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so for our next speakers I'm uh very
happy to welcome kolene M and Sun uh
they will um both uh present to us uh
what they experienced and how they
hacked and tackled the
Korean demilitarized zone to the zone
between North and South Korea um
carolene is a Franco Korean
Anthropologist and an artist who
graduated from uh Chelsea College of
Arts in London and ehas in Paris and
soon is a Korean artist who graduated
from art school um and sub uh in 2006 so
I'm very happy to welcome you and uh we
are now very eager to hear you
talk thank you very much and thank you
for joining us my name is Kine I'm
speaking to you from Paris right now and
S is speaking to you from SE so we are
very happy to give to give you this talk
about the DM SE so our topic is about
the DMZ but in artistic way and for that
we want to give you an Insight of the
Korean culture right now so that's why
uh s will uh give you some information
about what's happening in
Korea so I'm an anthropologist and I'm
an artist so meaning that I study people
and the way they live and I try to
understand why they think the way they
think why they act the way they act
as an artist I try to express my vision
through different artistic medium and
through
creativity so I started to work on the
DMC in
2012 and in
2013 I had the chance to to paint the
Bellin wall and um so I did that during
the night so that was very quick and
what I wanted to represent it was the uh
the fact that Korea and Germany have a
similar history especially after World
War II and during Cold War so on the
wall I painted two faces those two faces
a Korean mask and those mask were used
during popular
theater and the popular Korean theater
was a criticism of the ruling and
governing
class so uh on the next slide you can
see me painting the worldall during the
night and there were two kids like
looking at it and they were saying oh
the faces you're painting it's Anonymous
and I was like no it's not Anonymous
those are Korean masks then the next day
in the morning I went to see if my
graphity was still on the wall and it
was still on the wall and I was very
happy to see that people people were
taking picture of it so well this is uh
this was my vision of uh DMC at the time
like almost a decade ago so s can you
tell us um about you and about your work
as an
artist okay thank
you uh hi guys uh I'm soon I'm a visor
artist and I'm living mostly in Soul and
uh in my artwork I've been uh
concentrating on collecting datas and uh
for example um as you can see here um
I've uh uh I've grown up a plant and I
collected databas data through sensors
and the data goes into computer uh to
make uh uh in a 3D shaped uh uh
sculpture and I print them out and I um
stick them together and made this uh uh
kind of uh sculpture u in digital in
digital way so uh basically uh that's
what I'm doing and uh in my uh work I've
have been uh applicating uh many uh kind
of different kind of uh techniques uh
such as robotic movement you can uh hear
you can see here the the body movement
of audience can control the robotic
scripture for example or uh and some
performance performer use um the robotic
uh sculpture as a as a some uh
tool and also some intractive animation
mapping technique uh that I'm using and
the audience can uh enjoy uh the uh the
animation of the uh of by the the motion
of the audience
so and so like
this and also uh I've been uh uh ex
experimenting uh some uh interesting
animation and uh you can we can uh enjoy
that with some Google so in so in VR uh
mode and also uh been uh practicing some
live performance with uh inter
interactive audio visual so which means
there's some performer making uh some
sound and sound uh effect sound uh sound
control or U make changes of the
animation on the
world so um my project my uh called with
a title promet string the the image you
can you see is the recent version and
you can find more details on my uh
website or you can ask some question
through my uh email or even uh uh
through this uh link you can uh check uh
documentation
video thank
you thank you so about hacking the DMC
yeah so about hacking the DMC for people
who work in information security or
cyber security you might know the sub
Network to protect your internal Network
however I'm not going into technical
details about that but I will explain
what inspired this sub Network so what
inspired the sub network was the border
between the two careas
so the DMZ the Dem militaris Zone was
built in
1953 after the Korean War as you can see
on the map it's a border and it's the
length is 250 kilom and it's 4 kilometer
wide um in at the border there is this
place called
panon and and is a joint security area
where all the officials negotiations
take place the official negotiation
between North Korea South Korea the
United States and the United
Nation so when you visit the place you
can see many flags so at the north of
the Border you can see the North Korean
flags and at the South of the Border you
can see the South Korean the United
Nation and the American flag so it's a
very International place and because it
was built after an international
conflict so about the DMZ
history this was a battlefield so this
was a battlefield between the Communist
in the North and
the the capitalist in the South and from
the archive from the audio visual
archive I found I decided to make some
paintings just to express my feelings
about this uh this atrocious place you
know so um I used Chinese ink and I just
