really weird 618 00:21:21,390 --> 00:21:23,969 project that helps people meditate. 619 00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:25,530 And along the way you 620 00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:29,459 hallucinate colors and patterns and it 621 00:21:29,460 --> 00:21:31,049 turns out people like hallucinating. 622 00:21:31,050 --> 00:21:33,809 So it became a popular project. 623 00:21:33,810 --> 00:21:36,059 And yeah, 624 00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:38,189 I wanted to use that as 625 00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:40,289 a way to share the 626 00:21:40,290 --> 00:21:42,029 benefits of meditation, which is another 627 00:21:42,030 --> 00:21:43,469 one of the things that was important for 628 00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:45,569 me to learn to live a life 629 00:21:45,570 --> 00:21:48,299 I love and not just be a depressed blob. 630 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:50,279 So if other people could benefit from 631 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,629 that, I thought would be cool. 632 00:21:51,630 --> 00:21:54,029 And it also I wanted people to try making 633 00:21:54,030 --> 00:21:56,099 something that even if they've never made 634 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:57,539 anything because it was intriguing 635 00:21:57,540 --> 00:21:59,460 enough, it worked on all these things. 636 00:22:00,660 --> 00:22:02,669 But going to Maker Faire, 637 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,179 I met someone who 638 00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:08,369 connected me with someone 639 00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,619 named Bernie S, who's part of twenty six 640 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:12,659 hundred, and he called me up and ordered 641 00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:14,939 a bunch of T v guns for his friends 642 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:17,039 and he said, you should come to this 643 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,509 thing called a hacker conference and 644 00:22:18,510 --> 00:22:19,859 like, what the hell that 645 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,109 I've heard of. 646 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:23,489 Twenty six hundred. I was into phone 647 00:22:23,490 --> 00:22:24,989 phreaking when I was in middle school but 648 00:22:24,990 --> 00:22:26,429 I didn't really know about hacker 649 00:22:26,430 --> 00:22:27,419 conferences. 650 00:22:27,420 --> 00:22:30,119 And I went and my first one was 651 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:31,120 Hope six. 652 00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:34,429 And that totally changed 653 00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:37,429 my life forever in another way, and 654 00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:40,069 this was thousands of 655 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:42,469 the most coolest gigs I ever 656 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:45,529 imagined, all in one huge 657 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:47,689 hotel in the middle of New York City. 658 00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:50,089 And I loved it. 659 00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:51,379 I totally loved it. 660 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:53,809 And I've been part of doing Hekker stuff 661 00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:55,789 ever since. And I didn't know it, but I'd 662 00:22:55,790 --> 00:22:57,739 been hacking all my life and in fact, 663 00:22:57,740 --> 00:22:59,569 going from a depressed blob of a kid to 664 00:22:59,570 --> 00:23:00,859 someone who loves living my life. 665 00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:03,289 That was a life hack because that's 666 00:23:03,290 --> 00:23:05,509 hacking and we 667 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:07,189 can hack ourselves. 668 00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:09,319 And at that conference, there were some 669 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,049 people, one in particular, 670 00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:14,240 who was helping organize. 671 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:19,129 And, well, a bunch of people told me 672 00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:21,409 about these things here 673 00:23:21,410 --> 00:23:23,749 in Germany at the time in Berlin 674 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:25,669 and the Chaos Computer Club. 675 00:23:25,670 --> 00:23:27,499 And they said, if you love this, you'll 676 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:28,789 really love those. 677 00:23:28,790 --> 00:23:30,919 So my first one 678 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,739 was twenty three, C three 679 00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:36,170 and it's now buried in these somewhere. 680 00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:40,579 There it is. 681 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:41,580 What's left of it. 682 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:49,179 So, yeah, 683 00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:51,369 and again, there was hardly 684 00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:53,409 anything being made there, so I set up 685 00:23:53,410 --> 00:23:55,959 some smoldering irons and that grew into 686 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,149 the hardware hacking area and 687 00:23:58,150 --> 00:24:00,789 I set that up at my 688 00:24:00,790 --> 00:24:03,099 next hacker conference, 689 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:04,509 which was this one. 690 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:06,939 And not only were there thousands of 691 00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:09,039 geeks sharing and people all 692 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,569 all of whom I wanted to actually have a 693 00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:12,639 conversation with all even though 694 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,079 we're all introverted, it was just so 695 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:14,619 wonderful. 696 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:16,359 And of course, there was the lasers and 697 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,579 LEDs and and a rocket 698 00:24:18,580 --> 00:24:19,839 ship. 699 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,030 And of the hundreds of talks, 700 00:24:23,050 --> 00:24:25,179 there were people talking about 701 00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:27,549 hacker spaces, calling it the hackerspace 702 00:24:27,550 --> 00:24:29,619 design patterns, which was 703 00:24:29,620 --> 00:24:30,669 talk. 704 00:24:30,670 --> 00:24:33,129 And now 705 00:24:33,130 --> 00:24:34,959 I thought, gee, you know, hackers 706 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,190 conferences end. 707 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,659 These things are wonderful, but they 708 00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:40,039 always end and they have to, like, 709 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,169 somehow adjust back into life in 710 00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:44,269 what most people call the real world, but 711 00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:46,009 which seems to me to be some kind of 712 00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:48,140 ethereal, weird thing to decide now. 713 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:52,009 But if if I could start a hackerspace 714 00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:54,229 in my hometown, it doesn't 715 00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:55,369 have to end. 716 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:56,689 We could be doing this stuff all year 717 00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:58,339 round, come together in community, 718 00:24:58,340 --> 00:24:59,989 supporting each other, exploring what we 719 00:24:59,990 --> 00:25:02,179 love, trying things, doing things, 720 00:25:02,180 --> 00:25:04,279 encouraging people to be the best we can 721 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,149 be. 722 00:25:05,150 --> 00:25:06,150 And 723 00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:08,310 so I started 724 00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:12,469 Noisebridge with some friends. 725 00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:14,659 A bunch of us getting together made 726 00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:16,819 this amazingly cool space happen. 727 00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:18,649 We've been through lots of problems, but 728 00:25:18,650 --> 00:25:20,539 we've overcome all of them and we 729 00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:21,919 continue to do that. 730 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,539 Community is definitely hard work, but 731 00:25:23,540 --> 00:25:24,709 it's so worth it. 732 00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:26,569 We need community in our lives. 733 00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:28,759 We need community in our lives. 734 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,769 We don't need it to survive, but we need 735 00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:33,079 it to feel that our lives 736 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,489 are way worthwhile. 737 00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:36,889 We absolutely need this 738 00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:38,479 and we don't have enough of it in our 739 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,480 lives. 740 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,649 And this resonates with so many of us. 741 00:25:42,650 --> 00:25:44,929 I mean, that's why we're here, right, 742 00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:46,549 right here in this room. 743 00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:48,079 And you could see me on the video. 744 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,939 And it's cool that these technologies 745 00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:52,609 exist, but it's so much cool to be here 746 00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:54,289 all together, living and breathing 747 00:25:54,290 --> 00:25:55,309 together. 748 00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:58,579 Well, back at Camp twenty seven, 749 00:25:58,580 --> 00:26:00,799 there were people who went off and formed 750 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,989 NYC Resistor and Hack DC and other 751 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:04,219 hacker spaces. 752 00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:06,439 And these were highly influential, along 753 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,239 with hacker spaces in Germany that 754 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,489 already existed, all of us helping each 755 00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:12,139 other to create our spaces. 756 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:14,359 They became influential in starting lots 757 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,189 of hacker spaces within a year. 758 00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:18,259 There were one hundred more within 759 00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:20,119 a year after that there were five hundred 760 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,399 more and then there were a thousand more. 761 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,599 And it's been growing pretty much 762 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,189 exponentially ever since. 763 00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:29,209 We started Hackerspace Big the year 764 00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:30,319 after that. 765 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,419 Here's a map from there showing 766 00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:34,669 many of the hacker spaces, 767 00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:36,379 many continents are actually kind of 768 00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:38,019 obliterated by pins there. 