drew what I felt about what I saw and
what I experienced when I visited the
place in
2012 so it's a it's a sad place I mean
it was a sad place but but um now it
just became something different and uh
what is the TMZ now son can you show us
the the slide so the DMZ is more like
Disneyland yes and it's the it's what I
call the military turn into Disneyland
so you can take pictures with soldiers
like South Korean
soldiers and you can buy some North
Korean wine if you want if you want to
visit that place you need a guide and
all the guys tell the same thing if you
visit it if you visit the place from
South Korea so you will hear a lot of
propaganda against North Korea if you
visit the place from North Korea you
will hear a lot of propaganda against
South Korea and so um it's a bit
overwhelming you know to visit this
place because it comes from like a very
sad moment in Korean history and now it
turns into like a market where you can
buy you know some patch and uh and you
can buy many goodies about
TMZ so um the other thing which is very
interesting and which is known by the
scientific Community is that the DMZ is
now has grown its own unique
biodiversity between landmines because
you have to know that this border uh and
4 kilometers wide you have many
landmines and it's it's the no man's
land no one is crossing so um vegetation
plants and animals came to you know to
make their own home in this uh border so
you have Eagles you have deers and I
heard that you also have a Sian tiger
there so uh the scientific Community
come to observe the animals come to
absorve the plants and uh what the South
Korean government want they want to
preserve this place so they ask the UN
so the UNESCO to
um to label this place as you know like
world heritage but it's still in
negotiation right
now um what else so s about the
biodiversity uh I met an art uh has got
this project of an art
installation and both of us we would
like to make an art installation at the
TM set so we're calling all the artist
all the tech people who are interested
by this issue to join us and maybe we
will be able to make something beautiful
there because what do we want we want
peace in Korea peace is not I mean
there's the
Armistice and but the peace agreement is
not signed and what we will talk in this
presentation it's how you know it's
supervised by the US government uh so s
can you tell us more about the plant you
collected at the DMZ and your project
about
it okay uh Caroline um uh so um before I
talk about the uh uh project for DMZ I
I'd like to uh explain a little bit more
about the uh uh basic idea of my project
so um my project called promet string
project has this uh as you can see this
basic uh process so there's some data
collected from living creature and
there's this artistic concept of data
reflection which means for example
that's a sunlight and when the sunlight
pass through the pr through a prism it
makes this beautiful uh rainbow and I've
got this idea that if I can um uh change
um reflect reflect the uh the data as
numbers into the uh and pass through
this uh uh data reflection concept and
it it becomes a totally different visual
or even the sound or movement so that
was the basic idea of the
project and uh this is uh you can uh see
a little bit more detail about the uh
pretest string uh project so there's a
plan there was a with the plan that was
our first version and uh there's some
sensors connected sensor analog sensor
or temperature humidity UV sound some so
about the details about the uh the
environment of the uh plants growing
process and uh it uh makes it decide the
uh the sculptures shape size or position
some deta details and also the some the
altitude or longitude of the project
space can uh affect uh affect the
deformation of the sculpture and uh you
can see how it uh becomes in
shape and
these images are the images from uh
process so um on the left you can see
the serial numbers uh coming into
computer in real time and those numbers
decide the shape and in every 30 minutes
so I've got different shape every in
every 30 minutes and uh on the right on
top that's the image how the sensor or
computer see the uh plant and uh last
image is for preparation of 3D
printing and this project project prom
string project had some Evolution uh
because I uh I started this project uh
in
2016 so for four or or five now uh five
years uh I uh it the project reached
seventh version and during this uh uh
devel
Evolution I uh I've been applicating uh
various uh techniques such as robotic
movement audio visual performance
Etc and also I've been uh trying to uh
match with some social issue of my work
because uh what I want ed through my
work is not just some demonstration of
the of certain techniques or certain uh
scientific theory I wanted my artwork uh
reflects where I live or where I where
we
leave so uh on third version I've been
uh I've tried to make to match uh this
project with some
social issue so I was invited in uh in a
for an exhibition in kangju and hangu
was is a very uh important city for uh
its Uprising for democracy in 1980 so I
tried uh to uh talk about the uh uh so
some subject of this uh movement and my
work and also uh in
2018 I've got this idea of talking uh
about DMZ because um that it was just
right before the summit of two koreas
president so president from North Korea
and South Korea and uh so uh I decided
to uh make some pro project uh uh
concerning of this uh event so so I uh
I've got this the idea that uh that of
collecting the plant around DMZ and uh
make I use it uh for my uh
project so this image explain a little
bit more about uh how how I can finish
my uh uh project so you can see here DMZ
Zone and there's a p
that which Caroline explained so uh the
image is very small but you can still
see the two Korean president shaking
hands that happened in
2018 so um I make some uh I make my uh
work uh in Soul and uh it was 2018 I was
making uh my uh scripture and uh it uh
which is uh
it's 58 kilometers from pamam but on the
same direction to
North uh on the and on the same distance
there's some uh train station in North
Korea so I've got the idea this idea
that I can finish the uh my
project by installing uh my sculpture uh
around this train station but hopefully
but uh DMZ zone or getting get into DMZ
zone or into North Korea as a South
Korean still is uh impossible so
hopefully I'm hoping uh uh that uh that
I can one day I can install my work in
uh North Korea that uh that was a brief
explanation of my
project
so perhaps the best yes perhaps the best
place to uh to make your installation
would be the joint security area that
would be
socking yeah
hopefully
the so you talk about the trans station
at the DMZ there's a train station a
ghost train station that is not
functioning
anymore uh so in 2002 George Bush the
President George Bush came to visit that
train station
and he made a discourse which is very
famous because he said that North Korea
was the AIS of
evil so he didn't plan you know for the
reification or the peace agreement at
all uh however the TR station is very
strategic so right now like the North
Korea and South Korea are talking about
um making a railway between the two
countries so uh because what you have to
know is South Korea is like an island
you know it's totally isolated from um
the rest of Asia and uh you can only
access South Korea by plane or by boat
so what would be like the impact of
having a railway going from south to
North Korea s can you tell us about
it yeah so uh you see the image and the
picture there's the George Bush and uh
on the right side there's that's our
former president so um it was um it was
19 years ago and uh we were uh trying to
connect or reconnect this two Railway
now is cut but uh after the after 19
years so now we are in 2021 21st and
what happened during that time uh
honestly nothing because of the uh
political reason and uh uh so uh but uh
hopefully uh in recent condition of
politics in uh uh between two Korea we
are uh re beginning of talking about
this connection of two Railway but if it
happens in real here uh you can see on
the right side you can see the the on
the map uh from the even from the Europe
to the extereme Asia uh everything can
be connected by Train by uh on land and
uh uh even even we can transfer
everything we want and uh it cost much
cheaper and ecologically it uh it
consume very least
uh the fuel so uh it it it's a it's a
really U good not not just in political
reason but economical or ecological
reason this is this is a big uh event
this will be big
event
okay and um thank you can you show us
the next picture yes so imagine if if
all the Asian Railways were connected
that will be huge you know um so let's
talk now about some stereotypes and why
and how they are made you know I think
stereotypes Western stereotypes of uh
South Korea and North Korea uh it's
because you know of the press the
Western press and also we always
hear uh things from you know the us
Viewpoint
so I guess there are some truth behind
stereotypes but today we're here to
explain more what's behind those
internet meme for example so we know
that there are some hackers in North
Korea the cyber security community in
the United States were
attacked uh and but we have also the
K-pop South Korean K-pop and we are we
have also the South Korean Gamers but
behind you know those people they are
politics and Sun is going to explain uh
what's behind it
so um you have to know that the United
States of America have a huge power on
Korea Peninsula so on those pictures we
can see Trump and Kim Jong-un and the
South Korean president so can you tell
us uh about those picture s
please so uh that was I remember that
was uh
2018 just right after the after the uh
no not right after but uh um the after
the uh the uh United team team uh during
the uh Winter Olympic game uh in pong
Chang uh and the uh there was the summit
uh between two uh between two Korea
leader and they agreed so just between
North and South Korean prisons they
agreed for the uh end of the war because
you know in Korea we are still in the
war but just you know we are we are uh
getting some polls so uh and uh so
that's why you know around the frontier
there are so many you know
military military uh unities units and
and this impossibility to go and come so
uh and um but in
2018 so uh two countries uh try to end
this war H but unfortunately we have we
uh we need agreement of United States
presidents uh so uh for this uh contract
or to sign up so Trump uh s the former
president uh of USA uh decide May some
good mood for that to sign that so but
just right before the meeting in uh
Singapore uh he changed mind so they
they couldn't sign the on the paper so
we just you know signing on a paper you
know that was North Korea uh had had
this plan to open their door to the
world and remove all the you know uh
militaries around the DMZ or Frontier
but we couldn't do that because uh of
the uh
United uh States President uh a
changeing mind so that's what happened
in uh 20
2018 so okay so as you see we need only