769 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,399 This stuff's happening. 770 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,499 That's actually an old map 771 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,619 because China is now obliterated 772 00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:46,639 with hackers phases. 773 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,259 And I'll talk a bit about that if I have 774 00:26:48,260 --> 00:26:49,260 time to. 775 00:26:54,270 --> 00:26:56,159 So, yes, starting off kind of small, I 776 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,109 mean, teaching people to soldier, I have 777 00:26:58,110 --> 00:26:59,609 been teaching people to soldier every 778 00:26:59,610 --> 00:27:01,829 Monday at Noisebridge 779 00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:03,419 every every Monday since two thousand 780 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:05,579 seven. And now that I travel so much, 781 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:07,859 someone else named Jay 782 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:09,629 at Noisebridge, who's totally awesome, 783 00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:11,249 has been doing that for the last couple 784 00:27:11,250 --> 00:27:12,359 of years. 785 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,619 So the tradition continues and 786 00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:16,919 became one of our most popular things. 787 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,089 People love doing this stuff and 788 00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:22,649 it kind of grows is my favorite picture 789 00:27:22,650 --> 00:27:24,779 from teaching 50 people 790 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:27,329 at one side, a soldier that was at thirty 791 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:29,489 three here three years 792 00:27:29,490 --> 00:27:30,419 ago. 793 00:27:30,420 --> 00:27:33,209 And yeah, look, 794 00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:34,159 I mean, they're just learning to 795 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,999 shoulder. I mean, it's no big deal, but 796 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000 look, they're happy. 797 00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:44,469 That's the kind of thing that happens 798 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:46,509 when people just come together to try 799 00:27:46,510 --> 00:27:48,699 something they think they might like, and 800 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,649 in order to build confidence, even though 801 00:27:50,650 --> 00:27:52,749 someone may never soldier ever again, 802 00:27:52,750 --> 00:27:54,579 they have the confidence to know they can 803 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:56,559 do something they didn't even think they 804 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,939 could do. 805 00:27:57,940 --> 00:28:00,069 So and this 806 00:28:00,070 --> 00:28:01,359 stuff is fun. 807 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,309 And I've been going around the world 808 00:28:03,310 --> 00:28:05,499 giving talks and workshops, big 809 00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:07,749 talks, a little talks, you know, 810 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:10,359 huge led screens and 811 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:11,589 crazy stuff. 812 00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:13,389 You know, it's just great going around 813 00:28:13,390 --> 00:28:15,219 the world teaching people what they want 814 00:28:15,220 --> 00:28:17,649 to learn and sharing, 815 00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:19,449 hopefully inspiring them to do whatever 816 00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:21,639 it is they think is cool in 817 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,640 their lives 818 00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:24,710 and 819 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:26,469 whatever. 820 00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:27,579 Just a few pictures. 821 00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:30,099 Here's a talk for 822 00:28:31,150 --> 00:28:33,429 a whole bunch of government 823 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:34,780 bureaucrats in 824 00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:37,130 Honjo, 825 00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:41,169 China, from a couple of months ago. 826 00:28:41,170 --> 00:28:43,659 And here's one in Rio. 827 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:44,799 This is a lot cooler 828 00:28:46,330 --> 00:28:48,459 because they have more LED's 829 00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:50,679 in Rio de Janeiro from 830 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,439 last month and 831 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,259 back in 832 00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:58,329 a few years ago when I was 833 00:28:58,330 --> 00:29:00,249 still doing maker fairs that grew really 834 00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:00,759 big. 835 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,889 And there's just tons 836 00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:04,749 of fun putting a lot of time into that, 837 00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:07,209 helping lots of people of all ages. 838 00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:09,789 And in 839 00:29:09,790 --> 00:29:11,919 2011, they gave 840 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,989 me this honor, which 841 00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:16,209 it still makes me emotional. 842 00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:18,099 And if you want to see a video of me 843 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,259 crying, you can see the video 844 00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:22,869 even still on the make web website 845 00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:25,389 of me accepting this award, 3D printed 846 00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:26,390 parts. 847 00:29:27,370 --> 00:29:29,469 I received the first and it turns out 848 00:29:29,470 --> 00:29:31,809 the last Mitch Altman Maker 849 00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:33,699 Hero Award. They named it after me. 850 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:34,700 And it's like 851 00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,999 it's just recognition for doing 852 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,140 what I love. And 853 00:29:42,610 --> 00:29:43,929 it was great. 854 00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:45,999 And then at the end of this, 855 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,469 at the New York Maker Faire, 856 00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:50,679 there was a thank you dinner for everyone 857 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,579 who helped. 858 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:53,859 And they talked about all these great 859 00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:55,689 things, thanking everyone for this and 860 00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:58,299 that. And then then 861 00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:00,429 we got this 10 million dollar grant 862 00:30:00,430 --> 00:30:03,759 for putting hacker spaces in a thousand 863 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,469 high schools in the United States. 864 00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:07,149 And it's really, really cool. 865 00:30:07,150 --> 00:30:09,339 And then he's going on and 866 00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:10,989 saying, oh, and by the way, it was a 867 00:30:10,990 --> 00:30:13,119 grant from DARPA, which is an arm of 868 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,320 the US military. 869 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,169 And I felt 870 00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:20,939 like I was kicked in the stomach because 871 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:23,159 every single place I ever 872 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,079 worked in my entire life, without 873 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,179 exception until to 874 00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:29,339 be gone, the military came and wanted to 875 00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:30,749 take what we were doing. 876 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:32,849 And every single time the people who ran 877 00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:35,189 the company said yes, because 878 00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:36,530 it would make them a lot of money. 879 00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:41,259 And I quit every single time 880 00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:43,269 and I didn't want to quit Maker Faire, I 881 00:30:43,270 --> 00:30:45,069 never imagined that the military would 882 00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:46,869 come and want to take that. 883 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:48,429 But of course they do. 884 00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:50,559 They want the magic created by what we're 885 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,560 doing. 886 00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:54,279 And after struggling with a while, I 887 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,809 knew I would feel terrible quitting, 888 00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:57,489 helping make it fair, but I would feel 889 00:30:57,490 --> 00:30:59,200 way more terrible helping. 890 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,909 The US military hurt and kill and 891 00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:05,069 spy and maim and doing all the things 892 00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:06,689 that they do, and I already help them 893 00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:09,029 enough by paying my fucking 894 00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:10,030 taxes. 895 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,029 And it still makes me really sad 896 00:31:20,030 --> 00:31:22,729 to think about this and of course, angry, 897 00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:24,829 but that gave 898 00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:26,419 me a lot more time to do a lot of other 899 00:31:26,420 --> 00:31:28,639 things by not doing that, which 900 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,079 took a lot of time, which I love. 901 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,059 But it turned out because of that, I was 902 00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:34,189 invited to give a talk at Ted 903 00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:36,499 Brussels, which is a really huge 904 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:38,389 TED event. 905 00:31:38,390 --> 00:31:41,089 Twenty two hundred people and 906 00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:43,279 gave a talk about hacker spaces, which 907 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,379 I'm just so gratified, actually 908 00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:47,179 helped start hacker spaces around the 909 00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:49,009 world, more hacker spaces. 