one signature from the US president to
have peace in Korea so the question will
Biden sign the peace agreement we don't
know but we would like it you know so
you talk about uh like the military
power of North Korea can you tell us
about like this tradition before every
election in South Korea that
um so the missiles so North Korea sent
missiles before every election in South
Korea can you tell us more s about it
yeah it becomes like almost you
mentioned the tradition but yeah this is
a silly thing but you know uh for South
Korea and and more for the uh old
generation the communist or communist
government is still main enemy so they
like to use in politics so just right
before the important uh election like a
presidential election or election uh for
Deputy a they call North Korean
government to Launch or to start some uh
experimental uh uh lunch of missiles so
uh everyone uh those most of young
people know about this details but it
still works for all
generations and we are right now even
right now we are just uh several days
before the uh election day and it was a
I remember it was last week or two weeks
ago there was a a launch of another
missile in North
Korea so it's like fireworks you know
you are now used of it it's still
working it's uh
crazy okay so about South Korea now we
all know Samsung and the trible power
but I didn't know that South Korea was
making an artificial sun so that could
be like an answer for the climate change
maybe yeah uh I've I've known this uh
this news from the newspaper and I read
some article about that on that so uh
Korean scientist succeeded this
artificial sun uh for uh more than 20
around 20 seconds so that was the first
time in the world that an artificial sun
last that long so that that was a that
is a really good sign for um for the new
energy to make energy because actual
nuclear power plant it makes a lot of
you know uh a lot of the the waste and
it's contagious and is very uh dangerous
because of of this possibility of
explosion but uh in but in this making
Sunway so making the uh the Sun the
artificial with this technique uh it
doesn't it doesn't produce any uh danger
or waste nuclear waste so it can be
really uh a good chance to have the
clean
energy no so that's great and um you
know uh South Korea is very uh is very
interested by you know preserving the
biodiversity as we could see at the DM
set you know the the South Korean
government asked the UNESCO to preserve
this border as it is now with all these
animals and all the plants and um uh
because it's
Easter uh Easter weekend so every April
5th in South Korea there's a national
event called Shing mugil so and it's
very it's an ecological movement so can
you tell us uh what is it exactly Shing
mongil
s it's just simply a planting day so you
plant everywhere but uh so I remember
when I was a kid you you know um the in
the school in the school that we went to
the mountain and uh practicing this
planting uh the the trees uh and the and
the Korean government is also um uh uh
helping uh in Mongolia uh because you
know in Mongolia there's some uh some
the the dessert is uh expanding so and
it uh it influ influence it makes you
know uh the very huge dust wind and it
reaches to Korea until Korea So Korea
Government went to uh Mongol uh to uh
plant uh more
trees okay so Shing Gil you know uh
become a national day after the Korean
War
okay because we uh there were not enough
uh trees in the mountains so they asked
the population to participate in this um
National effort and now we have a very
nice
forest and nice B
Forest yeah that's true but oh
sorry because you know that that when uh
the Korea Korean people start this Shing
day day uh you know when I see when I uh
see the all the really all the
photography of the uh uh uh of the uh
landscape in in Korea uh for example
like uh and uh around the end of The
Chosen Dynasty you know every Mountain
was you know no tree you know it was
like just you know some hill we can see
but now uh in South in Korea is
everywhere is covered by trees and so uh
now we even talk a little bit uh less
about this even uh this uh uh planting
day because you know now we have enough
trees I
think okay and people love hiking you
know so uh thank you you know for
listening if you would like to join our
art movement to get a peace agreement in
Korea we would love to hear from you so
you can either write to us either write
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pleased to give you some information
about our
country and uh we'd like to hear your
questions thank you thank
you yes thank you very much uh for your
presentation um information for the uh
people on the stream if you have any
questions uh then you please write them
into the questions pad the link to the
questions pad um is on the talk side um
it's a bit hidden between your two bios
but it is there I can see it from here
uh so click the link and put your
questions uh there and and uh we can
start uh now with the first question
that has been there for almost all of
the talk maybe uh you can answer that
individually um did you ever cross
border uh no no I did my military
service uh for two years and uh I've
been uh I did some training a military
training inside of DMZ but you know it's
a highly you know prohibited and it's
secured by uh lot of you know military
troops so it's uh it's really difficult
but you know you can you can reach it to
uh some touristic
sites I did not cross the border yet so
but I hope one day I
will and but also but uh you know uh