910 00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:52,459 And also every year I've been 911 00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:54,919 manufacturing TV bigon in China, 912 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,329 choosing a place that 913 00:31:58,220 --> 00:32:00,379 treats their people way well, pays them 914 00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:02,509 well, treats the environment 915 00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:04,579 well and has 916 00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:06,499 safety standards that are adhered to. 917 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:08,209 There aren't there are a lot of places 918 00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:09,529 like that in China. Of course, there are 919 00:32:09,530 --> 00:32:11,449 a lot more places that aren't like that. 920 00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:13,249 But I've been going every year because 921 00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:15,379 it's really important to be with people 922 00:32:15,380 --> 00:32:18,229 and keep the physical 923 00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:20,299 communication happening and not just 924 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,379 over the Internet. 925 00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:23,539 So after Bunnie 926 00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:25,909 Huang organized a trip showing people 927 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:27,649 manufacturing and Shenzhen in the 928 00:32:27,650 --> 00:32:29,719 electronics markets there, I thought it'd 929 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,979 be really cool to bring people from 930 00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:32,899 China, from Noisebridge over there and 931 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:34,459 show what it's like. 932 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:36,509 And that's started what I call hacker 933 00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:37,969 trips to China. 934 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:39,889 So I've been organizing a group of people 935 00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:41,659 going to China and showing all the pluses 936 00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:44,449 and minuses there and having a lot of fun 937 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:46,129 and going visiting. 938 00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,649 I mean, it's fun going in a bunny suit 939 00:32:48,650 --> 00:32:50,209 might not be fun doing it every day, but 940 00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:51,829 doing it once a year is really fun. 941 00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:54,259 And and it grew really big. 942 00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:56,539 And this is actually in the Beijing 943 00:32:56,540 --> 00:32:57,540 airport. 944 00:32:58,730 --> 00:33:00,289 I thought that was wonderful. 945 00:33:00,290 --> 00:33:02,389 And and I've been working 946 00:33:02,390 --> 00:33:04,219 with this guy is a professor at Tsinghua 947 00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:05,119 University. 948 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,259 It's considered one of the best 949 00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:08,329 universities in China. 950 00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:10,549 And if I have time, 951 00:33:10,550 --> 00:33:11,869 I can talk a bit about that. 952 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:14,730 And 953 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:17,869 as long as we're going around, we get 954 00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:19,129 invited to give talks. 955 00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:21,139 And the more I give talks about hacker 956 00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:23,059 spaces in China, the more I'm invited to 957 00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:24,319 give more talks. 958 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,419 And I, 959 00:33:26,420 --> 00:33:28,939 I talk about it in ways it's 960 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:30,799 it's helpful for, you know, talking to 961 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,929 bureaucrats, you talk bureaucrat speak. 962 00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:35,389 So the benefits of a hackerspace 963 00:33:35,390 --> 00:33:37,519 are its educational 964 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,919 benefits and as well as its local 965 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,199 economic benefits to kickstart 966 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,519 depressed areas. 967 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,859 And they give talks that grew from 968 00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:48,469 little teeny like in a university to 969 00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:50,539 huge talk to universities, to this 970 00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:52,189 at the Panasonic's Center. 971 00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:54,229 And it's huge. 972 00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:56,089 I mean, that poster behind me that they 973 00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:57,399 had a huge one. 974 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,659 It's like, hey, we invited a white 975 00:33:59,660 --> 00:33:59,899 guy. 976 00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:01,639 He's going to talk about a hacker spaces 977 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,709 and all these people show up 978 00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:06,049 and all these other people 979 00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:07,639 start doing it as well. 980 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,988 And hacker spaces are starting all over 981 00:34:08,989 --> 00:34:11,089 China. Have a few photos next, but it 982 00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:13,519 filters up all the way to the very top 983 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,559 of government pushing this stuff. 984 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,779 And here is 985 00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:19,968 Premier Li, that's supposedly 986 00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:22,669 the head of state of China 987 00:34:22,670 --> 00:34:24,779 last year, going to visit 988 00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:26,360 Taiwan hacker space 989 00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:29,689 and saying this is the future of China 990 00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:31,339 hacker spaces. 991 00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:33,709 Can you imagine the future 992 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:35,658 of China? He said so. 993 00:34:35,659 --> 00:34:37,158 And then all the bureaucrats everywhere 994 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,079 in China think they have to start a 995 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,080 hackerspace. 996 00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:48,759 So the US not wanting to be left too far 997 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,760 behind. 998 00:34:54,330 --> 00:34:56,529 So and oddly enough, this 999 00:34:56,530 --> 00:34:58,659 guy, Joey, he's he's 1000 00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:01,269 amazingly brilliant and wonderful. 1001 00:35:01,270 --> 00:35:03,369 He he now lives in Shenzhen, 1002 00:35:03,370 --> 00:35:05,589 China, and works at this 1003 00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:06,590 hackerspace. 1004 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:12,239 So anyways, hacker 1005 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,909 spaces, they're they're awesome, 1006 00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:17,009 but hackerspace is the main thing about 1007 00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:19,499 them is community. 1008 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,869 It really is about community. 1009 00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:23,609 So many cool things come from it. 1010 00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:26,219 But the main thing is community 1011 00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:28,079 people, self organizing to create the 1012 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,509 community that really works for them. 1013 00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:31,649 And it's really fun. 1014 00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:33,419 I mean, whether it's soldiering or doing 1015 00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:36,209 mechanical things, it doesn't matter. 1016 00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:37,799 People coming together to do what they 1017 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,599 think they might like, encouraging each 1018 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,819 other, exploring, feeling like 1019 00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:43,499 they're part of each person is part of 1020 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:46,499 something bigger and wonderful. 1021 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:48,629 And it's all 1022 00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:49,630 about hacking. 1023 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:52,509 And there's many definitions of hacking, 1024 00:35:52,510 --> 00:35:54,879 but mine is seeing the world 1025 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,979 full of resources, the world 1026 00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:58,479 is full of resources. 1027 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,559 Money is one of them. 1028 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,359 But there's so many resources and we can 1029 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,609 use them all in any way we want 1030 00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:05,169 anyway. We don't have to use them in the 1031 00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:06,939 way that they were intended by the people 1032 00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:08,739 who created those resources. 1033 00:36:08,740 --> 00:36:09,969 We can use them any way we want. 1034 00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:11,649 We can see what works, what doesn't 1035 00:36:11,650 --> 00:36:13,449 improve our projects with them. 1036 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:15,039 Those projects can be pretty much 1037 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,169 anything and then we share 1038 00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:20,199 it. And overall we do it because 1039 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,639 it's really wonderful. 1040 00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:25,669 It's really a way of looking at things, a 1041 00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:26,670 way of being. 1042 00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:30,139 And here's a slide from my 1043 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:32,099 bureaucratic talks or talk for 1044 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:33,739 bureaucrats. 1045 00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:35,659 There are totally intrapreneurship they 1046 00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:37,759 want to create the next Silicon Valley. 1047 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,929 It's not going to happen. 1048 00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:39,930 But anyways, 1049 00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:43,249 to be a hacker, you don't have to be an 1050 00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:45,679 entrepreneur to be an entrepreneur. 1051 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,669 You don't have to be a hacker. 1052 00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:48,019 But if you're going to be an entrepreneur 1053 00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:49,639 who's any good, you do have to be a 1054 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,599 hacker. 1055 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,309 You definitely need to start with a 1056 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:54,559 creative mindset and grow 1057 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,389 something that's personally meaningful, 1058 00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:57,859 that will be meaningful to other people 1059 00:36:57,860 --> 00:36:59,449 so that they'll pay you to do it. 1060 00:36:59,450 --> 00:37:02,209 Otherwise, what's the point? 1061 00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:04,279 So and of 1062 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,349 course, anything can be hacked. 1063 00:37:06,350 --> 00:37:08,509 This is what most people think of 1064 00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:10,069 electronics, computers, whatever. 1065 00:37:10,070 --> 00:37:11,989 But technology is just tools. 1066 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:13,489 You know, there's all sorts of tools for 1067 00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:15,919 art and craft and art and craft is 1068 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,149 totally the hackers doing that. 1069 00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:19,549 That's the hacker mindset. 1070 00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:20,869 Same with science. 1071 00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:22,909 You don't do science expecting a certain 1072 00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:25,219 result. You do science with a hypothesis 1073 00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:27,319 to see what will happen and then learn 1074 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,419 from it and then make more hypotheses 1075 00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:31,459 and grow from it. This is hacking. 1076 00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:33,649 We hack ourselves all the time, otherwise 1077 00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:34,969 we don't become better people. 1078 00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:36,469 We hack our communities, we hack the 1079 00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:38,539 planet. We need the hack the planet. 1080 00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:40,729 The planet certainly needs our 1081 00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:42,829 love and support and growth 1082 00:37:42,830 --> 00:37:44,659 and improvement. 1083 00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:46,759 We need to hack everything and we 1084 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,129 can do that so much better 1085 00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:51,199 with the support of others, with others 1086 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,479 sharing our resources together 1087 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,549 and making ourselves and our communities 1088 00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:57,679 and our societies and the planet a better 1089 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,090 place for all of us. 1090 00:38:00,620 --> 00:38:01,909 And we can do that with all these 1091 00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:04,279 different kinds of tools, electronics 1092 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,859 and fabrication and the small hand tools 1093 00:38:06,860 --> 00:38:09,469 and art and cooking 1094 00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:10,489 all ages. 1095 00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:12,949 It's not about age, 1096 00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:14,419 little people, big people. 1097 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:16,189 We all have things we can share with 1098 00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:17,719 other people. We all have things we can 1099 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:19,579 learn from other people. 1100 00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:22,009 And this is why hacker spaces 1101 00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:23,899 are such fantastic educational 1102 00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:24,900 environments 1103 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:28,879 and why schools are having 1104 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,169 hacker spaces as part of their 1105 00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:32,359 curriculum. Now, I've been giving more 1106 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,219 and more talks about that as I go around 1107 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:35,329 as well. 1108 00:38:35,330 --> 00:38:38,029 And but it's really 1109 00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:40,129 all about community. 1110 00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:42,259 So but this is 1111 00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:44,029 where real innovation happens, is when 1112 00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:45,739 you have that creative environment for 1113 00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:47,119 people who are exploring, they actually 1114 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,399 find unique things like 1115 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,119 drones. 1116 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,189 I mean, the main thrust of that 1117 00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:53,689 was in twenty three, thirty three. 1118 00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:56,269 The first time that 1119 00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:58,339 publicly was shown 1120 00:38:58,340 --> 00:39:01,099 German hackers created for 1121 00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:03,169 computer fans 1122 00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:05,299 on a thing that they made with lots of 1123 00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:07,249 microcontrollers to control it all. 1124 00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:08,570 And it actually flew 1125 00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:10,969 fucking awesome. 1126 00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:13,849 Of course, it had lots of LSD on it too, 1127 00:39:13,850 --> 00:39:15,559 which made it cooler looking. 1128 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,989 But now it's open source 1129 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:20,059 and you can buy a little what you call 1130 00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:22,010 drones instead of micro copters now 1131 00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:24,289 for fifteen dollars. 1132 00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:25,609 And of course, all the people involved 1133 00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:27,529 with that don't know anything about the 1134 00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:29,209 technology that went into that. 1135 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:30,229 It's all open source. 1136 00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:31,909 They just copy it and use it. 1137 00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:34,249 But this is how things go. 1138 00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:36,889 And of course, there's downsides to 1139 00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:38,629 that guy I showed you in the White House 1140 00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:40,969 a little bit ago, used it to kill people 1141 00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:42,979 in Yemen and other places around the 1142 00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:43,980 world. 1143 00:39:44,570 --> 00:39:46,849 That's because some people think it's OK 1144 00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:49,100 to do something for the military. 1145 00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:52,260 I don't 1146 00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:56,539 think people can make their own choices, 1147 00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:58,609 but I know what I think and I'm happy to 1148 00:39:58,610 --> 00:40:00,409 talk about that if you ever want to as 1149 00:40:00,410 --> 00:40:01,429 well. 1150 00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:03,800 So, um, yeah. 1151 00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:07,249 So anyways, hacker spaces, they're 1152 00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:09,649 cool. They've grown from 40 1153 00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:12,079 about in twenty seven to zillions 1154 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,699 in the world now because they're so cool 1155 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:16,669 and governments are pushing them because 1156 00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:18,589 they love them. The feather in their cap 1157 00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:20,959 if they're bureaucrats and 1158 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,699 they're good for education, good for the 1159 00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:23,839 economy. 1160 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,699 But so many bureaucrats are creating 1161 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:26,719 spaces like this. 1162 00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:31,859 It's beautiful, it's nice coworking 1163 00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:33,299 space, maybe if there were people there 1164 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,789 doing stuff, but 1165 00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:37,769 it's not hackerspace. 1166 00:40:37,770 --> 00:40:39,779 But here's the one in China, Shanghai 1167 00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:41,430 University Tadeu 1168 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,639 that I helped form. 1169 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,369 Here's Shinkai again in Shanghai, 1170 00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:50,239 Beijing, Taiwan. 1171 00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:53,789 This one is mostly for education 1172 00:40:53,790 --> 00:40:54,900 for little kids. 1173 00:40:55,950 --> 00:40:59,099 This one, they have one in a school. 1174 00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:00,689 This one is just way cool. 1175 00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:02,400 Community space in Shenzhen. 1176 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,939 I've been helping Tsinghua University 1177 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:07,769 with their hacker in residence program. 1178 00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:10,229 They want to have like 10 1179 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:12,629 or so hackers all the time. 1180 00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:14,699 And I want this to spread everywhere. 1181 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:17,279 And I've been helping people do that. 1182 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,259 This is a silly poster we created for the 1183 00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:21,479 kick off of it a couple of years ago. 1184 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,069 But yeah, there's opportunities out 1185 00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:25,139 there. We have a temporary page 1186 00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:26,280 on hacker 1187 00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:30,449 hacker spaces, dog 1188 00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:32,189 full of all these places where you can 1189 00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:34,409 just go and 1190 00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:35,909 share what you know and learn from other 1191 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:38,249 people and take it somewhere else. 1192 00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:39,839 I want to be able to do this all year 1193 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,829 round. 