there recently it was just uh last year
the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un
mentioned that was for the first time by
an uh by a Korean by a North Korean
leader he mentioned beloved South Korean
he used love which means he has this
will to uh to open it's not it's not we
are not talking about about we are not
yet talking about the uh reunification
but at least you know ending war and we
just you know cross the border it need
just the signature signing by uh
American
Presidents okay let's see so there is
the next question is a longer one I hope
that
I I get it all so um how can we explain
the discrepancy between Western media
perspective that focuses on the DMZ and
the gangwa peace Observatory where
Koreans sent wishes for Unity of Korea
uh which perspective is more Korean DMZ
or
gangwa uh can you can
you there was several details can can
you repeat again please yes um
how can we explain the discrepancy
between the Western media perspective
that focuses on the
DMZ and the ganga peace Observatory
where Koreans send wishes for Unity of
Korea
um well uh about yeah about the DMD or
future about the of the of DMZ uh two
two uh governments has has had this uh
plan to preserve the DMZ as it is and uh
uh try to develop the uh the touristic
site or uh the research research
facilities but uh in minimum way and uh
but and also from the uh from uh many
count uh the the researchers come coming
uh coming to uh DMD side to uh to uh do
some research already but uh it's not
the DMZ is not uh the an issue um I mean
well-known issue is not not yet in
Western Country I
think yes I think the um uh the question
answer bit uh about maybe also uh
where's the difference between how
Koreans I mean you as a South Korean
have a South Korean perspective and how
uh the Western media looks at it I mean
for for myself I I basically know that
the DMZ exists and I uh through this
talk I learned a lot um but uh how is
the uh the Korean uh perspective maybe
different
no I think we are just focusing on the
uh the the that that land
untouched during more than 60 years so
absolutely we often say that absolutely
we make nothing
inside so that's the main idea and our
the South Korean government is uh
keeping and this idea for the future so
uh so there will be you know so many
researchers of the biology or some other
the scientist will rush to GMG in the
future if we finish the finish the
war and the thing is the DMZ you know is
controlled by the UN and the US you know
so that's why we all get this Western
perspective because it's the Western uh
Powers who who govern the dis place in a
way yeah the funny thing is you know
when uh South Korean government or some
uh uh some Association private
Association try to uh support uh some I
don't know some uh some food or some
materials to for North Korean people
they they need they need permission from
un to cross the border yeah and in many
time un denies because uh because you
know uh in United States policy they
they uh they uh forced to block the
North Korea in total way so it's even
not possible to help them yeah that's
the that's the actual
condition yeah and there uh you know the
question about crossing the DMC so there
this um woman Association which was
founded funded by an Korean American
woman and they managed to cross the DMZ
with other Korean American women but
they were American so they had you know
theorization by the UN and by the US
government but inside South Korea or
North Korea it's very difficult you know
to get um the authorizations so I think
that explains how this is this place the
DMZ is really an international hotspot
you know regulated by external
Powers so for the very last question um
I I guess you you heard that before but
uh the uh the asker is uh saying uh this
sounds like propaganda how do you feel
about
that the
propaganda from North Korea you
mean um I think it aims at South Korean
propaganda it doesn't say but it sounds
like it so ah yeah the the you mean the
last recent event
maybe um it's the rest of the question
yes I guess um they are aiming at that
because you know around the uh the
frontier in uh uh from from both both
side we put this you know huge speakers
to for the propaganda or some people uh
some people uh sand the balloons with
some you know uh propanda papers or some
cars uh from uh from both side but uh
recently uh with the political good mod
we stopped it for a long time but uh in
few years
ago uh in political way and we had a
different situation with the with former
president they um they restarted the
this uh this stupid actions but uh in
South Korea is some people very um
especially uh the refugee from North
Korea they have this Association
and they still continue to send
something to North Korea but you know
it's a very bad scene by the rest of the
Koreans South
Korean okay yeah it looks like game you
know now all those propaganda from North
Korea and South Korea it's it's becoming
a game you know the missile or the
balloons or the speakers you know just
um yeah of course there propaganda from
South Korea of course in in in a way an
art installation if you want yeah so
yeah yeah yeah
absolutely okay thank you very much
we've run out of time um I guess people
can contact you uh still um via email
and from the uh from from the from the
slides I think the contact is there um
thank you very much for your talk and
for the Q&A and um yes I wish everyone a
pleasant
event thank you very much very
much
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