1194 00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:42,899 So I'm working on a 1195 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:44,849 website called Hacker in Residence dot 1196 00:41:44,850 --> 00:41:47,249 org, and it's 1197 00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:48,989 hard to get volunteers to follow through 1198 00:41:48,990 --> 00:41:50,129 on things. I've been trying to make it 1199 00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:52,109 happen for a couple of years, but in any 1200 00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:54,329 case, soon, hopefully 1201 00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:56,039 in the next few months, that'll be up so 1202 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,169 you can browse through residency 1203 00:41:58,170 --> 00:41:59,719 opportunities if you want to. 1204 00:42:01,050 --> 00:42:03,119 But Hacker Spaces Dog also is 1205 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,189 a place where you can get resources to 1206 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:06,509 start your own hacker space. 1207 00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:08,429 And we all help each other even though 1208 00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:09,810 we're totally different. 1209 00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:13,589 So I 1210 00:42:13,590 --> 00:42:15,719 could go on, but I think I'd rather 1211 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:20,039 open it up for Q&A 1212 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,470 rather than rant more. 1213 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,270 So let me just go to 1214 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,280 the. 1215 00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:32,239 Last slide, opportunities for all 1216 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,889 actresses are awesome, so, 1217 00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:38,359 you know, that's really why I do all I do 1218 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,699 is to help encourage people to 1219 00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,769 explore and do what they might 1220 00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:44,249 find meaningful to do in their lives. 1221 00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:46,729 We live on a planet where 1222 00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:48,859 I think a vast majority don't feel 1223 00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:50,469 their lives are way worthwhile. 1224 00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:53,439 And I don't think that's OK. 1225 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,059 I think that's the cause of pretty much 1226 00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:57,159 all the problems we face when we have 1227 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,780 a lot of people in a 1228 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,619 society where people feel 1229 00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:04,569 their lives aren't worthwhile. 1230 00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:06,759 Collectively, we're all very much 1231 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,829 easily manipulated and we 1232 00:43:08,830 --> 00:43:10,149 get people like this to lead our 1233 00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:11,150 countries. 1234 00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:14,549 But if we come together and share our 1235 00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:16,649 resources, we can do 1236 00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:18,599 so much, we don't have to wait for the 1237 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,569 government to do cool things for us. 1238 00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:22,709 And in fact, if we wait for the 1239 00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:24,059 governments to do cool things for us, 1240 00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:25,230 we're just all going to be dead. 1241 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:28,559 Nothing wrong with being dead, but while 1242 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,049 we're alive, we can do cool shit. 1243 00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:32,280 So let's do a cool shit. 1244 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,489 Well, thank you very much, Mitch, for 1245 00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:46,789 your inspirational talk, we have like 15 1246 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:47,929 minutes left for Q&A. 1247 00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:50,119 So if there is anything you always 1248 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,869 wanted to ask Mitch, 1249 00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:54,559 do you have now the possibility we have 1250 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,109 microphones here throughout the room 1251 00:43:57,110 --> 00:43:58,459 while we wait for people to get the 1252 00:43:58,460 --> 00:44:00,019 courage to move the microphones? 1253 00:44:00,020 --> 00:44:01,549 We have one question from the Internet 1254 00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:02,630 that we've got to start with. 1255 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,389 There's a question from Iasi and the 1256 00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:07,519 question is, can hackerspace be viewed 1257 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,349 as a force for democracy and increased 1258 00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:10,730 transparency in China? 1259 00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:14,229 I hope so. 1260 00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:15,949 Um, there's no way to know. 1261 00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:17,719 I mean, the government of China, it's 1262 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,789 been really exciting being going to China 1263 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:21,979 every year. I go there every 1264 00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:24,319 year for a month or two since 1265 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,849 two thousand three. 1266 00:44:25,850 --> 00:44:28,759 And I have my own unique 1267 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,619 perspectives on China. 1268 00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:32,809 Um, they're not necessarily correct, 1269 00:44:32,810 --> 00:44:35,179 but it's been exciting being there 1270 00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:37,909 and seeing it open up in amazing ways. 1271 00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:39,379 If you get your information about China 1272 00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:41,689 from mainstream media, it's wrong. 1273 00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:43,729 It's absolutely wrong impression of what 1274 00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:45,049 you get. 1275 00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:46,519 Some things are certainly correct. 1276 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,959 I mean, it's a huge centralized 1277 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,359 government and I'm not a fan of those 1278 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,499 in any form. 1279 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:53,659 Uh, they do some terrible things. 1280 00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:55,819 I really see it very similar to 1281 00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:57,619 my own government, which I'm not a huge 1282 00:44:57,620 --> 00:44:59,479 fan of either. 1283 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,769 But, you know, it's home. 1284 00:45:00,770 --> 00:45:02,899 Uh, China is a place I go to a lot. 1285 00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,059 In some ways, it's sort of a home to as 1286 00:45:05,060 --> 00:45:07,219 is here in Germany, 1287 00:45:07,220 --> 00:45:08,959 mostly in Berlin. 1288 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,149 Um, but, uh, for 1289 00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:13,489 the last ten years 1290 00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:15,649 there, society from the top down 1291 00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:17,509 has been encouraged to open up where 1292 00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:19,429 bureaucrats for the first time ever in 1293 00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:21,529 two and a half millennia of history, 1294 00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:23,599 they're bureaucrats have been encouraged 1295 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,789 to experiment, to try things, 1296 00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:27,889 to help people live lives that they find 1297 00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:29,329 more worthwhile. 1298 00:45:29,330 --> 00:45:31,549 And there are bureaucrats in high levels 1299 00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:33,139 talking in that kind of language. 1300 00:45:33,140 --> 00:45:34,729 It's kind of amazing. 1301 00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:37,249 Um, and so from twenty 1302 00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:38,869 three, when I really didn't like going to 1303 00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:40,999 China at all, which is very close 1304 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,249 to 2011, 2012, 1305 00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:45,559 it's been opening up like crazy and 1306 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,509 uh, 2013, 2014. 1307 00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:49,819 But then the last two years 1308 00:45:49,820 --> 00:45:51,739 they've been going in the wrong direction 1309 00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:53,989 again. So hopefully 1310 00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:55,609 with hacker spaces opening up where 1311 00:45:55,610 --> 00:45:57,469 people are encouraged to explore and do 1312 00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:59,659 things that are really interesting, 1313 00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:01,819 some of them, some people in some of them 1314 00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:04,039 will be, uh, doing 1315 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,809 things to make their lives and the lives 1316 00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:08,029 of those around them much better. 1317 00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:10,459 And, um, we'll see 1318 00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:12,289 at any moment things could change really 1319 00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:14,299 quickly in China at any moment. 1320 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:16,249 Things can change really quickly in my 1321 00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:17,149 country. 1322 00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:19,279 And it seems that when that happens, the 1323 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,019 rest of the world follows. 1324 00:46:21,020 --> 00:46:22,820 And I hope that pattern changes. 1325 00:46:24,110 --> 00:46:25,489 Thank you so much. Next question from 1326 00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:26,490 this microphone. 1327 00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:30,159 Uh, you mentioned thirty 1328 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,019 three three and I actually really 1329 00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:34,699 remember quite well. 1330 00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:35,779 Thirty 3C. 1331 00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:38,119 I mean, it was the one 1332 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,339 where all the Snowden stuff 1333 00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:42,109 went down on us. 1334 00:46:42,110 --> 00:46:44,599 And I really 1335 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,669 remember quite well 1336 00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:48,979 what kind of effect it had on me. 1337 00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:51,139 And I think that I'm also kind 1338 00:46:51,140 --> 00:46:52,910 of more of the introverted guy. 1339 00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:56,569 I got also all 1340 00:46:56,570 --> 00:46:58,939 these feelings of all the people around 1341 00:46:58,940 --> 00:47:01,729 me and recognized how, 1342 00:47:01,730 --> 00:47:03,859 yeah, kind of depressing the 1343 00:47:03,860 --> 00:47:04,819 situation was. 1344 00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:07,160 So all these talks and 1345 00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:10,459 the only thing you could do 1346 00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:12,589 was the only thing you 1347 00:47:12,590 --> 00:47:14,959 could think about was, well, I'm 1348 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,149 this one person and there 1349 00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:19,639 are these huge organizations 1350 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,129 with a lot of resources and 1351 00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:23,359 I can't do anything. 1352 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,509 So what 1353 00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:28,909 I experience with hacker spaces 1354 00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:31,409 is at least that there 1355 00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:33,859 is some kind of protected 1356 00:47:33,860 --> 00:47:35,959 space where you can get around 1357 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,149 that feeling and can 1358 00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:40,279 experience that you can do something. 1359 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,619 But for me, I 1360 00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:44,959 would like to pose the question to you. 1361 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,929 How do you think can we 1362 00:47:47,930 --> 00:47:50,449 break this cycle of 1363 00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:52,699 actually seeing ourselves only 1364 00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:55,250 as individualized people 1365 00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:57,499 with this perspective? 1366 00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,689 Hey, there are huge organizations 1367 00:47:59,690 --> 00:48:02,359 doing crazy things all around us, 1368 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,909 and I'm only this one person 1369 00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:07,099 alone. I can't do anything. 1370 00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:09,019 So how do we break the cycle? 1371 00:48:09,020 --> 00:48:11,089 Maybe with stuff 1372 00:48:11,090 --> 00:48:13,789 youth you've seen all over the world. 1373 00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:16,159 I mean, you traveled so many interesting 1374 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,229 places. I'm really envious 1375 00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:19,279 about that. 1376 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,709 Kind of it's it's great 1377 00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:23,029 and it's great that you share your 1378 00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:25,099 experiences, but maybe 1379 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:27,529 you have an idea how we can get 1380 00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:30,319 out of this situation, 1381 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,659 out of this passiveness which I really 1382 00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:34,909 experienced and recognized in 1383 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:37,369 a massive amount and on 1384 00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:39,139 very pressie. 1385 00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:41,289 It was the reason I didn't visit. 1386 00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:43,539 Next, Congress after that, 1387 00:48:43,540 --> 00:48:45,549 so right. 1388 00:48:45,550 --> 00:48:47,709 Well, I think reframing that 1389 00:48:47,710 --> 00:48:50,859 might be more beneficial, 1390 00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:52,629 reframing the question. 1391 00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:54,969 I don't know if we can change 1392 00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:56,529 all of that. 1393 00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:58,479 Not all that many decades ago, there were 1394 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,789 a few people who kind of took 1395 00:49:00,790 --> 00:49:03,069 over the German government. 1396 00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:05,259 And once they got it to 1397 00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:07,119 a certain point, there was really nothing 1398 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,380 that could be done except 1399 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,449 have it play out. 1400 00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:12,579 I think what could anyone have done 1401 00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:14,709 at that point if people could have 1402 00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:16,209 seen where this was heading? 1403 00:49:16,210 --> 00:49:17,499 Maybe there are things they could have 1404 00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:18,849 done earlier. 1405 00:49:18,850 --> 00:49:20,679 And I think we're in a similar situation 1406 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,019 right now or at the beginning of 1407 00:49:23,020 --> 00:49:25,089 a lot of people actually openly 1408 00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:27,159 promoting fascism. 1409 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,899 And all the surveillance we're seeing 1410 00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:31,029 right now being paid for by our 1411 00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:33,279 tax money is just one 1412 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,929 symptom of that. 1413 00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:36,699 Those leaders that I showed you 1414 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,329 briefly are also symptoms 1415 00:49:40,330 --> 00:49:41,330 of that. 1416 00:49:42,550 --> 00:49:45,129 So, again, if we wait for our governments 1417 00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:47,379 to do something cool, it's not we're 1418 00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:49,809 going to be dead before it happens. 1419 00:49:49,810 --> 00:49:51,909 But we can have a 1420 00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:54,009 lot of control over 1421 00:49:54,010 --> 00:49:56,229 what we choose to do with our time and 1422 00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:57,849 who we do it with. 1423 00:49:57,850 --> 00:50:00,069 So if we collect together with people who 1424 00:50:00,070 --> 00:50:02,439 have a common vision for making 1425 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,059 our lives and the lives of those around 1426 00:50:04,060 --> 00:50:05,289 us better. 1427 00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:06,369 We can do that. 1428 00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:08,769 Doesn't have to be against 1429 00:50:08,770 --> 00:50:10,929 any other people, even 1430 00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:12,309 if they're doing deplorable things. 1431 00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:14,349 I mean, you can it's totally up to you 1432 00:50:14,350 --> 00:50:15,969 what you want to do with your time. 1433 00:50:15,970 --> 00:50:17,769 And I'm actually glad there are people 1434 00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:20,019 who are taking their time to work 1435 00:50:20,020 --> 00:50:21,819 against these things, to slow that stuff 1436 00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:24,039 down as best they can, and 1437 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,679 especially since it shows everyone 1438 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,779 that they're not alone in being 1439 00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:29,949 against that stuff. 1440 00:50:29,950 --> 00:50:32,019 But if we create something positive 1441 00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:34,149 over here and have 1442 00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:36,399 that be so cool that other people tend 1443 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,400 to join us, 1444 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,569 then it doesn't matter as much what's 1445 00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:42,579 going on over there unless they get in 1446 00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:44,469 the way of us doing, for doing, and then 1447 00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:46,480 we can go over there and try it again. 1448 00:50:47,530 --> 00:50:50,079 But no matter how fascist anything 1449 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,059 gets, there are always going to be niches 1450 00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:54,219 within which we can do things that we 1451 00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:56,379 believe are way cool. 1452 00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:58,629 And as things continue 1453 00:50:58,630 --> 00:51:00,579 to decay and our great leaders are 1454 00:51:00,580 --> 00:51:02,949 finding fantastic creative ways 1455 00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:04,540 of helping it decay faster, 1456 00:51:05,650 --> 00:51:07,959 people are going to need to key into 1457 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,639 what we create. 1458 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,499 It's up to us to create the groundwork 1459 00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:13,329 for what's to come. 1460 00:51:13,330 --> 00:51:15,759 And I think that's what we've been doing. 1461 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,979 By just having this every year, 1462 00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:19,749 it inspires us to go out into the world 1463 00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:21,699 and do cool stuff. 1464 00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:23,409 And so much school stuff has come from 1465 00:51:23,410 --> 00:51:25,029 that and other people can join us. 1466 00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:26,469 I mean, this whole thing, it's sold out 1467 00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:28,269 in minutes because so many people want to 1468 00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:29,709 be part of all of this. 1469 00:51:29,710 --> 00:51:31,929 I see. That is incredibly positive. 1470 00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:33,529 And we need more. 1471 00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:35,529 I mean, right now there's like thirty 1472 00:51:35,530 --> 00:51:36,699 five hundred hacker spaces. 1473 00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:38,049 We need millions. 1474 00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:39,309 And that's just hackers phases. 1475 00:51:39,310 --> 00:51:40,599 We need a whole bunch of other people 1476 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,549 forming other communities and we can all 1477 00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:45,339 help each other wherever it makes sense. 1478 00:51:45,340 --> 00:51:46,569 And that just grows. 1479 00:51:46,570 --> 00:51:48,699 So and regardless of what the 1480 00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:51,579 outcome is, each of us 1481 00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:53,649 doing what we feel is best 1482 00:51:53,650 --> 00:51:55,719 daily in our lives, usually 1483 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:56,720 in our lives, 1484 00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:00,009 gives each of us meaning in our own 1485 00:52:00,010 --> 00:52:02,079 lives, which 1486 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,839 can, by example, help other people. 1487 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,339 Thank you. Next question will be from the 1488 00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:07,340 Internet again. 1489 00:52:08,070 --> 00:52:10,169 Um, so I was very interested 1490 00:52:10,170 --> 00:52:12,059 in the hacker spaces around the world, 1491 00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:13,769 and they wanted to know about where they 1492 00:52:13,770 --> 00:52:15,869 can name several cultural 1493 00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:17,459 differences that are in different 1494 00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:19,529 countries and different spaces 1495 00:52:19,530 --> 00:52:21,659 and also, uh, kind of elaborate on 1496 00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:24,029 the, um, grade of government involvement 1497 00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:25,469 in countries other than the United 1498 00:52:25,470 --> 00:52:26,309 States. 1499 00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:28,559 And they would like to know some cool 1500 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,899 projects from hacker spaces in Africa, 1501 00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,059 Eastern Europe or the Middle East. 1502 00:52:33,060 --> 00:52:34,139 Right. 1503 00:52:34,140 --> 00:52:35,140 Um. 1504 00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:38,359 Hackerspace is a much more similarities 1505 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,879 than differences in my experience, but 1506 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,519 the one thing that is culturally 1507 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,619 different is regardless of where it is, 1508 00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:47,959 whether it's the US or Europe 1509 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,630 or China or Africa 1510 00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:54,169 is in places which have 1511 00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:55,699 economically depressed, 1512 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,599 where they're economically depressed, 1513 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,509 people are being encouraged 1514 00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:04,219 to be entrepreneurial, especially right 1515 00:53:04,220 --> 00:53:06,649 now where we're in a pretty amazing 1516 00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:07,759 tech bubble. 1517 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,249 And so the government 1518 00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:12,259 is pushing this. 1519 00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:14,089 And then there are venture capitalists, 1520 00:53:14,090 --> 00:53:16,009 which people where I come from, call them 1521 00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:17,989 vulture capitalist, are putting a whole 1522 00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:19,969 bunch of money into this, wanting the 1523 00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:21,889 next Apple and the next Google to grow 1524 00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:23,479 from this. And they're creating those 1525 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,669 empty spaces like I showed you. 1526 00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:27,739 And people are obsessed with making 1527 00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:29,869 money. And it's just not going to happen 1528 00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:32,479 if you don't create that creative 1529 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,759 environment with community to start 1530 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,919 from where cool ideas grow 1531 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,329 from, nothing's going to happen. 1532 00:53:38,330 --> 00:53:40,489 So that's when that's. 1533 00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:42,559 But people actually want that 1534 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,329 to happen. So that's why they're inviting 1535 00:53:44,330 --> 00:53:45,889 me and other people to give talks about 1536 00:53:45,890 --> 00:53:47,659 this to help them do that. 1537 00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:50,239 So there are a lot of cool projects 1538 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,009 that are growing from this. 1539 00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:54,409 And when you have people 1540 00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:56,479 in a local area doing things they 1541 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,829 think are cool, there are things that are 1542 00:53:57,830 --> 00:53:59,900 cool for the people there, 1543 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,129 whether it's, you know, 1544 00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:05,719 a whole bunch of people making more 3D 1545 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,669 printers or drones, which are super 1546 00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:09,799 popular, or VR, which is being 1547 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,019 pushed now, or Internet of Things, 1548 00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:13,999 which is being pushed now, you know, like 1549 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,229 people are doing it because they think 1550 00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:17,449 it's cool. So for me, I don't really 1551 00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:19,609 care what the project 1552 00:54:19,610 --> 00:54:21,769 is. For me, the main thing is it's 1553 00:54:21,770 --> 00:54:23,989 people working on things that they think 1554 00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:26,539 are way cool and meaningful for them. 1555 00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:28,659 And I see that happening everywhere. 1556 00:54:30,910 --> 00:54:32,139 Thank you. Next question from this 1557 00:54:32,140 --> 00:54:33,140 microphone. 1558 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,829 I think you already touched on this right 1559 00:54:35,830 --> 00:54:38,049 now, but you said that 1560 00:54:38,050 --> 00:54:40,239 in China they want to create 1561 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:43,119 a new Silicon Valley and 1562 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,029 that you thought it wouldn't happen. 1563 00:54:46,030 --> 00:54:48,039 Maybe. Can you elaborate why you think 1564 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:48,909 that? 1565 00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:51,189 Yeah. So it's 1566 00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:52,389 not going to be another Silicon Valley. 1567 00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:55,089 I'm in Silicon Valley didn't 1568 00:54:55,090 --> 00:54:56,769 Silicon Valley wasn't created. 1569 00:54:56,770 --> 00:54:57,789 It happened. 1570 00:54:57,790 --> 00:54:59,349 There are a whole bunch of I mean, what 1571 00:54:59,350 --> 00:55:01,689 why did Silicon Valley happen there? 1572 00:55:01,690 --> 00:55:03,439 Why didn't it happen here in Hamburg? 1573 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,919 Why didn't it happen in Omaha, Nebraska? 1574 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,149 It happened there because there are a 1575 00:55:07,150 --> 00:55:08,979 whole bunch of fucking weirdos from all 1576 00:55:08,980 --> 00:55:10,449 over the United States in the world who 1577 00:55:10,450 --> 00:55:12,849 collected in San Francisco, because 1578 00:55:12,850 --> 00:55:14,349 it's been a place where that has been 1579 00:55:14,350 --> 00:55:16,209 happening for a long time since its 1580 00:55:16,210 --> 00:55:18,369 inception and the gold rush. 1581 00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:20,409 And there are a whole bunch of 1582 00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:22,629 introverted geeks who thought computers 1583 00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:25,059 were cool. And back in the 70s, computers 1584 00:55:25,060 --> 00:55:27,279 were huge things that were expensive. 1585 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,889 But that technology was becoming 1586 00:55:29,890 --> 00:55:31,779 inexpensive and small enough that these 1587 00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:33,789 few geeks thought they could make ones 1588 00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:35,079 they could use at home. 1589 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,429 And they couldn't do it alone. 1590 00:55:36,430 --> 00:55:37,899 But collectively, they could. 1591 00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:39,339 They formed a community called the 1592 00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:41,169 Homebrew Computer Club. 1593 00:55:41,170 --> 00:55:43,479 And and together 1594 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,219 they created this. And one of them is now 1595 00:55:45,220 --> 00:55:47,319 the largest capitalized company 1596 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,399 in the world. And they're totally 1597 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,679 horrible. But still, stuff grew 1598 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,330 from that. Some good, some bad. 1599 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,719 You can't copy that. 1600 00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:58,839 But what you can do is create 1601 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,099 and this is what's happening. 1602 00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,289 A lot of places create 1603 00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:04,149 a creative environment. 1604 00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:05,919 Hacker spaces are a big part of that. 1605 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,239 Education is part of that. 1606 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:08,349 Of course, hacker space is going to be 1607 00:56:08,350 --> 00:56:09,399 part of that. 1608 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,709 And from there, people can create things 1609 00:56:11,710 --> 00:56:14,019 that are cool for them, which means 1610 00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:16,569 that it's cool for their local 1611 00:56:16,570 --> 00:56:18,759 community, which means that there 1612 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,069 are people in that area who might 1613 00:56:21,070 --> 00:56:23,499 want to pay those people to do those 1614 00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:26,049 interesting, actually truly innovative 1615 00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:28,119 things and not innovation as a buzzword. 1616 00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:30,819 So but to do that, they actually have to 1617 00:56:30,820 --> 00:56:33,549 create a space. 1618 00:56:33,550 --> 00:56:35,229 You know, there's resources coming from 1619 00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:37,599 the top down, from government, 1620 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,639 local government, state government, 1621 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,069 municipal, federal government, 1622 00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:44,399 whatever, national government, if that 1623 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,839 if those resources get into the hands of 1624 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,519 people who can form community from the 1625 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,649 bottom up, then it can be totally 1626 00:56:50,650 --> 00:56:52,449 successful. And it has been. 1627 00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:53,949 And lots of examples. 1628 00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:57,189 Thank you. Yet another question from the 1629 00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:58,190 Internet. 1630 00:56:58,730 --> 00:57:00,939 OK, the question is, in the same way 1631 00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:02,739 the Internet was taken from a military 1632 00:57:02,740 --> 00:57:04,899 idea to our own use, could you envision 1633 00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:06,699 taking the TARP money and ensure 1634 00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:08,679 hackerspace is built more positive things 1635 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,449 that cannot be manipulated to turn 1636 00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:11,450 negative? 1637 00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:13,989 Sure, but in the same time, you're 1638 00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:16,179 helping the US military, if 1639 00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:18,309 that's what you want to do, cool, go for 1640 00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:19,719 it. That's not what I want to do. 1641 00:57:21,490 --> 00:57:23,529 Short answer, next question from this 1642 00:57:23,530 --> 00:57:25,139 microphone and which 1643 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,089 you look really happy. 1644 00:57:28,090 --> 00:57:29,289 How do you manage it? 1645 00:57:29,290 --> 00:57:31,359 And the second question, Duplin, 1646 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,360 to come to Russia. 1647 00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:35,619 I was in Russia in 1973 when 1648 00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:37,689 Brezhnev was still there 1649 00:57:37,690 --> 00:57:39,369 with my parents. They came you had to 1650 00:57:39,370 --> 00:57:40,359 have an excuse then. 1651 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:41,829 And my father was an architect. 1652 00:57:41,830 --> 00:57:43,689 So we got a bunch of architects to get 1653 00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:44,889 together and say, we're going to look at 1654 00:57:44,890 --> 00:57:46,839 architecture in in Russia. 1655 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,209 And we did. And it was way cool. 1656 00:57:49,210 --> 00:57:50,739 Russia's probably a little different now. 1657 00:57:52,090 --> 00:57:53,980 I would love to go there, invite me 1658 00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:56,709 so. And happy. 1659 00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:59,109 I'm happy because 1660 00:57:59,110 --> 00:58:00,669 I do what I love. 1661 00:58:00,670 --> 00:58:02,889 I made time to explore and 1662 00:58:02,890 --> 00:58:04,209 do what I love. And it took years and 1663 00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:05,829 years and years. But I eventually learned 1664 00:58:05,830 --> 00:58:07,929 to live a life I love living. 1665 00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:10,029 And if I can do that, you know, 1666 00:58:10,030 --> 00:58:12,189 pretty much anyone can, I think takes 1667 00:58:12,190 --> 00:58:13,779 a lot of luck. And it takes definitely 1668 00:58:13,780 --> 00:58:16,899 support from people at the right times. 1669 00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:19,389 There's no guarantees there either. 1670 00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:21,249 Definitely guarantee it won't happen if 1671 00:58:21,250 --> 00:58:22,250 you don't try, though. 1672 00:58:23,770 --> 00:58:24,939 Thank you. Next question from that 1673 00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:25,940 microphone. 1674 00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:28,389 I just wanted to respond to something you 1675 00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:30,639 just said in your answer about 1676 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:31,959 fascism happened over there. 1677 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,669 And we do our cool stuff over here. 1678 00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:35,709 And I have a moral objection to this. 1679 00:58:35,710 --> 00:58:37,719 And I think that's a position that comes 1680 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:38,919 from a place of privilege. 1681 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,049 As a white man, I could just say I'm 1682 00:58:41,050 --> 00:58:42,759 going to let the fascism happen to other 1683 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,019 people and I'm not going to do anything 1684 00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:45,969 about it. And actually, you know, you 1685 00:58:45,970 --> 00:58:47,499 said that we can carry on doing that 1686 00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:49,809 until the fascists try to stop us. 1687 00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:52,119 But I think the moral imperative is on us 1688 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,189 to stop the fascists from doing their 1689 00:58:54,190 --> 00:58:55,179 thing. 1690 00:58:55,180 --> 00:58:57,369 And if we don't do that, eventually 1691 00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:58,599 they'll come for us as well. 1692 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,879 So I guess my question to you is, what 1693 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,979 will you do when the fascists come to 1694 00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:04,389 the hacker spaces? 1695 00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:06,099 Oh, yeah, I didn't mean to imply to let 1696 00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:08,229 them do what they do, but 1697 00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:09,669 I think it's really, really important 1698 00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:12,069 that we do stuff in the niches 1699 00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:14,049 to create something positive so that more 1700 00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:15,549 and more people can come. 1701 00:59:15,550 --> 00:59:17,529 Because if it's just an individual here, 1702 00:59:17,530 --> 00:59:19,929 an individual here, an individual here, 1703 00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:22,449 there's no way that we have any kind 1704 00:59:22,450 --> 00:59:25,089 of energy to stop the fascism 1705 00:59:25,090 --> 00:59:26,539 that we see happening. 1706 00:59:26,540 --> 00:59:28,149 I didn't mean to give the impression that 1707 00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:29,349 we should let it happen. 1708 00:59:31,570 --> 00:59:33,699 You know, when 1709 00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:35,619 Trump was elected, I was out of my 1710 00:59:35,620 --> 00:59:37,809 country and I knew 1711 00:59:37,810 --> 00:59:40,129 it was going to happen because I was in 1712 00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:42,309 UK in March and April and saw 1713 00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:43,929 them turn on a hate machine in order to 1714 00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:45,789 get an election to go their way. 1715 00:59:45,790 --> 00:59:47,379 And the same thing, exact thing was 1716 00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:49,449 happening in my country. 1717 00:59:49,450 --> 00:59:51,159 They turned down a hate machine decades 1718 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,929 ago against Clinton and there was no way 1719 00:59:52,930 --> 00:59:54,159 they were going to turn that off. 1720 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,379 And this guy played that really well 1721 00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:58,179 and he actually studied the speeches of 1722 00:59:58,180 --> 00:59:59,349 Adolf Hitler. 1723 00:59:59,350 --> 01:00:00,909 Who's this guy that some of you may have 1724 01:00:00,910 --> 01:00:01,910 heard of? And 1725 01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:05,289 he's really, really good at it. 1726 01:00:05,290 --> 01:00:07,509 He plays an idiot, but he's he's he's 1727 01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:09,879 he's a moron, maybe, but he's not 1728 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,759 unintelligent. He knows what he's doing. 1729 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,530 And, um, yeah. 1730 01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:17,739 Once he was elected the day 1731 01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:20,139 after hate crimes 1732 01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:22,449 went skyrocketing upwards in the United 1733 01:00:22,450 --> 01:00:23,439 States. 1734 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,569 And not just crimes, criminal 1735 01:00:25,570 --> 01:00:27,669 activity, but public bullying 1736 01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:30,039 of people for being not their 1737 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,979 conception of white and straight 1738 01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:35,139 was going up even in San Francisco, which 1739 01:00:35,140 --> 01:00:37,059 has a reputation of being the weirdo 1740 01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:38,229 place. 1741 01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:40,419 I personally experienced being on 1742 01:00:40,420 --> 01:00:42,759 a city bus when some guy 1743 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,919 who wasn't like some guy who looked 1744 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,079 deranged, it just looks 1745 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,179 he's just some white guy, middle 1746 01:00:49,180 --> 01:00:50,079 class white guy. 1747 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,329 And he just stood up proudly 1748 01:00:52,330 --> 01:00:54,789 proclaiming that this is a heterosexual 1749 01:00:54,790 --> 01:00:55,790 white city. 1750 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,819 And this was on a bus full of everyone 1751 01:01:01,820 --> 01:01:04,039 but heterosexual white people 1752 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,379 and myself included, 1753 01:01:06,380 --> 01:01:08,689 and so 1754 01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:10,279 instantly people started telling him to 1755 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,649 shut the fuck up, which I was 1756 01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:15,019 really happy for and angry 1757 01:01:15,020 --> 01:01:16,300 about as well. 1758 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,549 We have to stop this every 1759 01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:20,689 chance we get. 1760 01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:23,119 If we don't do this at these stages, 1761 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,339 it's over and it doesn't 1762 01:01:25,340 --> 01:01:28,159 matter what we do. But regardless, 1763 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,349 whatever happens in our governments, we 1764 01:01:30,350 --> 01:01:32,599 need to come together and do cool 1765 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,419 stuff for ourselves and those around us. 1766 01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:37,879 And that can grow 1767 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:38,880 or not. 1768 01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:41,639 But we still have to do that because it's 1769 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,739 the right thing to do and it's the only 1770 01:01:43,740 --> 01:01:47,069 thing that feels worthwhile. 1771 01:01:47,070 --> 01:01:48,449 Thank you so much, Mitch. 1772 01:01:48,450 --> 01:01:50,219 We have come to the end of our time slot 1773 01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:51,629 and we have also come to the end of our 1774 01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:53,279 discussion. Please give another one round 1775 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,179 of applause for Mitch. 1776 01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:55,180 Thank you so much.